He has not. He's been lucky. A 1.34 WHIP with 4.7 K/9 is abysmal. He'll be getting shelled soon.

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Not saying the guy is a stud. He’s a 4/5 pitcher from what I see. I don’t understand the deep stats like you do but how can pitching 5 games, 28 innings or so be batted ball luck?

****ing Wacha starting :cuss:

When you cant score runs it doesn't matter. 1 hit through 4 innings so far today. The whole hitting staff needs shit canned.

Edit: 1 hit and 1 walk through 5 innings.

How is that useless one who sucks the penis still on the team? Jesus. :cuss:

this BS I have to stand by my guys is complete BS. It’s a performance based business. What can you do for the team TODAY. Not what you did for the team in 2013. Schildt is maddening. Is it this way on other teams?

Because it's an exceptionally small sample size.

If your sequencing is right, you can give up four baserunners every three innings and not have anyone come around to score.

Remember all those series we used to play against the Pirates in 2013-15 where guys would hit lasers and their OF would track everything down? That's 27 innings right there. You wouldn't say the offense is bad because they only scored a few runs a game when balls were hit right at someone or the defenders were making outstanding plays, just unlucky.

Wacha is terrible, but he's actually better in MLB than Cabrera has been in AAA. Cabrera is ****ing awful; they only promoted him because Mo was looking for validation for the self-rape the Pham trade was.

Have some friends who are Astros fans and their take is he is super meh even though his traditional numbers still look good enough. He doesn’t strike out many and last year gave up a league leading number of hits without a ton of innings. Still the cost is only cash and could have the switching league run which is also balanced with hasn’t pitched this year.

I was actually looking at his AAA stats last night wondering why he was starting while also being bummed out by lack of return from trading Pham.

WHY did the Cardinals get rid of Luke Voit OH HELL 5-2.
thanks d.

Needed shitty reliever of course and you could pay Goldschmidt a shitload more to have the same WAR as Voit right now. Hamas summarized some of the recent trade disasters not long ago.

thanks. miles. congrats on the win tonight.

how many times can a team challenge a call per game.

We are 3 games into playing 20 games in a row. On the schedule it’s 21 in a row but we had the rainout on Wensday. I thought a team can only play 20 games in a row without a day off.

Win tonight?

I’d forgot about the rainout in 2001. A rainout in 2006 allowed me to see them win a WS.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The rain out that allowed Chris Carpenter to start game 7 of the 2011 WS. God is a Cardinals fan. <a href="https://t.co/targJ9q5wr">https://t.co/targJ9q5wr</a></p>&mdash; CardsCards (@StlCardsCards) <a href="https://twitter.com/StlCardsCards/status/1137029389223378945?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 7, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

The only glory years I experienced as a Pirates fan. Those series were epic.

And today the bullpen collapsed again. Against the Brewers, my most hated Central team.

Sigh. :cuss::#

I cant think of a single thing about this Cards team I know I like. What a dumpster fire.

Bader's hair.

At least no ones spiked themselves.

Fowler's smile?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Meanwhile, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cardinals?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cardinals</a> haven&#39;t gotten a ball out of the infield since Kolten Wong&#39;s single in the first inning. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cubs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cubs</a></p>&mdash; Derrick Goold (@dgoold) <a href="https://twitter.com/dgoold/status/1137530644987351041?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 9, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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2 runs scored in 26 innings at Wrigley ain’t going to get it done. Frazod ain’t going to have a pleasant day at work on Monday.

I hate Milwaukee so much.

No, it’s going to suck. I’m going in early so the ****ers won’t be able to cover my desk with Cubs shit before I get there. :shake:

F them...their history is worse than the Marlins and Royals the last 50 years.

Yeah, I know. But they’ve got me surrounded!

