Yep. I've been pointing out for 2-3 years the trend in the NFL of size difference of WR to CB ratio and that the Chiefs needed to be looking for his replacement.

Look, He has always been a good guy and played best to his abilities. But, now he wants to use injuries as an excuse for last year but yet every year T.C. Rolls around some type of injury always came up out of nowhere.

This guy should really just shut his yap... why be shocked at the timing, they wanted to see how Cooper and Parker looked in OTA's before making a decision.

Well, bye, Brandon... don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya.

Stop it. You're raining on the rebuild parade.

I think that was the "last straw" that day. Had the Chiefs not suffered a rash of injuries, they win regardless. You're right in that the play of the Secondary did get worse when he went out though. Of course had Sutton just pulled Lewis, the Chiefs still might have won even with Flowers going down. That was one weird game, almost too weird and for the Chiefs to have lost it, it all had to happen exactly as it did. Change 1 weird element, and KC wins...

Back to the current - I think Brandon is still a Chief if he had the same contract he has with SD. As it was, it was impossible to justify keeping him. I totally understand the move, if KC uses his cap savings to sign Houston or Smith. I also think the Chiefs are worse without him, at least short-term, but that seems to be the plan at several positions this season.

Thanks Chiefs. Much appreciated. My team is the walking wounded and Flowers played great.




Brandon Flowers - 6 tackles (6 solo), 1 tackle for loss, 1 defended pass, 1 interception

Isn't this the guy with a groin so hurt that he couldn't play last week?

Brandon Flowers played a perfect game against the Jaguars. Not good, not great, but perfect. Against the run, he was perfect. Against the pass, he was perfect.

According to PFF, Flowers was thrown at four times all game long. He gave up 2 catches for 3 yards, and had a beautiful interception when Blake Bortles stared down his receiver.



Brandon Flowers, CB: +5.2

Breakdown: Flowers highlighted his day with a clean pick of a Bortles pass midway through the third quarter, but equally impressive was his habit for bringing down receivers on routes running under the defense. Three times he came up with tackles that limited the Jags to, at most, short gains.

Signature Stat: With back-to-back outstanding days in coverage – grading higher in each of his past two games than he has since the middle of 2011 — Flowers is proving quite the addition to San Diego’s secondary.

Still better than our poverty corners as predicted.

Yep, glad we let THAT one go to make room for the journeyman!

Flowers is going to mud-stomp KC's ass.

We haven't really missed him tbh.

I was going to bump this thread too. Yes, Flowers looks like the Flowers of old now that he's in SD. The guy is playing great and the city is enamored with him.

The people claiming Flowers was done just look like idiots at this point. Nothing new for CP i guess.

This.

Owens has filled in nicely in place of Flowers

How? He's already missed a game with a leg injury which are the injuries he was having problems with here. And he had a great game against a rookie QB on the worst team in the league.

Don't know why this invalidates anyones opinion. At the salary he was going to make, I don't think you can make a good argument that we should have kept him.

I agree that the Chiefs couldn't keep him at his salary, which is why im not too upset that he's not a Chief. My comment was regarding those who said Flowers was washed up when he clearly wasn't.

And Flowers has been playing well since the preseason for them. Not just one game. He's looked good out there. He's looked like the Flowers that we grew to respect. Again, San Diego can't stop talking about the guy.

I know why we cut Flowers and I understand that teams have to make those determinations all the time.

I just didn't like the timing of it coming during an offseason of not re-signing anybody, not signing anybody, and coming off of last year with a secondary that sucks dick.

They could have kept him. They had him on the team. They cut him and Tynes II and used the money on Alex...

Eh, he wasn't worth his cap number ($10.5M) and wouldn't/didn't take a pay cut to play for the Chiefs at Chargers money ($3M).

Nothing that could have been done.

Yeah, the Flowers of old. Dinged up and always on the injury report. 1 INT against a rookie QB who has now thrown 4 INTs in 1 and a half games, and people are proclaiming that Flowers is great again. ROFL Only on CP.

Only on CP would an idiot like you make claims with out actually watching the player. Judging by your post, you haven't been watching the Chargers....at all.

Anyway....

Interceptions:

Brandon Flowers: 1

Chiefs entire secondary: 0

I'd love the guy too if I were paying him what the Chargers were playing him and putting him on a defense that is usually going to be playing with a lead and making the opposition one dimensional. He's still a good player, just not worth the money he was getting under the Pioli extension.

Will be interesting to see what he does get this offseason though. Playing with Rivers might make him some dough...

I wish we would have kept him but not at that price.

Given Flower's career track this means he has 1 - 2 INT's left in the tank for the rest of the season unless like last year he gets 1 again.

And its not like people don't throw his direction.

His best asset is his tackling on screens and run plays. He is too small to play safety but that's closer to what his skill set is.

Chargers fans are already wondering if we are going to pay Flowers next season. He will get back into the $10 mil a year range if he keeps ballin like he has been.

Caught an interview of his today on sportscenter, he's a super cool guy, but he really doesnt fit the new mold so I was good with his departure.

