Okay ... I choose not to dispute those points because I don't want to. And they're actually pretty damn good points.

Except ... do you know those are the terms? If not, I'm still not prepared to calculate the VPP.

FAX

Have some GODDAMN FAITH!!!!

Why do I have the feeling that Seattle just pumped a mountain of jizz up Veach’s ass?

NE will go 2 TE sets and run the football. They did it a lot in both games last year.

We need a linebacker who can thump Michel and White in the A-gap. Hitchens and Ragland were awful last year.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Just spoke to one general manager who had this to say about the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> move...<br><br>&quot;Comparing Dee Ford to Frank Clark is like comparing Joe Flacco to Patrick Mahomes.&quot;</p>&mdash; Matt Verderame (@MattVerderame) <a href="https://twitter.com/MattVerderame/status/1120772046986911744?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 23, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Absolutely.

They have 4 in the next 2 drafts thankfully.

He just spoke to Veach?

They need to take a developmental tackle here in this draft at some point.

So... We essentially traded Dee Ford, AND a first round pick for a LESSER player. Veach is a ****ing moron.

NO

WE

****ING

DID

NOT!!!!!!!!

Do you even lift?

That's sort of the point of changing to 4 down lineman and reshuffling the deck to prioritize plugging the run. Sorta why comp'ing Dee Ford to Frank Clark is laughable.

Although this was posted 2hrs ago, it is still wonderful to read and I still enjoy reading this post from the guy who started the individual Frank Clark thread this morning.

This ain't it, fam.

what ****ing planet do you live on? LMAO

if in your estimation Clark < Ford, then i dont value your opinion at all.

I think he's starting a retirement account up in there or something. Maybe we can ask him at the next presser?

If Frank Clark doesn't line up off sides in the biggest play of the season I'm good with this trade

I have more faith in Clark than Ford moving forward, They're similar caliber players, but Ford is slightly better IMO. But in NO ****ING UNIVERSE is he, an additional 1st round pick better than Ford.

Your welcome :)

This may be the hottest of all the hot takes in this thread...holy ****ing shit. ROFL

Yup. Guess I no longer have plans

I like how Dee Ford has went from a useless turd CP wouldn't stop to piss on if he were on fire to a valuable asset that they should have kept in just 3 months

This makes less sense than your original post but has more spelling and grammatical errors to keep us on our toes.

Yer dumb.

The Chiefs weren't going to get a better player at #29. Not even close. Time for some of you to pop a Midol and put on a clean pad.

Why didn't we keep the guy that couldn't manage to line up properly, costing us a trip to the Super Bowl????? -actual people today

Why didn't we get proper compensation for a stupid idiot????? -CP, last month

Schrodinger’s edge rusher.

im working on starting a Peterson thread tomorrow.

I don’t know shit about Clark, so I can’t make a valued judgement on this trade. It sounds like we gave up a lot for a DE and paid him.

On a side note, **** Dee Ford with a Sequoia sized dildo.

Because there isn't already a Peterson thread that isn't a mega thread?

why is Ford better in your mind?

Ford cannot set an edge, stop the run or stay healthy.

Clark can do all of the above, and get to the passer. He is also younger, and doesn't have a history of back issues. Ford, played two good years out of 5, during his contract years. Clark has consistently gotten better every year.

It's a solid trade. You give up a very late round 1st, and NEXT years 2nd for one of the premier players at his position which also happens to be a position of need. He's only 26 years old, durable, and has a high motor. You could easily miss with the 29th pick, or get a guy that takes 3 years to become what they are getting right now.

Suck my balls.

Talk about saying stupid shit....cmon man..:rolleyes:

Relax. It could be alot worse.



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Brett Veach is a fukkin moron that can't draft

Why did he trade those draft picks for a proven player that is still ascending

-CP

exactly :clap:

Figure I’ll start my own rumor that’s Peterson to the Chiefs for a 2nd.

yer rill dumb.

Clark can stop the run as well as rush the passer whereas Ford can only rush the passer and line up off sides.

But he's like at least 85% percent of a Frank Clark, so in result this trade suckkkssssss. That line of thinking is the best thing I've seen all day. LMAO

LOL ...

FAX

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2019/04/gra...ced-the-chiefs

"Clark managed an impressive 64 on his own, which is 16 more than Houston tallied but 13 fewer than Ford’s total. Pro Football Focus graded Ford as the best pass rusher in 2018. Houston ranked fifth. Clark ranked outside the top-20."

Pff obviously isn't the end all be all, but their rankings stem from an entire season of advanced data instead of one offsides play.

Anyone who thinks this was a good move, is a moron.

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@nfldraftscout
The #Chiefs weren't finding a player like Frank Clark at 29 overall. He's a potential top 5 EDGE in the entire NFL, young and very very proven.

I think you're a ****ing moron.

Clark is not good against the run.

I think you're forgetting about run defense.

C'mon brother man ...

We have a couple of young guys who flashed just prior to landing on IR and we have a couple of other young guys who showed some real skill and composure under live fire.

If "quasi" means what I think it means, we may be much better off than you imagine. At some point, you have to trust the coaching staff ... and the off-season is some point.

