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ChiefsFanatic 10-02-2019 12:58 AM
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Originally Posted by FAX (Post 14494123)
Based on my impressions of the All-22, my inclination is to agree with Mr. Megatron96 on this subject.

I wish I knew the actual assignments ... but to me, it appears the issue we're having with the run game is primarily associated with linebacker play.

Additionally, we've only schemed up a few "games" with the DL so far this year (Daly's specialty) which causes me to believe the guys are still getting comfortable with the base calls and the overall scheme.

One ALL the defenders are able to grasp the system, we'll be able to play faster and more effectively across the board. And that includes Clark.

FAX
I thought we would see more games and stunts from Spags, but we just don't. I think that we are easy to block because we never really vary our attack at the LOS. Sure, Jones makes some plays, and we have run some safety blitzes that past couple of games, but when I watch the defensive line and front seven of other teams, they always seem to be more creative than we are.

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ChiefsFanatic 10-02-2019 12:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 14494115)
Fellas, I just watched the coach's film of the Lions game, and watched the coach's film of the Ravens game again Saturday. Frank Clark doesn't suck. And neither does Spag's defense. There is an obvious method to what the defense is doing. They just need to tighten things up some more. But I think they might be visibly better by week 8 to 10. A lot depends on the linebacker play.

He's playing the assignment he's being given. In the Ravens game he was being asked to play contain a lot, and also basically clean up. It's obvious after viewing the film a couple times. He has a few plays where he's obviously free-lancing, but the rest of the time he's playing the scheme.

It's the same thing in the Lions game, although it's less about containment and more about keeping the RBs and Stafford to the inside of his position.

They also had him and Jones playing as decoys on several plays. They had both of then lined up on the same side several times where they both absorbed double teams, leaving everyone else singled up. At least twice this resulted in KPass or someone else quickly beating their man and nearly getting to Stafford.

Stafford twice threw perfect balls to Galladay. Elite-level passes. Not much you can do about that.

I do think that there might be an issue with Clark's wrist or elbow. A couple times during the Lions game you can see that he's either one-handing a blocker or just holding his hand in an odd position post-play.

Anyway, I'll make a more complete report when I get a chance in a couple days, maybe complete with video clips. But if you have access to NFL.com Game Pass and the coach's film option, check it out. Watch the Raiders game a couple times and then the Lions game. It's pretty obvious after a couple times through.
I find it hard to describe any defense that gives up 6 yards per carry as "does not suck."

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UChieffyBugger 10-02-2019 03:14 AM
Aaron Donald and JJ Watt have also had slow starts this season when it comes to sacks...so i'm not too concerned right now tbh. Judging Clark off the back of what our DL did last year is simply unfair..it was a perfect storm with Jones, Ford, Houston and Bailey all going on a rampage. They'd been together for years though so we've got to give these guys time to gel.

DJ's left nut 10-02-2019 08:16 AM
For the record - THIS is the kind of attention an elite DE gets:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Triple-teaming Khalil Mack is the smartest thing you can do <a href="https://t.co/8puuCSGelS">pic.twitter.com/8puuCSGelS</a></p>&mdash; Barstool Chicago (@barstoolchicago) <a href="https://twitter.com/barstoolchicago/status/1178442071969091586?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 29, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Dude gets chipped by the TE, chipped by the RB AND double-teamed. He's impacts 4 !@#$ing players on that play.

THAT'S how elite players are treated. This 'he got chipped by the RB so he shouldn't be expected to accomplish anything' nonsense is hilarious. There was another play last week where he got doubled AND held and still got the sack.

All good players get attention - truly great ones get a ton of it and oftentimes still impact the play.

Megatron96 10-02-2019 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by J Diddy (Post 14494136)
Ms?
You better buy me dinner first . . .

