We've all said the CB's have been much better than we expected, especially Scandrick.

The issue is at safety. That's been the discussion now in this thread and others for a solid 24 hours.

Hasn't he been hurt the last 2 seasons?

It would make us better but I'm not sure it would put us over the top. It'd be worth a 2nd and some change though to give it go.

Earl Thomas is a CB now I guess, otherwise I'm not sure how that post matters you know cause we are discussing how Murray sucks and Berry never plays.

The issue has been communication and the LBers in coverage sucking ass

You said he ignored the secondary though

He's missed 7 games his whole career..broke his leg 2 years ago and missed 2 last year.

Was 16 every year before that, I'll take that over ACL and achilles.

Scandrick got signed 2 weeks before the season started lets not act like he didn't ignore it.

This is the shit I’m talking about man. Veach had no first rd pick. Even with a first rd pick, you aren’t fixing every problem on this defense.

This defense was bad basically everywhere last year. Every single level thanks to Dorsey.

This same shit will be said if Earl Thomas is traded for.

“But we don’t have a pass rush and our all pro safeties can’t cover forever!”

Let’s just be realistic here

So he was healthy when he was young, now as he's getting older he's getting injured more.

Wrong Hunt family

We've had two of the best games by a QB in the history of football, that's true. And he had a very good game on Sunday too.

Why are we not expecting that he will be great for his whole career? He continues to improve even now. Why do we expect Mahomes to turn into a pumpkin after this season?

Wasn't O'Daniel drafted to be that tweener guy to take some of the coverage duties off the ILBer's?

Surely he would offer some kind of flexibility on known passing downs...or maybe he just is that bad. I dunno.

I'm for trading for Thomas because Safeties probably age the best on the defense--generally. He could play 6 more years at a high level.

I bet a 2nd and 4th get it done with a sign and trade. It will likely cost an average of 10 or 11 per year. Sign him to a 5-6 year deal with that average and 30 mil guaranteed.

When Berry gets healthy, you have one of the best safety duo in history and Sutton can finally be more aggressive with pass rush.

We have an extra 2nd that will likely be in the back end of the 2nd round. Makes too much sense to me.

If you make this move, Berry gets healthy and O'daniel actually is worth a shit, the middle of the D is a lot different in a month.

Earl Thomas free lancing at free safety would free up a lot of problems.

Man we really should have found out in the scouting process that Eric Berry was cancer-prone

It's not about future expectations.

This season looks like the season, damn the seasons after this one. Don't care.

FFS nobody is beating him up on the cancer thing...

It's this mysterious "My heal hurts" bullshit.
What's next? Tooth Aches?

Well, I mean the dude beat cancer, came back from an acl tear and an achilles tear. I'd imagine if he's not playing he's pretty hurt.

So regardless of the scenario, pretty much puts him in the "injury prone" category.

I want to love Eric Berry like everyone else does, but until he can get on the field... sorry, I just can't.
It's not his Fault, I don't blame him... but it is what it is.

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Get.it.done.

He's def injury prone.

But saying he's not really hurt? Yeah I don't really think that.

If Veach does it I’m on board.

We have this OL and weapons for 2 more years after this one.

Play our cards right and it could mean multiple shots at a SB.

Really do think they thought 2019/2020 were the best time to make a run and now they were surprised. Makes sense that they are talking to Seattle about Thomas.

My guess is they agree more with your philosophy than mine.

You're telling me that Lamar Hunt didn't get rich in the ketchup fields of Texas???!

He mentions that the CHiefs have 2 2nds so I'd think that may be what they're offering? One of them?

GET

IT

DONE!!;

We have Mahomes for the next 15 years. You are going to have retool the team 4 or 5 times in that window. Hell look at the Patriots with Brady, Donks with Elway, Packers with Rodgers.

We have potentially one of the greatest offenses of all time right now in 3 year window. Lets go win the damn thing this year. Go get Earl Thomas.

Well to be fair, *I* thought 2019/2020 was the best time to make a run and I'm surprised. 3 weeks ago, I wouldn't have been advocating this. But Mahomes is WAY ahead of where I thought he'd be. WAY ahead. And I just can't stomach the thought of wasting a magical season.

Don't wait til October to do it. Do it now.

Says we were never close.

Yep. The sooner he's in here, the sooner he'll be up to speed on the defense.

Flip them a 1st round pick for Thomas and they're 4th.

I'm not a big fan of midseason trades in football because of that, so if you're gonna do anything lets get the hell on with it.

It's time!

He also talks about Breeland. That's a weird situation.

“I need to make sure my body is 100 and I’m invested in myself. If they was invested in me, I’d be out there practicing, but if I feel like anything – I don’t give a damn if it’s small, I got a headache – I’m not practicing.”

LMAO At least he is honest about it.

Don't want. Situation fishy. Corners are much better than their safeties anyway.

Yeah, that's not.....ideal.

Yeah, I'm good with the corners.

haha, nice! The memories.

Come on Veach!

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...or-earl-thomas

Here's something from an hour ago. Guess a team source said we're still in on Thomas.

This would be quite acceptable.