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Call me crazy, but I fully believe Michael Wacha can be a top starting pitcher again. He just needs to face Cardinals hitters.</p>&mdash; CardsCards (@StlCardsCards) <a href="https://twitter.com/StlCardsCards/status/1138230485346410496?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 10, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Yup. The Cardinals beat the worst team in the National League 4-1 on 4 hits and 3 unearned errors. I&#39;m glad Wacha dominated the maybe worst offense in baseball, but I&#39;m not feeling any more confident today.</p>&mdash; CardsCards (@StlCardsCards) <a href="https://twitter.com/StlCardsCards/status/1138457384031068161?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 11, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Hamas, 7 straight starts still a small sample size?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Imagine running a 14% / 10% strikeout/walk rates and thinking that you found a “groove” on the mound <a href="https://t.co/ar0OhDcJ0K">https://t.co/ar0OhDcJ0K</a></p>&mdash; Zach Gifford (@zjgifford) <a href="https://twitter.com/zjgifford/status/1138578630534213632?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 11, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Go look at Jason Vargas' numbers. And he's pure trash. That tweet is also lampooning him.

I trust you on the numbers. You know your shit. I’m going off my eyeballs that even with a good set are unreliable as a barometer of future success. Not saying he’s got a Flaherty ceiling but he seems to be a good low4/high5 innings eater.

Unfortunately, this team is bereft of high ceiling pitching. Reyes being a total bust so far is killer, as was Weaver pitching his way out to AZ, and Martinez turning into a middle reliever.

The developmental system and or the organization has really failed by hyping them too much and allowing some of them to use high risk mechanics.

this whole organization needs an huge shake up. They are all coasting. No urgency. Like DJ says, trying to maybe get 90 wins and a WC instead of trying to win a division and a WS. They are fat and happy. The locker room is okay with the losing. The manager says ohh well got to trust the process and your guys. Their system ain’t working anymore. We have been lapped.

We need Mo gone to start with. And Dewitt to get off his ass and care about the losing again. I think a reckoning is a coming if they keep up this uninspiring .500 ball. This is the same BS we had with Mo and Matheny. Matheny is gone, Mo needs to go now.

This team seems to have a lot of mental midgets like Martinez and Carpenter. They don't handle stress well at all. No edge, no resilience. Unlike when LaRussa and Jocketty were around.

Missing a combo of LaRussa edge and Jocketty eye for talent?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Back on February 27, I wrote about how I&#39;d like Dakota Hudson to aim for a 150-degree spin axis on his cutter. Since May 1 (not including tonight), his cutter is averaging a 145-degree spin axis. Before May, it was 130 degrees. Hmmm...🧐 <a href="https://t.co/5ii3YrFwzm">https://t.co/5ii3YrFwzm</a></p>&mdash; stlCupofJoe (@stlCupofJoe) <a href="https://twitter.com/stlCupofJoe/status/1138649126986539008?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 12, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Bernie wrote a pretty good article about the Cardinals team lacking "edge" and the clubhouse being too comfortable. Here is a snipit.

Cards are getting shut out through 5 innings by a guy making his first start ever in MLB.

Meanwhile their "ace" has given up 5 runs to the worst team in baseball.

:facepalm:

Today was entertaining baseball. But this is just sad and pathetic.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This is disappointing. <a href="https://t.co/tqOQStFT9G">https://t.co/tqOQStFT9G</a></p>&mdash; stlCupofJoe (@stlCupofJoe) <a href="https://twitter.com/stlCupofJoe/status/1139725046879047680?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 15, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I saw this live and noticed it. Bet everyone was going WTF? Let the kids have some fun for crissakes.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I’m seeing this, right? The <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Mets?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Mets</a> actually find the only two kid fans enjoying themselves in this latest soul-crushing game, and shut down the fun <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NewYorkMeh?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NewYorkMeh</a> <a href="https://t.co/i0ClfkCIVA">pic.twitter.com/i0ClfkCIVA</a></p>&mdash; Keith Olbermann (@KeithOlbermann) <a href="https://twitter.com/KeithOlbermann/status/1139713632370081792?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 15, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Was it Zobrist's wife?