WhiteWhale 10-02-2019 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger (Post 14494236)
Aaron Donald and JJ Watt have also had slow starts this season when it comes to sacks...so i'm not too concerned right now tbh. Judging Clark off the back of what our DL did last year is simply unfair..it was a perfect storm with Jones, Ford, Houston and Bailey all going on a rampage. They'd been together for years though so we've got to give these guys time to gel.
I can't speak for everyone.

I've defended him. I only judge him on the play-to-play impact he makes.

Which, right now, is minimal. He cost KC draft capital and a big chunk of the salary cap. As of right now, I'd like someone to explain how he's better than Justin ****ing Houston. Let alone Kalil Mack.

He has to be better. Anyone who disagrees has their head up their ****ing ass. Tell me if he finishes the season at this pace you'll be satisfied and I'll laugh at you.

He's on pace for under 40 tackles and 4 sacks. I'd like to think 20 ****ing million a year can buy more than THAT.

He NEEDS a big impact game. Soon.

RealSNR 10-02-2019 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by WhiteWhale (Post 14495789)
I can't speak for everyone.

I've defended him. I only judge him on the play-to-play impact he makes.

Which, right now, is minimal. He cost KC draft capital and a big chunk of the salary cap. As of right now, I'd like someone to explain how he's better than Justin ****ing Houston. Let alone Kalil Mack.

He has to be better. Anyone who disagrees has their head up their ****ing ass. Tell me if he finishes the season at this pace you'll be satisfied and I'll laugh at you.

He's on pace for under 40 tackles and 4 sacks. I'd like to think 20 ****ing million a year can buy more than THAT.

He NEEDS a big impact game. Soon.
UR JUST OBSESSED WITH SAX!

WhiteWhale 10-02-2019 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 14495814)
UR JUST OBSESSED WITH SAX!
Give me Frank Clark ****ing up an offensive passing game with constant pressure and 5 QB hits and 0 sacks. Just make an impact.

It's tired. 4 games is enough. My patience is waning. Pass rushers are streaky, I get it... but 4 games without a real 'impact' game? C'mon. Time to get going.

RustShack 10-02-2019 07:12 PM
Maybe we aren’t seeing all the stunts and defense playing up to it’s potential because it’s most of their first year playing together, and everyone’s first year with this coaching staff. Maybe it’s more vanilla at the moment.

WhiteWhale 10-02-2019 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14494429)
For the record - THIS is the kind of attention an elite DE gets:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Triple-teaming Khalil Mack is the smartest thing you can do <a href="https://t.co/8puuCSGelS">pic.twitter.com/8puuCSGelS</a></p>&mdash; Barstool Chicago (@barstoolchicago) <a href="https://twitter.com/barstoolchicago/status/1178442071969091586?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 29, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Dude gets chipped by the TE, chipped by the RB AND double-teamed. He's impacts 4 !@#$ing players on that play.

THAT'S how elite players are treated. This 'he got chipped by the RB so he shouldn't be expected to accomplish anything' nonsense is hilarious. There was another play last week where he got doubled AND held and still got the sack.

All good players get attention - truly great ones get a ton of it and oftentimes still impact the play.
It was a mistake to bring Mack into the conversation (Clark is clearly and obviously not in his caliber, as is nearly nobody else) and I tried to warn against it.

I had expectations of Clark. I defended him. We're 1/4 through the season. He's not living up to my expectations.

Chris Jones gets more ****ing criticism on this site and he's double teamed WAY more often than Frank Clark AND he makes a much bigger impact.

WhiteWhale 10-02-2019 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 14495820)
Maybe we aren’t seeing all the stunts and defense playing up to it’s potential because it’s most of their first year playing together, and everyone’s first year with this coaching staff. Maybe it’s more vanilla at the moment.
Maybe excuses are like assholes.

They've had training camp, preseason, and now 4 games.

Time to get BETTER.

Pasta Little Brioni 10-02-2019 07:23 PM
King absolutely wrecked ROFL

mcaj22 10-02-2019 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 14494115)
Fellas, I just watched the coach's film of the Lions game, and watched the coach's film of the Ravens game again Saturday. Frank Clark doesn't suck. And neither does Spag's defense. There is an obvious method to what the defense is doing. They just need to tighten things up some more. But I think they might be visibly better by week 8 to 10. A lot depends on the linebacker play.

