That team is full of pussies. No wonder they are soft as ****. It starts with the HC and QB though.

They've been talking him up for a while now. I haven't watched UNC play since Nicks was there.

He played Really well last year in a new system under Larry Fedora. He should be even better this year. He wont have Gio Bernard to cater to. They have a fairly easy road to the ACC, with their toughest games in my opinions being at home, and a LOT of talent on offense. I LOVE his skill set. He has a huge arm too.

They'll never get it done with Choke-a-ton at the helm.

^ This

Bridgewater will battle Clowney for the first overall pick according to the NFL philosophy guy on twitter.

FWIW, Bridgewater is legit. He's a legit early first round prospect.

That's because Logan Thomas is hot garbage. QBs that can't complete 60 percent of their passes against NCAA competition - especially when that comp is the weak-as-eff ACC - just don't do anything for me.

You KNOW the 2014 class is going to be evaluated as being better, if for no reason other than the guys in it won't be compared to the Luck/RG3/Wilson QB class.

I'm with you on all those guys, though.

As bad as it sucked and we wished it weren't true, it's pretty obvious now that the 2013 QB class mas just meh.

While I think there is probably a little of overeval going on, it was just a bad class.

My money is on Bridgewater becoming this season's Geno for this board. When we pass on him the meltdown will be expected and then the following year it will be all Manziel with similar results.

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There are going to be a couple of QBs worthy of top 10 picks next draft. Clowney might be the best player but Bridgewater will be 1st pick.

Not here. Bridgewater and Manziel can ****ing suck it, as can everyone else in the 2014 class. And if that idiot Mayock "bangs the table" for either, it just proves that he is an intellectually dishonest tool with an agenda.

Teddy was pimped by Cockmon...he is doomed.

The only film of Bridgewater I've semi-broken down was the game against UConn and that was to really watch Trevardo Williams.

I didn't see anything there that made me think he was an elite prospect.

Go watch flim and just focus on McCarron. You will be surprised he is a lot better quarterback than we all thought.
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I do like his placement/loft/velocity on the flag/corner/7 routes against Bama.

They ruined that team with smash concepts. ROFL.

Haven't we established that this NFL Philosophy guy is a complete idiot?

Bridgewater isn't close to what Geno offered in terms of physical attributes, performance against level of competition and overall skill set.

The guys that offer the best potential, IMO, are Chuckie Keeton of Utah State and Marcus Mariota of Oregon. Those two guys are absolute studs and I'd take either one over any of the guys that are getting pub right now. Both will probably stay in school another year, though Mariota is a red shirt junior this next season.

Anyone that would take Bridgewater over Clowney should be fired immediately, the franchise taken away and publically drawn and quartered by an angry Brazilian soccer mob.

Dude from North Carolina will be a top 3 QB

BUt Teddy B is a LEADER!!!!!

Yep. I really like him.

Bryn Renner is meh. I just haven't seen it from that kid. I think it's similar to the Mike Glennon situation, where he LOOKS like what a lot of teams look for (Height/arm strength) but doesn't really translate it to the field. Also, he was draft eligible in 2013. If he didn't jump into THAT QB class, how good is the guy, really (if you buy into the narrative that the 2013 QB class was awful, guys who could have been in it and passed must have something wrong with them. Right?)

Also, general note... CoMOChief has given his personal (dreaded) stamp of approval to Aaron Murray. So we can all mark him off the list. Dude will be an epic disaster in the NFL.

So what you're saying then is any comparison between him and Colin is worthless since we only have 8 regular season games of data on Colin?

The talent surrounding him, ironically, sets up the possibility of underrating McCarron.

Aaaaaaaaaaaand there's all the endorsement I need to know 2014 is pure garbages.

I see you've finished blowing the prison guards.

The only way you could possibly get so much time on the Internet.

This is a playoff team IMO

McCarron is a smart, accurate guy who is really effective as long as he isn't asked to push the ball downfield into tight windows. He doesn't have the arm strength or inclination to really do that...

Why does this sound familiar? :hmmm:

Yep.

My opinion is that he's probably not just the usual Alabama QB that we've grown accustomed to during Saban's tenure. He does the same things, because he's coached to, but he's capable of a lot more.

Ok.

What's up guys? I came on your board to see the reaction to Alex Smith's comments about the Chiefs offense.

Been a niners fan since '92, so I think I can give you some insight into what you're getting.

