Of course. Thats the point. Its all a team win or loss. But the people fighting for the team loss recognition now, mostly are the same ones who were screaming Defense only on the wins.

THE KANSAS CITY CHIEFS LOST!

Every single member of that team is done for the year, even in Fantasy football.

Now, Alex Smith had a masterful game and deserves an extension. I am glad he is our QB.

And likewise the same ones that are saying 4 td's 0 INT's 400 total yards were the ones bitching because when Alex wasn't putting up numbers because this isn't "Fantasy Football" and W's is all that matters.

What was the score, when the fumble occured?

great post, dude... THIS was my point.

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/...t_2199037b.jpg

38-10 or 38-17, I think. It seemed to be the play that caused the momentum to swing IMO.

I think we are on the same side of this arguement.

Without question IMO. It fed the fire, like throwing a 5 gal can of race fuel on it.

When Luck recovered the fumble and scored the TD, I turned to my friend and said, "We're going to lose this game".

I think any turnover is a momentum changer.

The D gave up 5 TD's in what 20 minutes of football.

I just don't get how that is ok.

I don't really even blame the players on D.

Good teams need to win those kind of games.

I can't be the only one that thinks the Coaches failed the most, I just can't be.

Mostly I'm just still sick about it, we should be talking about the patriots.

Not about this.

Still beating that horse huh?

Every time I make a point, that's what you go back to. I couldn't care less what you think of me. You have always been the type that you wont listen to anyones opinion if they are an outsider, especially if they try to give you advice on Alex Smith. This is no different. You used stats. People who have watched him for YEARS tried to tell you what you were missing.

"Troll Troll Troll, LALALALA, I CANT HEAR YOU, TROLL."

And its funny. It has always been about the same thing with you.

You flop between getting outraged for dare saying anything about the Chiefs, and then have the AUDACITY to get mad when you try to tell someone about Alex Smith when he was the 49ers.

How does that work exactly?

Because your stats tell you so?

Well, according to stats, Alex Smith is a better qb than Colin Kaepernick.

Now, I don't necessarily agree with that. But, I understand the difference in offensive philosophies from the two coaches.

But, hey. Keep that link on speed dial bro.

That's all you got. I had a meltdown, going through one of the roughest times of my life, and I got my medicine, ate it, and came back a better person, and poster because of it.

But please. Keep going back to ol reliable. Just shows how desperate you are bro.

Well if you are on the side that both sides use the same arguements, agreed :D Same for the Geno thing. If Geno/Jets did what happened Sat the Geno haters are focusing on the fumble and 6 points in the last 6 possessions and labeling him a choke artist that can't handle adversity.

Not really. That one seemed to be what triggered the rally. The crowd got loud, the Colts confidence picked up a notch etc... That's the point in game where the boat sprung a leak that was never able to be plugged.(No, I'm not pinning the loss all on Alex for that play)

There's no such thing as "momentum" in a football game. One team starts making more good plays and another team makes bad plays. There's no magical momentum.

We just tried to move with the goal posts man.

When we were winning, people bitched about Alex Smith. CANT WIN WITH HIM ONLY PUTTING UP 200 YARDS!!!

"He went a whole month without a td!"

It is what it is.

In all honesty. Too many missed opportunities on both sides of the ball.

Too many injuries, bad clock management, and while some say coaching, im not going that far. Unless Andy was in Alex's ear going, HURRY UP, HURRY UP, then Alex should have known to slow the game down.

The fumble was a killer by Alex. The miss to Cyrus Gray. Regrettable.

Honestly. We are almost a week removed from it, and im over it.

Now its time to get better, look forward, and never look back.

This season we saw that the Defense can be dominant, and that the offense if need be, can be reliable. And of course there is the special teams.

Need to put it all together going into next season.

That is complete bullshit. Emotions are quite real and how emotions effect performance is quite real.

WTF? emotionally, yeah if a team scores/makes a game changing it will spike an enthusiasm that'll help them fight on, or on the other side of the coin for the opposition it will either strike doubt or intiative to fight back.

see the bold pisses me off.


im SURE YOU and all the rest of the niners fans are over OUR team losing in the playoffs AGAIN.

its easy when you are fans of whatever team is winning.


its not easy for people who have loved this team their whole life.