He's playing the assignment he's being given. In the Ravens game he was being asked to play contain a lot, and also basically clean up. It's obvious after viewing the film a couple times. He has a few plays where he's obviously free-lancing, but the rest of the time he's playing the scheme.
100 million dollars for a DE to play contain or within the scheme? You can get a third rounder to do that. Thats a complete failure from front office standpoint.

Megatron96 10-02-2019 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 14495931)
100 million dollars for a DE to play contain or within the scheme? You can get a third rounder to do that. Thats a complete failure from front office standpoint.
If that's all they have him do this season I would totally agree with you. But obviously, they know he's far too talented for that. And too expensive.

So they must have a plan. I just don't know what it is yet. All I do know is that Spags and Daly are having him play inside this scheme for what looks like the majority of the game. For now.

Sweet Daddy Hate 10-02-2019 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 14494115)
Fellas, I just watched the coach's film of the Lions game, and watched the coach's film of the Ravens game again Saturday. Frank Clark doesn't suck. And neither does Spag's defense. There is an obvious method to what the defense is doing. They just need to tighten things up some more. But I think they might be visibly better by week 8 to 10. A lot depends on the linebacker play.
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And there it was.

Lzen 10-03-2019 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE! (Post 14493312)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Totals through 4 games:<br><br>Double teams: 13<br>C/G Help: 8<br>Chips: 12<br>1v1: 105</p>&mdash; Jared (@OShowKCJared) <a href="https://twitter.com/OShowKCJared/status/1178913204124160000?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 1, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
I don't know who this Jared person is so we don't know how legitimate his take is. But if this is correct, then Clark is basically single blocked 75% of the time. If that is truly the case then yeah, he has not lived up to the billing so far. Not even close.

Lzen 10-03-2019 08:00 AM
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Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar (Post 14493324)
Hoping that Clark turns it around (and obviously he will to some extent), but I'm fearful that he was just flat out overrated.

I watched his 2018 highlights, and I certainly didn't see the dominant physical presence that we heard about. Frankly, he even seems kind of weak. Half the time, he can barely get the players to the ground (remember when he had to piggyback Jackson for 10 minutes until they blew the whistle).

Most of his sacks seem to be either coverage sacks or sacks that fell into his lap. He rarely seems to blow up a lineman or make a good move.

The most disappointing thing is that he just doesn't seem that powerful.

Hate to say it, but I think we're going to regret letting Ford go. Like him or not, that dude was consistently up the QB's ass and disrupting plays.
I can't argue with most of this post. I can see it going either way. But the last part about Ford, I disagree. Ford is injured way too often. Not worth giving him a big contract.

O.city 10-03-2019 11:13 AM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">.<a href="https://twitter.com/Chiefs?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Chiefs</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/TheRealFrankC_?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TheRealFrankC_</a> is seeing a lot of double teams but he expects that and has a plan when he sees it; expectations are high when the wallet gets filled. The effort is their; the production has to be better. I think Frank knows that; needs a breakout game <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/BaldysBreakdowns?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#BaldysBreakdowns</a> <a href="https://t.co/fivyKTB8uj">pic.twitter.com/fivyKTB8uj</a></p>&mdash; Brian Baldinger (@BaldyNFL) <a href="https://twitter.com/BaldyNFL/status/1179805685099442179?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 3, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Aspengc8 10-03-2019 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 14496516)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">.<a href="https://twitter.com/Chiefs?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Chiefs</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/TheRealFrankC_?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TheRealFrankC_</a> is seeing a lot of double teams but he expects that and has a plan when he sees it; expectations are high when the wallet gets filled. The effort is their; the production has to be better. I think Frank knows that; needs a breakout game <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/BaldysBreakdowns?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#BaldysBreakdowns</a> <a href="https://t.co/fivyKTB8uj">pic.twitter.com/fivyKTB8uj</a></p>&mdash; Brian Baldinger (@BaldyNFL) <a href="https://twitter.com/BaldyNFL/status/1179805685099442179?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 3, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Good stuff by Baldy.