FAX

If you think Brooke Pryor writes articles about domestic violence because she hates Kansas City please hit yourself in the face with a frying pan until you are dead.

You get dumber by the post?

You drink more red kool-aid by the post. Chiefs can do no wrong. Frank Clark is the best DE ever.

I seem to recall being given the "Staylor Lil' Chiefy Cheerleader"-treatment when I explained in NO UNCERTAIN TERMS that this team would be lucky to get a bag of used dicks for that piece of shit.

And yet, when it went down JUST...LIKE...THAT, then all of a sudden it was "market value" and excuse and excuse and blah-blah-****itee-blah-blah.

I'm really loving how "market value" seems to apply to every ****ing team we trade with, but never to US.

That's a GREAT setup! Let's keep doing this shit!

He's good against the run jonzie04, take the L on that one

Just looking at this starting D-line and damn ...

Jones, Nnaughty, Okafor, and Clark.

Guys ... holy shit.

FAX

pretty much. i've been saying this for a while. fisher should really be upgraded at some point and schwartz might price himself out of reach.

i'd be okay with erik mccoy in the second and david edwards in the 5th

Dee Ford is that you? You're on the wrong board man. You play for the 49ers now.

LOL ...

FAX

If this makes the difference in a Super Bowl season I’m for it.. just a little nervous about the DB situation... I would think our first pick would be a corner.. hopefully one that can start .. last years bandaid on the corners didn’t go so well..

Ford is 3 years older, oft injured, and had 1 season of elite production in a contract year.

yet, you use that as an example of Veach being shitty at trades.

Your circular logic is circular.

Yea, because I said that.

I wasn’t even happy with the compensation, but just stick with your narrative.

What do you think the market should be for a one tricky pony?

No he isn't. He's an amazing pass rusher, but average against the run. He is an elite player overall, I'm not disputing that...But so is Ford.

YES.

Are you saying he isn't an upgrade over Ford when it comes to defending the run? Someone should queue up that gif of Ford running away from the RB this season.

what the everloving ****?

You ARE referring to Frank Clark...from the Seattle Seahawks, right? The 25 year old...?

You need to go look again. I think you're thinking of someone else.

i recall a lot of people sayin flip that dee ford 2nd to move up for a pass rusher. well that’s what they just did.

cept we had to pay him
and he’s a proven edge, not a rookie projection

i don’t love the price at all, but i appreciate we got a great player

Now FAX, are you REALLY going to sit here and tell me that our LB corps is anything beyond wing and prayer at this very moment?

Fuller is okay, Breeland....throw some dice, and beyond that we really need to find a diamond in the rough. We could use a 2008 Brandon Carr right about now.

Ford is one back tweak away from IR.. What is Clark’s history???

I understand that, and thats why i said I have move confidence in Clark moving forward. But, he isn't worth giving up an additional 1st rounder for. I'd take ford and almost any 1st round pick in the last two years, over just Clark.

ROFL

Market value for OLB on ascension? Give me my 1st and 3rd, please.

( those terms sound familiar? )

LMAO thank you.

He's not ascending anymore, and he's a liability in 2 out of 3 phases. Try it again.

I wouldn't. I'm not entirely thrilled about the compensation, but we just upgraded our D line...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Clark&#39;s combination of athleticism and power make him really, really tough to deal with in the run game. Relentless as well. <a href="https://t.co/9Hir1AOoHp">pic.twitter.com/9Hir1AOoHp</a></p>&mdash; Seth Keysor (@RealMNchiefsfan) <a href="https://twitter.com/RealMNchiefsfan/status/1120762080209010690?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 23, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Frank Clark has never been to the Pro Bowl.

Rams happy to see Frank Clark leave the division

Frank Clark made 12 of his 35 career sacks against NFC West opponents, while also collecting 13 tackles for loss and 29 quarterback hits against the other three teams in the division.

The Rams saw the best of the pass rusher as Clark had six sacks, six tackles for loss, 13 tackles, seven quarterback hits and an interception in eight career games against them.
Not surprisingly, the Rams are celebrating the Seahawks trade of Clark to the Chiefs.

“You mean, am I going to be sad not to see him twice a year? Heck no,” Rams coach Sean McVay said at the team’s pre-draft news conference. “He’s a great player. I think there’s a lot of things that go into that. He is a very good football player, and I will not be upset having to worry about seeing him. There’s a lot of really good players that they have in Seattle, but Frank was a special one. He’ll do a great job in Kansas City and that’s why he earned the deal.”

Rams General Manager Les Snead pointed out, though, that the Seahawks now hold choices 21 and 29 and could get a replacement.

“I’ve got a gut feeling they’re going to pick one of those players we deemed ‘unrealistic’ to us, so there may be a new player,” Snead said.

LBs? No. I have concerns that make my testicles shrink into bb sized remnants of their prior impressive massiveness. I'll probably feel that way until we drown Ragland in a vat of Kirsten Stewart's menopausal discharge.

DBs? I see hope there, to be honest. I mean, think about it ... Breeland, Fuller, Ward, Wade, Smith, Mathieu, Lucas, etc., etc. ...

We have some building blocks there. Better than "quasi", IMHO. That's all I'm saying.

FAX

That's true but he should have last year.