**** all you guys.

seriously

It's not ok.

I can't even comprehend it, even after letting the game soak in. This team needs a leader, a leader who doesn't smoke pot, a punisher, someone the rest of the D can follow, a leader who doesn't have that ****ed up "Ho Hum, we lost, we'll get better" stupid ****ing look on their face during the after game interview. :cuss:

Does Todd Haley have a head yell at the players coach we can steal?

Emotions? Sure, you get excited when you make a good play or there's a turnover.

But emotions don't make one team magically better than th opposing team. "Momentum" comes when one team starts playing like shit and the other playing well

This place is a broken ****ing record.

So when we scored to make it 38-10, the colts had a lot of doubt and no momentum? What happened?

they kept playing


and started scoring more

That's just so silly I can't even imagine someone would post that, that ever played football. There is a definite change in intensity levels and confidence that goes with having momentum or the other team having it.

One guy game out and made a game changing play that got the momentum and belief they could win back for his team.

Yep. That fumble gave Indy the ball at the 41... and they drove down and scored a TD on our D, making it 38-24. Then, Luck was picked off soon after, and the KC offense put up a FG to get back that "magical momentum" with a 41-24 lead with just over 4 minutes left in Q3.

Then the KC D shit themselves two more times on TD drives allowed... getting them to within 3 points. Then the KC offense put up a 5+ minute drive, and took back the lead 44-38.. obviously forcing Indy to score a TD with 5 minutes left in the game. And of course, the KC D allowed them to.

:eek:

Did you play football... or competitive sports.. or even soccer??

Mathis happened he made a play with the strip sack, and then they took the bull by the horns and fought back like a mother****er, and like Tamba and DJ said "we let up" on defense.

Sure.

I used to fully believe in the whole momentum argument and there's things there that are unquantifiable ie emotions or whatever.

But if all it took was one play from the colts (the fumble) to completely change the course of the game, mentally, we need to cut every player on our roster.

"I'm gonna play harder and with more emotion" doesn't automatically mean I'm going to beat the guy across from me.

**** this is going to be a long off season.

I am not sure what it takes to get someone to understand you score 44 points and you have a 28 point lead in the 3rd quarter you should never ever lose a football game giving up 35 points in less than a half.

So what is your explanation for home field advantages in the NFL? Familarity with the playing surface?

Just may be in the top 10 dumbest statements I have read on this place in just over 9 years here.

Bottom line of this specific issue is this: Though the Smith fumble and subsequent TD score gave Indy some momentum back, Luck's following INT and our offense scoring a FG nipped that momentum. This excuse (or possible excuse) of "Smith gave Indy all the momentum and that's why we lost!" is clear horseshit.

... and now, people will say that they were not saying that at all... but of course, the passive suggestion exists.

Why would that piss you off? I said I was over it.

Yeah, whatever team is winning. That's why I spent sunday with my wife rooting for the 49ers to lose. Got rid of all of my 49er gear. Yes, so yes, I came here in the offseason, you know, before Alex Smith was ever even traded for, just when it was rumored, stuck with this team all year, and now, JUST NOW, im a fan of a winning team.

Okay cool.

Um, how do you explain my Cleveland Browns infatuation then?

Did they win something that I WAS unaware of? Except they have proven to be the worst franchise in all of sports.

Its okay that YOU aren't over it.

I didn't say, YOU had to be.

I said I am over it.

It was a lot easier for me to get over it, when I realized just how many people the Chiefs lost in that game. Of course the way they lost sucked. But in All honesty, is anyone really surprised?

You lose three pro bowlers, your back up rb, your second receiver, your number one overall pick is too hurt to play, and not like it would of mattered if he did.

That's what helped me.

Come on Jason. You know I meant no disrespect, and for you to claim that anyone who came here because of winning, that's ABSURD.