DJ's left nut 10-03-2019 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Aspengc8 (Post 14496656)
Good stuff by Baldy.
He shows, what, 8 plays there?

Clark got doubled once. And that was with a TE as the first point of engagement; someone he should be defeating fairly routinely. The first 'double' wasn't a double; the Chiefs sent 3 when Nnadi dropped into a short zone (weird) and the G had nobody to block so he found the nearest guy. Again, that's not a designed double - the defense wasn't planning for him there, it just happened that way. The 2nd to last play where the RB was chipping him is the only other play with 'designed' attention and it's tame compared to what great edge players regularly see.

Clark's not drawing an inordinate amount of attention, regardless of how badly people want it to be so. And nobody's questioned Frank Clark's effort - right now we're flat out questioning his ability.

Aspengc8 10-03-2019 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14496937)
He shows, what, 8 plays there?

Clark got doubled once. And that was with a TE as the first point of engagement; someone he should be defeating fairly routinely. The first 'double' wasn't a double; the Chiefs sent 3 when Nnadi dropped into a short zone (weird) and the G had nobody to block so he found the nearest guy. Again, that's not a designed double - the defense wasn't planning for him there, it just happened that way. The 2nd to last play where the RB was chipping him is the only other play with 'designed' attention and it's tame compared to what great edge players regularly see.

Clark's not drawing an inordinate amount of attention, regardless of how badly people want it to be so. And nobody's questioned Frank Clark's effort - right now we're flat out questioning his ability.
Yeah its only a small sample size show by Baldy. He had substantially more attention the first 3 games than vs the Lions, I've watched all the film. I could care less about the sacks as long as they are generating a rush with 4, his gap integrity vs the run worries me the most. He's not punching and getting into his gap at all, lineman are getting in close and holding their block. Either way he needs to play better.

dlphg9 10-03-2019 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14496937)
He shows, what, 8 plays there?

Clark got doubled once. And that was with a TE as the first point of engagement; someone he should be defeating fairly routinely. The first 'double' wasn't a double; the Chiefs sent 3 when Nnadi dropped into a short zone (weird) and the G had nobody to block so he found the nearest guy. Again, that's not a designed double - the defense wasn't planning for him there, it just happened that way. The 2nd to last play where the RB was chipping him is the only other play with 'designed' attention and it's tame compared to what great edge players regularly see.

Clark's not drawing an inordinate amount of attention, regardless of how badly people want it to be so. And nobody's questioned Frank Clark's effort - right now we're flat out questioning his ability.
The very last play on the video is really the only one that he looked half way decent and made Stafford rush his throw. On the play where he misses a sack I've seen people try using that as evidence that he played well and just missed the sack, but that's not the case at all. Stafford feels the pressure from the other side and saw that FC came down inside so Stafford booked it around the edge and almost ran into a sack. On the run play the RB starts up the middle, but Frank tries shooting inside and doesn't keep edge containment and gets hooked and that allows the RB to cut back and make a big run, because FC didn't do his job.

He looks weak. All of the times he tries to bullrush he becomes a non factor and is easily blocked by the OT. He doesn't look like the kind of guy that can over power the OL. He was trying to loop around the lineman, instead of taking a direct line towards him. I don't know if he will be able to produce like he did in SEA, because it looks like he needs alot of time to get a sack, since he tries to just run around the lineman or engage and spin.

RaidersOftheCellar 10-03-2019 05:46 PM
Frankly (pun intended), I’m tired of taking a pussified approach to these players. These overpaid MFs have had our support for decades and we have zip to show for it. We’re expected to continue to baby them and say atta kid, keep doing your best! **** that. Get your ass out there and play like your life depends on it. I’m betting he’d have more than one sack in that event.