But still, eggo got a good guy on and off the field, I respect Flowers.

Shoot we may have won 41 to 10 with him

You're not blowing out the Eggo. Sorry.

:hmmm:

I'm fairly certain that comment was about last night's game.

You are correct. However, we would have had at least two more picks against that shitty, shitty receiving corps.

Guys. I'm sorry to bump this now, tough one today.

I just want to say he may not be worth $15 million a year, but he's worth so much more than we are paying him.

Also today was the most dominant performance I've ever seen by the Chargers. Wow.

Jets . . .

Yeah, thank god we kept Fasano and about 5 to 10 other no-name, useless jackholes instead of Flowers.

Yes, the same Jets who played the Packers, Bears, and Lions a LOT closer than they did us.

Chargers will be 8-8 just like every year

dude doesnt fit on a team that run man as much as us.. that simple. stud in run support and zone coverage, not in man to man.

Flowers is good. He's always been pretty ****ing good.

He would make us a ton better.

We're still paying him.

slot corner that was a cap casualty. If he was a little taller and faster and got hurt less often, he'd be a stud. Those 3 things are pretty important no matter how smart the guy is.

So?

He's still worth SOMETHING.

If we gotta pay him, may as well play him.

Instead, he takes Chunt's $$$ and plays (well) for a division rival.

If anything, it's extremely inefficient.

There are players every year that every team is still "paying".


Not sure of the point.

He shouldn't have been cut. We're on the hook for his salary anyway; he's better than the 3rd corner we have now.

Alex Smith and Justin Houston had/have to be paid.

Nuff said.

He doesn't fit our system. Get over it.

How do you know that? Are you Andy Reid?

He is the top rated cb on PFF.

PFF stats. Really? They prove nothing in football discussions.

Our secondary is playing better this year without him than they did last year with him, and we're saving cap space. Why all the bitching?

Pretty much

PFF is only cool when they make Justin Houston the best rated OLB


everything else is nothing

/CP

Doesn't fit? He's not even that fat. Why so judgy?

LMAO

Do you honestly think Houston is the best 3-4 LB in football? Keep in mind PFF doesn't take age into account.

Cooper looks like burned dogshit.

Who's better?

Oooh!!!:eek: I'd love to see rabblerouser and splatbass conduct a circular argument for weeks. This will be awesome.:popcorn:

It's probably in his script. ;)

When he's on roids Von Miller is pretty good. LMAO

Oh definitely true. But I think that has a lot more to do with the fact that Abdullah is way better in this system than Kendrick Lewis was.

Marcus Cooper is one-thousand-fold worse than last year.

And that might actually be lenient...

It is a team sport, and as a team our secondary is playing better than last year. This is all that matters. It is bigger than one player (as long as that player isn't named Kendrick Lewis). This secondary is improved - even with Berry out they are playing better than last year. No reason to get all worked up over the loss of Flowers, who didn't fit the system anyway.

not taking age into account Robert Mathis is in that discussion but hes out for the year.

Aldon Smith isnt playing either

of the OLBer that can currently show up on Sundays, I cant think of a better one than Houston.

Im so tired of that bullshit blackbob argument about how he didn't fit the system. Bunch of horseshit. You think Flowers never played man until Sutton got there or something? You honestly think he can't play man better than Cooper?

Has there ever been a decent player that left the team that CP didn't bitch about for years?

Pooperscuses.

The secondary is "better" because Hali and Houston are healthy.

The fact remains Flowers is still better than Owens and Cooper and Parker, and the team would be better with him.

But, Owens, Cooper, and Parker are younger and newer players. You should never throw in the towel on new guys until they've played at least three years with a single team.

That's just nonsense.

I generally agree about rookies, as they need time to develop. You don't sign veteran players to develop them for 3 years to see if they can be productive. You draft projects, you don't sign them as FA's.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Chargers and CB Brandon Flowers reached agreement on a 4-year deal, per league sources. Deal to be signed this week.</p>&mdash; Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/574659719115206657">March 8, 2015</a></blockquote>
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One of my favorites CBs


Brandon Pickin Flowers


Kid was damn good

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>CB Brandon Flowers has agreed to terms on a four-year deal with the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chargers?src=hash">#Chargers</a>, a source confirmed. Expect him to average around $9M per.</p>&mdash; Rand Getlin (@Rand_Getlin) <a href="https://twitter.com/Rand_Getlin/status/574662243696140288">March 8, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Good for Flowers.

One of my favorites too.

Look at how done he is!

Oh, I'm sorry; we have Sean Smith. :rolleyes:

Smith is better.

Shut up, honky lips.

Smith was better than Flowers last season.

He's not to bright.

for the same 9 million per we were paying him?

FYP

Can't pay Flowers $9 million, but you can shell out $10 to Vance Walker, Joe Mays, and Mike DeVito.

Another dumb post keep them coming.

Eat a pound of thermite and swallow a road flare, you worthless ****.

Flowers' play last year established that he was still a good player. It would have helped the Chiefs significantly to have a player of his caliber around instead of a bunch of suckass FAs who contributed nothing.