Terez sez the Chiefs are still interested!!! GET IT DONE!!

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WOOT!!!!

Says it would be quite difficult to do, so we're probably far apart on compensation.

They were in on tyrann mathieu. That’s what post draft? Or before? Either way they’ve known about the issue. If there’s a deal to be made I would expect them to be aggressive. Veach has been so far. I don’t know the reality of some of the ET things. What other than money is his motivation. Didn’t he contemplate retiring when he broke his leg? Maybe there’s some diva concerns there but they are close with Seattle’s FO and if there’s interest I think they can sort through all the contract stuff. Getting buried in another bad contract for an older player is a legit concern but well worth the risk for an All Pro. Could it be thrown out there for motivation for Berry? I don’t know I tend to take them at their word and they are being super careful his other heal doesn’t pop. Can’t blame them. But S is the sore spot on D and he’s the hot name out there.

For me it’s just be Eagles like aggressive like how they were with the Miami RB and even being interested in calling on potential McCoy availability. Look for a matchup player on D who can cover some ground or another rusher to rotate Just be aggressive on inquiring on possible moves is all you can hope for just might need to be patient.

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C'mon Veach!!!! SHOW ME THE MONEY!!!

His heel hurts BECAUSE HE HAD CANCER. That's what chemo does!

Eric Berry without cancer has one ACL.

Would love to see Berry and Ford back for Jacksonville.

If Thomas is there with them, then well.... :)

We were in on Earl Thomas in August? Yeah we’re going after this guy hard.

I think there’s more of a chance than not that this guy is a Chief.

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It makes sense if you can make the numbers work. If we get Berry and Thomas healthy and productive by the playoffs you have a real chance to make it to the Super Bowl. This year.

Yeah, we're sitting at 3-0 and Thomas is rapidly becoming a distraction off the field. No way we should be the team that moves.

With Berry's lead weight of a contract, I would hate this move. Don't expend draft capital and money and yet another high priced safety. I understand our options this year are limited, but the picks and cap space could be far better used in other areas on the D. Can not afford to have $20-25 million tied up in safeties IMO.

2018 2nd round pick
2019 3rd round pick

Sign Thomas to a 4 year extension. Mid level cap hit in 2019. Top 5 cap hit in 2020. Top 10 cap hit in 2021.

**** it. Lets do it.

See what happesn.

There's always next year...

This secondary needs a playmaker. Berry is still a question mark. Earl would come in and immediately make an impact. Then Berry could come in and be the yang to Earl’s yin.

I bet Veach is arguing what we are arguing in this very thread. I don’t think he wants to part with a 1st if he doesn’t have to.

That's the spirit!!!

They won't move the 1st after not having one this year.

I actually think it's really dumb for the Seahawks to not take one of the 2nds we have.

Stfu and gtfo

Earl Thomas currently has 3 INTs in 3 games.

The entire Chiefs defense has 1 INT in 3 games.

While the corners are playing well, it’s players like Murray that are complete dog shit on this defense

Sorry but Seattle won't trade him to the Chiefs without a 1st pick. They could get a much better pick or picks from the Cowgirls or many other teams that will finish lower than KC this year. Also, Thomas is well loved here in the NW by the fans as well as their coach. If they deal him, they will do it for the best picks possible and to somewhere that Thomas wants to play like the Cowgirls.

If the Cowboys were willing to move a first, they'd have done it by now.

I don't see this happening because of the cap numbers alone, but if they can make it work, it's hard not to get excited.

I think the D will still be bad, but if Berry comes back we would literally go from the worst safety play in the league to the best overnight. That's quite insane. Sorensen can help in nickel and dime. They'd make enough plays to get a few more stops per game, and that's all we need with this offense.

I still can't see it. The numbers, the compensation, does ET really crave the Cowboys, his home team, or is the $ more important? But I didn't see Mack getting traded either. WTF...

Why wouldn't he want to play in KC? They offer him an infinitely better chance to win a ring in the next couple of years than that train wreck in Dallas.

At the rate their season is going now, their 2nd wouldn't be too far off from our 1st next year...

They rebuffed Dallas’s offer of a 2nd. They won’t get a first. And I sure as shit am not giving up a 1. One of the 2s? Sure. It’ll be a late second at that whether it’s KCs or the Rams pick. Not to mention the 2nd rounders haven’t produced shit the last two drafts

Veach has shown if anything he'll go out and get the players he really wants, even if its at a bit of an unreasonable price. We've been sniffing around since August. As long as its within reason, this deal is getting done. That's the way it should be.

it's his team preference but I get what you are saying

Berry can take out the opposing TE and we still have All-Pro coverage deep.


You have to make this trade.

That's A LOT of money to have tied up in a safeties.....


No way the chiefs give up a 1....honestly I don't see how they give up a 2 for a disgruntled player near 30 on the last year of his contract.

If Berry doesn't get his ass on the field soon, it will be time to let him go after this season.

This is what makes me excited! Those two will be able to cover a multitude of sins. It would be absolutely huge!

Can we afford to keep Berry, Thomas, Houston, Watkins, and eventually Hill and Mahomes? PM II and Tyreek are going to get monster contracts.