And if you’re not strong enough to bull rush, get your ass into the gym and get yourself on a dedicated diet with a personal chef. If Christian ****ing Bale can transform from the machinist to Batman in mere months, you can add a little strength.

DTVietnam 10-03-2019 07:39 PM
Clowney is dominating while Frank Clark needs excuses and plays viewed under a microscope to find something hes doing well. .

Hammock Parties 10-03-2019 07:47 PM
I wonder if Clark's hand is more hurt than we know - the one he injured in camp.

kccrow 10-03-2019 08:20 PM
Clark is not getting the lineman's hands off him and he's getting controlled. He needs to with better technique and much more active hands. He's putting himself into awkward angles on the blocks he does get off. The one play he did get a hit on Stafford, he's lucky he didn't eat dirt before he got there. It's a him problem, not attention from additional blockers. I expect this shit from a rookie, not a guy getting paid $100m.

Hammock Parties 10-03-2019 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 14497560)
Clark is not getting the lineman's hands off him and he's getting controlled.
This might...literally...be because...of a bad hand.

This makes more sense to me than anything. The guy had as much production as Mack the last 35 games.

pugsnotdrugs19 10-03-2019 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 14497701)
This might...literally...be because...of a bad hand.

This makes more sense to me than anything. The guy had as much production as Mack the last 35 games.
Wouldn’t bet on it. Hasn’t wore a brace or anything on that wrist to my knowledge.

TEX 10-04-2019 12:42 AM
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Originally Posted by DTVietnam (Post 14497456)
Clowney is dominating while Frank Clark needs excuses and plays viewed under a microscope to find something hes doing well. .
Yep. And Clowney just got to Seattle... Thus far it appears that Clark is in no way worth the $$$ he's being paid and / or what it cost to acquire him.

RaidersOftheCellar 10-04-2019 05:36 AM
I didn’t realize that Ford led the league in pressures last year.

He may literally be the best pass rusher out there right now and we couldn’t get rid of him fast enough.

Spare me the offsides bit. I fault the crooked refs for that anyway. That normally gets a warning. Notice that the flag came out after the interception. Can’t let ol Tommy be denied of another SB appearance.

-King- 10-04-2019 06:01 AM
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Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar (Post 14498027)
I didn’t realize that Ford led the league in pressures last year.

He may literally be the best pass rusher out there right now and we couldn’t get rid of him fast enough.

Spare me the offsides bit. I fault the crooked refs for that anyway. That normally gets a warning. Notice that the flag came out after the interception. Can’t let ol Tommy be denied of another SB appearance.
The flag came out literally when the play started lol. It was 100% Ford's fault. I'm not going to blame someone else for something as simple as lining up right.

RealSNR 10-04-2019 06:24 AM
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Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar (Post 14498027)
I didn’t realize that Ford led the league in pressures last year.

He may literally be the best pass rusher out there right now and we couldn’t get rid of him fast enough.

Spare me the offsides bit. I fault the crooked refs for that anyway. That normally gets a warning. Notice that the flag came out after the interception. Can’t let ol Tommy be denied of another SB appearance.
No. He was offsides.

Dee Ford should die of gonorrhea and rot in hell.

Don Corlemahomes 10-04-2019 07:30 AM
If you watch his highlights from last year, Clark is a dramatically different player than he was in 2018. Either he has an undisclosed injury or his effort has plummeted. He'll set the edge when he needs to. Otherwise, he's just there.

RaidersOftheCellar 10-04-2019 07:32 AM
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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 14498032)
The flag came out literally when the play started lol. It was 100% Ford's fault. I'm not going to blame someone else for something as simple as lining up right.
Maybe multiple flags were thrown, but the one I saw was thrown right after the interception.

Regardless, if there were more Ford-quality players on that defense, they wouldn’t have been in that position. We were frankly lucky to not be down by a couple TDs at that point. The D couldn’t begin to slow them down all game and was fortunate that they made a few mistakes to keep it close.