I agree. Emotions play a huge role..especially on defenses, imo. With that said, one big play can send the balance back and forth very quickly. So it wasn't just one big play that changed the swing of the game...it was a lucky play here, a big break there, a good play there...things added up. Not to mention all the Chief players going down like flies.

So you think that the 6th regular season loss should be mentioned in a conversation about Smith's record this year when he didn't even play in the game? Why would you do that?

Who doesn't mention it? People mention it all the time. What bearing does it have on the conversation of Smith's play? Guy played great. Period. People want to rip him for the second half - ok. I still think he played great. What throws did he miss? The one to Gray? Yeah, I guess, even though Cyrus himself said he slowed down during the route because he couldn't find the ball. Is Smith supposed to somehow slow down the ball - in flight?

The grounding penalty only cost the team an extra 2 yards. It was a designed screen and when Albert misses the cut block the defender is standing directly in the throwing lane for the only receiver that is looking for the ball - everyone else is blocking. I can't put that on Smith. What should he have done? Eat the ball - ok, that would have saved 2 yards, but they damn near didn't call the penalty, so it nearly saved 8.

The fumble - I don't know a QB that wouldn't have fumbled the ball on that play. The guy is known for doing that to QB's all year, but your right, that is on Smith.

These are the plays people keep bringing up over and over... what else, cause if this is it, there's not much here at all to complain about. The playbook in the second half went conservative because it was basically, a just don't screw this thing up half - not to mention they are playing with their 3rd string RB and 3string WR.

I'm not ignoring anything. Bring up any play you want, and we can look at it. You guys just keep bringing up the same 3 plays.

What does momentum have todo with homefield advantage?

no. one I didn't claim anyone came here for winning.

thye came here because of smith, but they can go back to a team that has been consistently winning for years and drown their sorrows over the chiefs that none of them gave a **** about in the first place.

Noise maybe?

and like I said its easy to get over something you have only had a interest in for a little while.

not so easy when its been there through your whole life.

it would be like the guy who started dating your mom a week prior to her death.

im sure in a month he would have forgotten it, but would you?

Sort of. The noise provides energy to the team after making good plays. It's an emotional thing that makes it easier to run with momentum.

There is a reason you often here coaches and players about keeping crowds out of the game or getting them involved. If inflating to the home team and deflating to the visiting team once you get them involved and seize momentum of the game.

Knowing where the bathrooms are

If she gave really good hummers, I'd still send you xmas cards

On a roll...

Until you realize that we got the ball in that inside their 30 (unless I'm remembering incorrectly). For all intents and purposes, that was a huge win for their defense as they stopped KC in three plays setting up that FG.

Is there such a thing a bad hummer?

Noise may do that too..but that's not the real reason that noice is a factor.

Why yes, yes there is.

Disagree. I think you're assuming every crowd in the NFL has the ability to drown out an offense with sound. That is true in KC and many other NFL stadiums, but certainly not all. Yet home field is still an advantage.

Yes.

I ever tell you about the worst one I ever got?

It was great

Exactly, the worst one was pretty ****ing good.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...fect-nfl-games

I'm not saying that it doesn't have an impact simply on an emotional level...but I do think that it larger impact on making it difficult on the offense...to varying degrees depending on the field. Certainly some teams have a big advantage than others...but to say that it doesnt for all teams doesn't mean that it doesnt.

My question to you, please name the team that consistently does well but does not benefit from the loudness of their stadium.

you wouldn't have found that out a week in with my mom...

And you don't get xmas cards from me, do you...

Used to date a girl who would change your tune after just one, she was a total freak up for anything... but would nearly bring you to tears with her bj's.

"AAAHHH ok thats enough, lets get those pants off..."

I was wondering, I get one every year from someone that I never knew...

Braces or unaware of just how sharp her teeth were?

i say lets win a playoff game first

Yea I had tryst with a freaky chick one night that I thought was going to literally suck my junk off my body. Wasn't fun.

Sad... as a happily married man, even this sounds pretty good. Love my wife, but BJ's are now usually reserved for birthdays only. Don't get married single guys. That's my advice! :(

No braces, normal size teeth... she simply couldnt keep from grating you for whatever reason, she didnt mind giving them at all, it wasnt some ploy to get out of it.