Postives:

He's the consumate professional. He will never throw anybody under the bus.

He's smart with the football, he doesn't force throws or throw a lot of picks. Takes what the D gives him.

He's pretty decent pre-snap in terms of getting into the right play.

He' accurate throwing to the middle of the field.

He's tough as nails. He'll take a hit and keep on going.

He's athletic. Not really fast but athletic.


Negatives:

He can be uber-tentative. He will not throw the ball deep unless the WR is WIDE OPEN. And even then he may not throw it.

He's not very accurate down the field or outside the numbers.

He's not very good at sliding in and around the pocket. If he gets any kind of pressure it's probably going to be a sack. He routinely took sacks as the starting QB of the niners.

He will not really win you a whole lot of games on his arm. There were several wins that we had where his stats were anemic.

He's just completely horrible on third down. We were one of the worst teams on third down with him behind center. He will routinely throw the ball short of the sticks on 3rd down.

He's also not very good in the Red Zone. In 2011-12 our kicker set a record for points in a season. He relies on the kicking game HEAVILY.

Summary:
He's a complimentary player. He's not going to go out there and throw for 300+ every week, or at all for that matter.

You need a strong running game, a capable TE, and a good defense/ST and he can thrive.

If you don't have consistency at ANY of those spots, he's going to struggle.

For me it really depends on what offense they are trying to run. If they come in thinking they're going to run an "Andy Reid offense" you're gonna win 5 games.

If they lean on Charles, and keep it simple I see 8-9 wins.

Smitty doesn't really use his receivers much. (He barely threw to Crabtree at all) So your TE (Moaki?) better be ready to go. Cause he's going to get a lot of looks.

All and all he's an upgrade over Matt Cassell. If nothing else for the time he spent under Harbaugh.

Good Luck guys!

Oh cool, another niner jackass coming in here spreading lies. Over the past two years, he targeted Crabtree more than Anyone else. Besides Crabtree who was he supposed to be throwing to? Vernon Davis is a top 5 tight end in the league. IN 2011, he targeted Crabtree, 121 times, he only targeted Vernon Davis, and DELANIE WALKER, 107 times total.

SO you were saying?

Oh, and another thing. Yes, the 49ers were horrible on third down with alex smith. The funny thing is, they weren't that much better with Kaep on third down....and he completely ignored Vernon Davis until the playoffs. So, whats the effing difference. So, as you were.

He said some fair things, but yeah, you could tell that he is still holding onto an outdated outlook on Alex in some regards.

Tattoo Boy was shit on 3rd down too. Playcalling to protect the ball?

Ugh. This guy can't throw outside the hash marks, either?

That's only every QB we've ever had since Montana, it seems.

Thanks. It's good to hear this from a 49ers fan. Suspicions confirmed.

Can't stress enough how much our developing offense and playcalling was the largest issue for our RZ and 3rd down issues. Can't force people to accept this, however.

Guessing a lot of draws and screens then with both QBs on 3rd and long?

Bingo. Plenty were clever clear-outs over the middle... but unless the target gets above-and-beyond (unexpected) YAC? It's simply a way to garner better field position. Very cautious football. And in the RZ? 2 straight and obvious runs... then a QB rollout on 3rd down and frequent throw-away when targets are blanketed. There was an article posted a long while back that our coaches preferred and pushed for sacks + throw-aways VS forcing a turnover.

Pretty much coincides with what I saw when I watched the 9ers play under Harbaugh. The problem is the Madden Nation ballas/fantasy football dweebs won't hear anything of just how important and how many games are decided by turnover differential in today's game. Like the top 8 teams in the NFC in turnover differential had winning records.

I have 114 for the regular season. Good for 30th in the league.

Crabtree was an after thought in this offense. I don't think we utilized him well at all.

It was Run, Vernon, Run. Run, Screen pass, run. Then maaaybe a throw to Crab. I'm telling you man.

All those targets didn't amount to anything because Crab and Smitty never really got on the same page. More than a few of them were errant passes that either Crab had to grab and fall or just couldn't catch. You can target somebody all you want. But if there's no plays being made, then it doesn't really matter. There's a reason he turned into a 1,000 yard guy when Kaep came on.

All I know is in the NFCCG we had 1 completion to a WR and we were 1-13 on third down.

I'm sure some of his games are on Youtube. You can see what I'm talking about in real time.