Chiefnj2 10-04-2019 08:09 AM
Best bang for the buck on the DL is Ogbah.

Tribal Warfare 10-04-2019 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Don Corlemahomes (Post 14498092)
If you watch his highlights from last year, Clark is a dramatically different player than he was in 2018. Either he has an undisclosed injury or his effort has plummeted. He'll set the edge when he needs to. Otherwise, he's just there.
He has two Tommy John injuries on both elbows

dlphg9 10-04-2019 08:40 AM
BK on 610 (Easily the best talent on that station,the guy knows what he's talking about) gave a stat that Clark has a 2% QB pressure rate on snaps in which he rushed the passer. That's the lowest percent in the league for players with 100+ rushes.

dlphg9 10-04-2019 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 14498176)
He has two Tommy John injuries on both elbows
Or 4 Tommy John injuries on 2 elbows?

DJ's left nut 10-04-2019 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by dlphg9 (Post 14498194)
BK on 610 (Easily the best talent on that station,the guy knows what he's talking about) gave a stat that Clark has a 2% QB pressure rate on snaps in which he rushed the passer. That's the lowest percent in the league for players with 100+ rushes.
Just doin' his job...

RaidersOftheCellar 10-04-2019 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by dlphg9 (Post 14498194)
BK on 610 (Easily the best talent on that station,the guy knows what he's talking about) gave a stat that Clark has a 2% QB pressure rate on snaps in which he rushed the passer. That's the lowest percent in the league for players with 100+ rushes.
He was near the top in pressures last year.

MFer better pick it up.

Don Corlemahomes 10-04-2019 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 14498176)
He has two Tommy John injuries on both elbows
Didn't he play most of 2018 with UCL tears? I'm not saying it's not significant, but he hasn't been hindered by it in the past. Why now?

dlphg9 10-04-2019 10:25 AM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Alright, just re-watched every pass rush snap from Frank Clark against the Lions. <br><br>A quick breakdown of his pass rush snaps:<br>One-on-one: 18 snaps<br>Double teamed: 4 snaps<br>Stunts: 5 snaps<br>Chipped: 4 snaps</p>&mdash; Brandon Kiley (@BKSportsTalk) <a href="https://twitter.com/BKSportsTalk/status/1180153888500076544?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 4, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

SupDock 10-04-2019 11:11 AM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">2019 Edge Rushers<br><br>Dee Ford<br>PFF Grade: 17th-best of 105<br><br>Frank Clark<br>PFF Grade: 12th-worst of 105<br><br>Kansas City gave up a 2019 R1, a 2020 R2, and swapped 2019 R3s to pay Clark $19M more than Ford. <a href="https://t.co/vGCt3INLVb">https://t.co/vGCt3INLVb</a></p>&mdash; Scott Barrett (@ScottBarrettDFB) <a href="https://twitter.com/ScottBarrettDFB/status/1180096592088567809?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 4, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Tribal Warfare 10-04-2019 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Don Corlemahomes (Post 14498286)
Didn't he play most of 2018 with UCL tears? I'm not saying it's not significant, but he hasn't been hindered by it in the past. Why now?
Metric ****ton of painkillers and methamphetamine in a contract year

OKchiefs 10-04-2019 11:47 AM
So assuming he doesn't get a sack against one of the better OL in the NFL on Sunday, we'll be almost a third of the way through the season with 1 sack from this overpaid mother ****er. Another brilliant Brett Veach move.

ILChief 10-04-2019 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by SupDock (Post 14498483)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">2019 Edge Rushers<br><br>Dee Ford<br>PFF Grade: 17th-best of 105<br><br>Frank Clark<br>PFF Grade: 12th-worst of 105<br><br>Kansas City gave up a 2019 R1, a 2020 R2, and swapped 2019 R3s to pay Clark $19M more than Ford. <a href="https://t.co/vGCt3INLVb">https://t.co/vGCt3INLVb</a></p>&mdash; Scott Barrett (@ScottBarrettDFB) <a href="https://twitter.com/ScottBarrettDFB/status/1180096592088567809?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 4, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
PFF ranks mahomes as the sixth best QB this year

Megatron96 10-04-2019 12:29 PM
If Frank is going to have a break out game as a chiefs, this Sunday is the best time out of the last four games to get that done. I'm thinking a multiple sack game.