She just sucked at sucking.

Let me know when that happens, it won't be within the next 2 years if Peyton is healthy its the broncos division.

Or, he can win one next year then another the following.

Smith on "Between the Lines"
 

Anyone hear the interview with Smith on "Between the Lines" speaking about his possible contract extension?

Paraphrasing Smith: "I think there is a fair number for everybody. I feel like I have a different mindset on contracts than some of these other QB's (referencing Flacco, Cutler). It's a two-way street, I'm not trying to break the bank. The team comes first before everything - that's something I take very seriously, I'm not just saying it. As a QB I benefit the most from the guys around me." Honest truth, I still feel like my best football is ahead of me, I still feel like I'm just scratching the surface. I'm not looking for greener pastures, I love it here."

This is the kind of stuff that makes people who support Smith, really love the guy. I've never seen a player like this. Plays balls out and everyone is talking about the possibility of a huge extension and he goes on the record and says this right up front. He renegotiated his contract in SF because he wanted to stay due to the fact that he felt he had "unfinished business". Later he organized practices in the lock-out year when he wasn't even under a contract with the niners and had only a couple of phone calls with brand new coach Jim Harbaugh. Lost his job when he was one of the top rated QB's in the league and instead of being a locker room cancer, mentors his replacement all they way up to and through the superbowl.

This dude is unreal. My kid is a fan and I couldn't ask for a better role model for him.

And THAT is why I think we won't break the bank on him. What I have been saying all along is that he will sign a reasonable deal that doesn't hurt the Chiefs. Going on record like that will help get this thing done sooner rather than later.

I can appreciate that out of Alex Smith good for him.

Not necessarily to you. But maybe this will help people understand why someone like me, likes this guy so much.

I personally think he's going to sign an extension that gives Dorsey the cap space to make the team better so it can win.

In doing so, he'll publicly be putting the team first and lead by example.

And it should cause some other guys to restructure their contracts for the betterment of the team.

I wasn't on it when it went down but now I'm on the Alex Smith train.

Sounds awesome.....but don't fault me for being skeptical until he proves it.

A few of us were talking about this the other day.

If Alex signs a deal similar to what Tom Brady did last year (about 11 per year) it absolutely would influence other guys to help the team keep room to continue to build this roster into a superbowl team.

Hali, Flowers, Bowe and Berry would probably feel the heat to restructure to free up some space to fill some holes.

Goes without saying that he is our QB of the immediate future. He's got 5 years of great play in him. Now we need a TE and some receivers that can actually get some separation, and we'll have a pretty damn good offense! Defense we just need to add more depth and get some help at safety and corner (Shaun smith might need to go).

Honestly, this team is close to being the type of Contender that competes year in year out.

No way that ANYONE would bash Geno after a PO performance like that.

A blindside strip sack from the current NFL MASTER of the blindside strip sack.

If Geno did what Alex did in that PO game I would be FURIOUS that we didnt use the 1.1 on him.

And there is not a damn soul that would be on his ass about getting blindsided by the DPOY.

Damn that is awesome to hear. Just awesome. Looks like the guy sees the big picture and I believe he is actually right when he says his best football in front of him.
He has done nothing but improve with his last game being the best of his career.
He is gonna get more weapons and continue to improve.
I actually think he has a CHANCE of being a franchise QB.

Good read ---- and I"m on board with Alex

We'll see how he does with a tougher schedule against possible scoring barn burners with Franchise/Elite QBs. I'm not talking about "good enough", it's all about him not choking when it's all on the line.

I agree

Are you new here?

A lot of the failure or success is going to depend on upgrading the offense and getting a damn free safety.

It's sad to say.....but this defense needs to be upgraded more than the offense, IMO.

We've got DEs that are good against the run but can't rush the passer.
No depth behind Houston and Hali.
No FS who is worth a shit.
And add all of that in to the fact that we have a defensive coordinator who won't make adjustments and won't rotate in the depth he has.