Naw man. Not at all. He' come a LOOOOONG WAAAY. But there's some things he just doesn't do that well.

I've watched pretty much every game he'e ever played.

He's one of those guys where:

The best thing about him is you know exactly what you're going to get.

The worst thing about him? You know EXACTLY what you're going to get.

The cold hard stats are hard to accept for some...Alex Smith dislikes those wide receiver guys...

http://i.imgur.com/Nzuguy6.jpg

Completely agree. Many don't have the mental aptitude to appreciate turnover differentials and field position/situational football. 3rd and 17? Just chuck it up, who be caring? Football not funz unless you iz chucking up the rock all day!

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Our resident Alex Smith homer blames this on his lame receiver corps.

You know that might be part of it.

But at the same time I felt the first downs were there a lot of the time.

Like say it's 3 and 7. Smitty will throw 3 yards short of the marker.

Now, sometimes that's good and sometimes that's bad.

The point is he did every time no matter what.

So while I agree that Harbaugh's/Roman's overall philosophy is conservative. There times when the play-calling in games very, very, aggressive.

But I felt no matter if we were playing aggressive or conservative, Alex would inherently make the more conservative choice.

Shoot, if not for his legs, he probably would have been worse.

Are you factoring in the overall pass attempts? We throw the ball much less than most.

Your words here would have more substance if discussing Alex and Crabs further back in time. Alex and Crabs were getting a good rhythm building. Remember their last full game together vs AZ?

Alex leaned on VD more, because of their shared chemistry. Kaep came in and leaned on Crabtree more.. which was a detriment at times.

Still had Crab. Kyle Williams was good enough.

There were a couple plays that KW had EVERYBODY beat and Alex just couldn't make an accurate deep throw.

And it's not like we needed a 100 yard guy to win that game. We literally just needed an accurate throw past the sticks for a first down to somebody not named Vernon Davis.

I would call going from what happened last season to anywhere in the play-offs a success. The expectation is that they can grow on that. I don't think there has ever been a team in the NFL that has gone from last in the nfl to a championship game. If you set the bar there, you're setting yourself up for disappointment.

Wait...I thought you said 2012 wasn't enough to base any comparison on?

Agreed. You can look at 2011 too, when it was even worse.

2012 just shows what a real QB can do for your WR.

Thank you for this. Alex Smith homers have been spreading lies.

Bro. Im the biggest Alex Smith homer here. And, im also the guy who doesn't give KAEP, OR ALEX credit for Crabtrees breaking out. Crabtree, scored 3 tds, with alex smith in his last 5 quarters playing together between the Cards on Monday night, and the rams game. Crabtree, being at OTA's, Crabtree taking part in Training camp, and preseason, is why Crabtree became Crabtree. That had very little to do with the qbs. That was all on Crabtree.

114 is the target number for Crabtree in 2011. Of course its subject to web site, but the first one I pulled up, was espn's

There is no doubt that Kaepernick offers more to the 49ers offense than Alex Smith did. But, lets at least keep the stats realistic. Lets also remember, since you seem to know quite a bit about the 49ers, about the situation in 2011. You know, the lockout, the revolving door at receiver, Vernon Davis stating that until about week 10 he was so frustrated he wanted to quit because he didn't know the playbook.

Lockout, new coaching, rotating door at receiver, Adam Snyder, and Chilo Rachal at right guard.......

Any of this ring a bell at all?

I'm not setting the bar there. I'm looking a few years down the road.

I don't believe they can ever make a real playoff run with Alex Smith. Good enough to make the playoffs with Alex Smith doesn't mean anything to me, because I won't believe they can do anything once there with him at QB until he shows it to me.

Winning 21 games the next two years means much less to me than finding a QB they can win it all with down the road.

Fair enough. I guess I'm not in disagreement with your perspective of what is expected then, only in our assessments of what Alex can do. I think if the chiefs can make the play-offs this year, they have as much of an opportunity to make the big game as any team. I believe success breeds success and Alex has shown that he can be a part of turning a team around. He just can't do it alone. He's not Manning...but then again, no one is Manning.

By the way, another good read, but again I have linkage issues...