-King- 10-04-2019 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 14498665)
If Frank is going to have a break out game as a chiefs, this Sunday is the best time out of the last four games to get that done. I'm thinking a multiple sack game.
I think he'll have at least one. He seems to know the pressure is on him. Hopefully that gets him to perform to the level he's supposed to be producing at.

kccrow 10-04-2019 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 14497701)
This might...literally...be because...of a bad hand.

This makes more sense to me than anything. The guy had as much production as Mack the last 35 games.
More than probable that he does. Even when he bullrushes he seems to use one arm alot.

BigRedChief 10-04-2019 08:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SupDock (Post 14498483)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">2019 Edge Rushers<br><br>Dee Ford<br>PFF Grade: 17th-best of 105<br><br>Frank Clark<br>PFF Grade: 12th-worst of 105<br><br>Kansas City gave up a 2019 R1, a 2020 R2, and swapped 2019 R3s to pay Clark $19M more than Ford. <a href="https://t.co/vGCt3INLVb">https://t.co/vGCt3INLVb</a></p>&mdash; Scott Barrett (@ScottBarrettDFB) <a href="https://twitter.com/ScottBarrettDFB/status/1180096592088567809?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 4, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
LMAO the same ratings that say Mahomes is the 6th best QB in the NFL. GTFO

Pitt Gorilla 10-04-2019 09:56 PM
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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 14499698)
LMAO the same ratings that say Mahomes is the 6th best QB in the NFL. GTFO
I imagine they use different metrics for QBs. Call it a hunch.

Simply Red 10-04-2019 10:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 14450379)
Thanks. Clark is going to have 4 sacks next week.
NAILED IT!!

Hammock Parties 10-04-2019 10:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Simply Red (Post 14499824)
NAILED IT!!
<iframe width="507" height="380" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/-K7fCQlUhj0" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Titty Meat 10-04-2019 10:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ILChief (Post 14498583)
PFF ranks mahomes as the sixth best QB this year
This. They are fake news

Hammock Parties 10-04-2019 11:12 PM
hmmm

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Seahawks defensive end Frank Clark working back from offseason wrist surgery <a href="https://t.co/AMAnAp15bN">https://t.co/AMAnAp15bN</a></p>&mdash; ProFootballTalk (@ProFootballTalk) <a href="https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/status/1022675032479227905?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 27, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


Clark said later on his Twitter account that he had broken bones in both of his hands last season and could have had surgery during the season to address the issue. However, it would have kept him out 8 to 10 weeks while recovering.

SDChiefs 10-04-2019 11:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 14499885)
hmmm

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Seahawks defensive end Frank Clark working back from offseason wrist surgery <a href="https://t.co/AMAnAp15bN">https://t.co/AMAnAp15bN</a></p>&mdash; ProFootballTalk (@ProFootballTalk) <a href="https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/status/1022675032479227905?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 27, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


Clark said later on his Twitter account that he had broken bones in both of his hands last season and could have had surgery during the season to address the issue. However, it would have kept him out 8 to 10 weeks while recovering.
So he decided to sign a major contract with us and play like shit while he rehabbed?

Hammock Parties 10-05-2019 12:52 AM
no

dude might have chronic wrist problems

jjchieffan 10-05-2019 07:46 AM
Time to put this broken record on ignore. I'm not happy with Clark's performance so far either. But it's better than seeing a bunch of whiners go on and on about it.