That’s sad. People make mistakes and I hope they can get thru it

She sounds pretty pissed right now. Geezz your laying around pregnant and your hubby is doing this?

Hope it doesn't embarrass him enough to quit broadcasting. He's the best one we got.

Yeah I’m always remiss to comment on shit like this because you just never know the intricacies of peoples relationships

He ****ed up but it happens

I'm going to go out on a limb here and speculate that this probably isn't the first woman Edmunds has cheated on.

We have a thread about alphas. Well, alpha doesn't get much more alpha than successful, wealthy celebrity athletes. They do what they do. Not saying it's right or trying to excuse it, but little miss eye candy probably knew what she was signing up for.

He is human, its their issue and nobody else's.

I wouldn’t have known about her since i don’t watch the wife’s of Orange County type reality shows. Or if she hadn’t made that post on Instagram and it got picked up by national media. So..... evidently she doesn’t think it’s just their issue.:)

Or more likely she’s pissed and wanted to embrass him. :hmmm:

No doubt, she got embarrassed so she is putting him on notice as well.

Can you imagine the volume of pussy thrown at Jimmy Ballgame though? Dude would have to be damn near a saint to not stray.

he’s probably had all kinds of women throw that pussy at him since what,16? Now 40, evidently hasn’t changed his life to monogamy yet.

I had no idea he was married to some idiot who would put her entire life on display for a reality TV show. :shake:

this wasn’t before they met. Edmonds was involved and appeared regularly on the show too. He knew he was married to a drama queen.

And right on cue as predictable as anyone could see coming..... Wacha gives up 5 runs in the 1st inning.

No, the kids were being absolute shits. The people that were sitting behind them were constantly having to lean to the side to watch the game as they couldn’t see because the kids were standing up the whole game. Yes, have some fun, but not at the expense of everyone else.

"Macro-wise, Wacha was called up too soon. I don't understand the hype over the kid. That's not to say he can't be a really good pitcher. He should be an eventual strong #3/ solid #2 starter, but the fans treated him like he was a Kershaw type prospect and he's just not that guy. Once he learns to throw his curve effectively he can dominate lineups, but that pitch isn't close to prime time ready."

That's what I said after his first start. He had a nice run at the end of 2013, but even Ryan Vogeldong looked decent in a small enough sample size.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">If there’s any person in Cardinals management anywhere in the organization surprised about the outcome of the Wacha/Cabrera game they should be immediately fired and banned from Busch Stadium for life.</p>&mdash; CardsCards (@StlCardsCards) <a href="https://twitter.com/StlCardsCards/status/1140071564370726914?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 16, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

your an old fuddy duddy :harumph:

I'm probably half your age, hoss. If I paid that kind of money to go sit in those seats, I wouldn't put up with not being able to see the game.

just a little harmless Saturday night fun. I know your opinion is a valid one.

Absolutely this. ****ing brats.

Oh, and Keith Olbermann can go choke on a dick and die. Always happy to be on the other side of anything that douche says.

As for the Cards, at least they made it close. Somebody needs to chain Wacha to 55 gallon drum full of concrete and drop his ass in the river.

Maybe Mathenys bible studies weren’t the problem

Why the hell dont they put Martinez back in the rotation?

How different are the Cardinals 2014-present if Mozeliak cashes in Wacha and Adams for what they could have gotten for them after 2013?

Wacha pitched way above his skill level and Adams did too.

Betting on a college-product fastball/changeup guy to figure out how to spin the baseball in his kid-20s is a bet they should have let another team make.

>John Mozeliak
>Making competent gm decisions

Pick 1 and only 1

the only logical answer is that his shoulder is more ****ed up than they are saying publicly.

They have stated that they don't think he has the necessary focus to stay on track on his off days.

You can see he still has #1 stuff. Slider is crisp. Throwing it for a strike. Change is working. Fastball is still 95-97 regularly. Everyone can see this since he came back off the shoulder issue. Even dumb ass Mo cant come to any conclusion, he belongs in the rotation. So why isn't he in the rotation?