"arrowheadaddict.com/2013/07/22/analyzing-alex-smith-air-yards-completion-percentage-and-depth-of-targets/"

Im not taking any Blame from Alex Smith. He did throw short, at times. But, he didn't do it every time. There also, and I don't know if this was a coach cover up, Greg Roman himself, said they encouraged Alex Smith to take a sack at times instead of forcing a turnover. Called it, a "good sack"

actually, we needed Kyle Williams to hold onto the ball. He fumbled the ball on the second play of the game, remember the jet sweep that we always ran with Ginn, but because he was hurt they ran it with Williams, and he fumbled that too, which set us up with one of those SWEET 3rd and longs that weren't completed. He nearly muffed another punt when he went diving for it. And he did have two costly turnovers.

So what if the Chiefs make the playoffs, and win a playoff game?

You make a good point. Lemme ask you this. Who's your best pass catcher?

Dwayne Bowe. The best receiver Alex Smith has ever played with. Should be a good combo.

Bowe will rape in Reid's system

I'd be so happy for this fan base. But let's be honest.

And I'm not trying to be a dick here:

He's not surrounded by pro-bowlers everywhere he looks like he was in SF.

It's going to be an uphill battle. You've got a complimentary Qb with nobody to compliment.

ROFL Yeah, he only has 8. **** excuses, he has plenty of talent to succeed. It's on him if he doesn't.

At the point of last year? or years ago? Because Crabtree was troubling in prior years (before Harbaugh regime) Remember how many accurate passes bounced off of Crabtree's hands or off his shoulder (as he turned to look downfield as the ball was arriving) and were INTs?

Anyway... natural hands winner now goes to Crabtree. He was good lately at plucking the underneath passes that he squared up with. On go routes, all of our guys had issues with catching them over the shoulder and stretching out.

We all know VD didn't have... doesn't have.. natural catch-hands. But he would surprise us at times.. and he improved this area with extreme practice over the years.

Alex looked to VD more often... Kaep looked to Crabtree often... That's just how it was. The Alex and Crabs connection was improving nicely though... just as the Kaep to VD connection was heating up in the postseason.

Sadly...yes

You guys have 8 pro-bowlers on offense?!

An above average O-line, Top 3 HB, and elite WR...yeah absolutely no talent to work with

I'd be shocked if Alex doesn't succeed. I look at it in reverse. I know what we'll be getting from Alex. What I don't know is how quickly KC players will pick up the new coaching and gel together.

Alex won't be the most dynamic QB around... but if your team is strong, then you should expect a successful season.

Ok. Just one on offesne. I was like WTF?! Where have I been?!

But you need more than one running back. Moaki is the key.

That's more than what he had in SF on offense. Although, I'd argue the SF defense was better. That said, how far into the play-offs did they make it that year?


Oh yeah...1 fumble away from a superbowl.

I don't give a **** about pro bowl players.

We know Bowe can play.

He is much better than Crabtree.

Alex Smith reminds me of stone soup.

You can make soup from this stone! You know what would go great with it? Some carrots...oh and some potatoes...and some beef...and a little cream...and some garlic! Hey look we made some pretty good soup!

You can make a good team from Alex Smith...you know what would go great with Alex Smith? A #1 defense! And a really great offensive line and running game, and some good receivers and top notch coaching!

Hey look! We made a good team from Alex Smith!

"This is a wonderful QB," said the homer.

"Indeed, but it's a most wonderful QB!" said the second homer.

"Yes, it is," said Maverick91579, "and it will make a good team forever, provided you follow the formula we used today."

Only when your starting RB is extremely small or older. Does it help? Sure, but the world isn't going to end.

Alex Smith is the key. TEs don't "make" QBs.

If that stone gets you to the play-offs and beyond, who cares?

I think this is all about Andy Reid. IMO.

I don't know where his head's at. It didn't seem to me like he took enough time to be with his family.

It was crazy to me that he took the job THAT QUICKLY in a year in which he lost his son.

Part of me thinks he just wants to keep going. I can understand that.

I just hope he's taken the time to grieve. Because if not, if he's doing this because he just doesn't want to think about it and he wants to distract himself, this will be a disaster.

I'm not saying he doesn't legitimately think he can fix the chiefs.

I just hope he's in a good place mentally and emotionally, because this isn't going to be easy.

Throw in some delicious New Orleans Saints defense! Yum! This soup is so tasty! I love Alex Smith soup!

I mean he relies on the TE heavily. So you're going to need one. Maybe 2.

Saints defense?

Obviously, I don't watch Chiefs games. No hate.

I know you guys have stand-outs on d. Hali, Berry, etc.

How's the d as a unit?

Bullshit. If this team fails, it is on Alex.