Tribal Warfare 10-05-2019 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by SDChiefs (Post 14499910)
So he decided to sign a major contract with us and play like shit while he rehabbed?
Cycled off PEDs and pain meds

-King- 10-05-2019 12:01 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jjchieffan (Post 14500017)
Time to put this broken record on ignore. I'm not happy with Clark's performance so far either. But it's better than seeing a bunch of whiners go on and on about it.
I bet the fact that you're forced to click on this thread makes it even worse huh?

lewdog 10-05-2019 12:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jjchieffan (Post 14500017)
Time to put this broken record on ignore. I'm not happy with Clark's performance so far either. But it's better than seeing a bunch of whiners go on and on about it.
Kind of like turning off signatures so you don’t see the reeruned stuff some of you have posted in them.

Chief Northman 10-05-2019 12:50 PM
He just needs a couple Q bracelets and some copper gear that Brett Favre and Jerry Rice use in their touch football hustle....

In58men 10-06-2019 06:49 PM
He’s a ****ing joke.

Slow and no hustle

comochiefsfan 10-06-2019 06:50 PM
He got his contract and now he’s mailing it in.

Great ****ing job Veach.

In58men 10-06-2019 06:55 PM
Watkins and Clark are straight ****ing junk

MahiMike 10-06-2019 08:04 PM
Frank is having a good game tonight. Seriously.

Chris Meck 10-06-2019 08:05 PM
sample size is getting larger.

jjjayb 10-06-2019 08:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MahiMike (Post 14504532)
Frank is having a good game tonight. Seriously.
Guess we're watching different games. I've watched him consistently get his shit pushed in while being single teamed. He looks weak.

ChiefsCountry 10-06-2019 08:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MahiMike (Post 14504532)
Frank is having a good game tonight. Seriously.
He actually is. But if he doesn't put up a DT 7 sack game he sucks /cp

BossChief 10-06-2019 08:37 PM
Saunders has bee in for Jones

comochiefsfan 10-06-2019 08:42 PM
He sucks and he’s also a broke dick?

Great.

suzzer99 10-06-2019 08:43 PM
He clearly made a business decision to stop taking PEDs. Either that or the NFC is pillow soft.

I'm eagerly awaiting the 2020 pre-seaon puff pieces about "Frank Clark has retooled and is going to bounce back this year".

With themes like - "Spags has some new plans on how to use him that take advantage of his unique skills." As if we didn't all just watch Clark lose every one on one matchup for an entire year.

jonzie04 10-06-2019 08:44 PM
Got plastered

jonzie04 10-06-2019 08:45 PM
Wrong thread

Monkey God 10-06-2019 08:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 14504563)
He actually is. But if he doesn't put up a DT 7 sack game he sucks /cp
And the Chiefs still lost that game.

suzzer99 10-06-2019 08:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MahiMike (Post 14504532)
Frank is having a good game tonight. Seriously.
I've been watching him on every play. 90% of the time he bull rushes, gets some penetration, then eventually gets pushed out of the play. Half the time Brisset runs into the empty spaced left over when Clark gets pushed back.

suzzer99 10-06-2019 08:48 PM
And even Colquitt sucks now.

candyman 10-06-2019 08:57 PM
Shitty trade and overpaid an overrated player. Chiefs way.

TomBarndtsTwin 10-06-2019 09:01 PM
He’s not sucking right now!




Of course, he’s not on the field . . . . . :(y

RealSNR 10-06-2019 09:20 PM
He makes one good play per game. Gets washed out of all the others. Or injured.

That's ****ing it. I'm completely sober this time.

He officially sucks AIDS.

What a goddamn ****ing trade. Holy horse shit, Brett. You butt****ing moron. We needed every single ****ing thing to go right during this era in order to prepare for the Mahomes extension and you did the worst thing you could possibly ****ing do. You pissed away draft picks AND overpaid the **** out of a worthless starter.

We would have been far better off getting rid of Ford and just keeping the DEs and draft picks we had.

**** YOU, VEACH.

And and extra special **** YOU to Frank Clark.

Either learn to properly get the inside edge on your blocker or ****ing die in a ****ing AIDS fire you piece of shit.


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