Are they hiding that his shoulder is way worse that they have publicly admitted?

Why didnt he stay in the minors to prepare for a starting role? Was he going out and getting drunk in the minors? Late for practices? Not doing his off day work? Not doing the shoulder strengthening exercises? Something is up with that we dont know.

If he has OCD or some other legitimate physiological condition that doesn't allow him to focus, they have non-narcotic drugs that help 99.99% of people with those conditions. So does he not take them regularly? Refuses?

Is he still messed up from his buddy Taveras dying?

Whatever it is, how he is being currently handled makes no logical sense with the public information that has been released.

I think we should continue to police any fun it will certainly help all the empty stadiums.

I about fell out of my chair when Carpenter bunted against the shift, for a double no less.

How ****ing hard was that and why did it take 1.5 years to figure that out?

Incompetence.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I appreciate the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/STLCards?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#STLCards</a> doing everything they can to maximize the odds of one last Pujols HR at Busch. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/TimeToFly?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#TimeToFly</a> <a href="https://t.co/YXsu07oGPm">https://t.co/YXsu07oGPm</a></p>&mdash; ⚾ b _ g _ h ⚾ (@b_g_h) <a href="https://twitter.com/b_g_h/status/1141122994296823808?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 18, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Wacha is still starting? Holy ****ing shitballs. Fire everyone.

no shit. He was getting smacked around his last 5 starts. has a mediocre start against the Marlins and he gets hammered the next time. So let’s give him another start.

I realize Gomber is hurt. Reyes ain’t doing well. But, take whoever is pitching the best in AAA and give them a shot. How could they do any worse than Wacha?

This is brutal. From Bernie’s Athletic column


What do the Cardinals have to show for trading: Marco Gonzales, Tommy Pham, Luke Voit, Aledmys Diaz, Stephen Piscotty, Mike Leake, Oscar Mercado and Randal Grichuk (among others)?

Our friend Derrick Goold of the Post-Dispatch and STLtoday did the homework:

“Since they last reached the playoffs, in 2015, the Cardinals have received 18.0 Wins Above Replacement from acquired players. Jedd Gyorko has contributed 8.6 WAR. The players traded away gave their new teams 25.7 WAR, 4.9 belonging to Tommy Pham.”

And really, that scorecard is much worse if we remove Gyorko from the equation. Moreover, Gyorko has been good for only 1.1 WAR since the start of last season.

Here is another fun one. Voit who was given away last year has a fangraphs WAR of 1.4 while Goldschmidt has a 0.9.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Before last week, Jordan Yamamoto had never pitched above Double-A.<br><br>Since then, he&#39;s held the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/STLCards?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#STLCards</a> to five hits over 14 scoreless innings.</p>&mdash; Jenifer Langosch (@LangoschMLB) <a href="https://twitter.com/LangoschMLB/status/1141179022925340672?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 19, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

But y'all assured me that we clearly stole him and Goldschmidt would be awesome...

The sad thing is that ownership/management has become as myopic as the fans these days. They truly only see what they want to see.

they have become fat, happy and complacent. It sucks we have fallen so far from the aggressive teams of Larussa.

I’m sure other teams fans are upset too. We have the worst record in the NL since May 2nd. Yet, we are still only 2-3 games out of the division lead. I thought the Centrsl was filled with good teams this year?

this BS is exactly what Immtslking about. Everything is great. Nothing to see here.


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I asked Shildt this afternoon if part of the reason to empty his bench tonight was to give the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/stlcards?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#stlcards</a> offense a boost by virtue of a shakeup. Here was his response: <a href="https://t.co/9xnLCFhDkE">pic.twitter.com/9xnLCFhDkE</a></p>&mdash; Jeff Jones (@jmjones) <a href="https://twitter.com/jmjones/status/1141475485806931970?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 19, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>