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staylor26 04-27-2020 02:26 PM
Lol yea because we have to worry about Andy Reid “using this kid right”.

Mecca 04-27-2020 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Sorce (Post 14939543)
That's when you say I can't wait till you aren't here anymore, you dumb bitch.
It's really frustrating like he never use to say shit like that and the minute he had a kid everything he used to think changed and he got holier than thou.

ToxSocks 04-27-2020 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14939586)
Lol yea because we have to worry about Andy Reid “using this kid right”.
Considering one of his strengths in running inside, Ubeja misses again.

Chargem 04-27-2020 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 14939407)
I think everyone else thinks the Chiefs need a CB way worse than they do, also it's become pretty obvious that with Spags and Sam Madison they like these guys with peak athletic traits that they can work with.
I think people are stuck in the Bob Sutton mentality, where a defense basically has to have 11 more talented guys than the offense to win, and if a guy isn't good enough he gets shat on repeatedly by an offense targeting him as a weakness.

Spags willingness to bring pressure and also to use deception in coverages makes a corners life much easier, just gotta have guys play as a team to be able to operate the system rather than have superstars who can just shut a guy down.

Can't remember where I saw the video, but I was watching something about how the Eagles built their superbowl team, and it was expensive at safety where players have to be better at multiple responsibilities, and cheap at corner.

St. Patty's Fire 04-27-2020 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99 (Post 14938074)
Kollman actually ruined a couple of the Chiefs podcasts I follow. I still like the guys, but from an analysis POV I realized they don't know jack shit. With Kollman I feel like we're almost getting to the level that active NFL coaches talk about plays and players. Either that or he's just way way better at sounding smart than my podcast guys.

Any more recommendations of guys like Kollman out there are appreciated.
The QB school is the best

Pitt Gorilla 04-27-2020 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Chargem (Post 14939596)
I think people are stuck in the Bob Sutton mentality, where a defense basically has to have 11 more talented guys than the offense to win, and if a guy isn't good enough he gets shat on repeatedly by an offense targeting him as a weakness.

Spags willingness to bring pressure and also to use deception in coverages makes a corners life much easier, just gotta have guys play as a team to be able to operate the system rather than have superstars who can just shut a guy down.

Can't remember where I saw the video, but I was watching something about how the Eagles built their superbowl team, and it was expensive at safety where players have to be better at multiple responsibilities, and cheap at corner.
Spags system requires the players to be smart above all else. That would scare the crap out of me if I didn't trust the coaches in bringing in their guys.

Also, Kareem Hunt is on TV right now showing everyone how CEH could fit into this offense.

Ubeja Vontell 04-27-2020 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14939586)
Lol yea because we have to worry about Andy Reid “using this kid right”.
He wasn't brought in to bang the line, he was the first pick to add more versatility to the offense. Anyone can...bang!

Ubeja Vontell 04-27-2020 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 14939595)
Considering one of his strengths in running inside, Ubeja misses again.
How about we wait and see what happens, ok? Kid is 208 not 228.

ToxSocks 04-27-2020 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Ubeja Vontell (Post 14939634)
How about we wait and see what happens, ok? Kid is 208 not 228.
So you have to be a heavy back to win in short yardage situations?

LMAO

I mean...i could listen to the general manager who drafted him & my own eyes....or you...someone who's demonstrated they have no idea what they're talking about.

Ubeja Vontell 04-27-2020 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 14939638)
So you have to be a heavy back to win in short yardage situations?

LMAO

I mean...i could listen to the general manager who drafted him & my own eyes....or you...someone who's demonstrated they have no idea what they're talking about.
Yes you do have to be a....heavy back....to win "consistently" at short yardage situations. That is why Jerome Bettis, John Riggins, Larry Csonka are in the HOF with 3.9 average. You don't use a 208pound cat like a fullback.

Thunder & Lightning.....ya know? Csonka & Mercury Morris, Morris banging...nay!!!!!!!!!!!

Rookies, sheesh!!!!

Megatron96 04-27-2020 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Ubeja Vontell (Post 14939631)
He wasn't brought in to bang the line, he was the first pick to add more versatility to the offense. Anyone can...bang!
No, sorry but this is just not the case.

Sure, any JAG can just run themselves into the line, but that's not the point.

The idea is to consistently get those "dirty" yards. To find a way to get 2, 3, 4 yards when there is no hole, when the blocking has broken down against good/great defensive fronts.

We all like to watch a guy run for 50-80 yards and a TD; it's great fun. But that's not what even great backs do most of the time. Great backs find a way to consistently get yards that 90% of the other backs can't or don't get.

Take Marcus Allen for example. By the time he came to the Chiefs he didn't really have that long speed anymore. But he was the best in the league at converting short yardage situations. IIRC, on 3rd/4th and 2 yards or less he converted at a league-best 98%.

So in situations when the opposing team knew that Marcus was getting the ball, he converted those downs anyway 98 times out of 100. And that's a big part of what made him great. Not however many long runs he had with the Chiefs, because there weren't that many.

If this kid can convert those short yardage situations to score at the goal-line or salt away the clock at the end of a game, as well as put us in 2nd and 5 yards or less situations, he'll be worth that first round pick, no question. His pass-catching ability and inevitable crazy gizmo runs will just be icing on the cake.

dirk digler 04-27-2020 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 14939668)
No, sorry but this is just not the case.

Sure, any JAG can just run themselves into the line, but that's not the point.

The idea is to consistently get those "dirty" yards. To find a way to get 2, 3, 4 yards when there is no hole, when the blocking has broken down against good/great defensive fronts.

We all like to watch a guy run for 50-80 yards and a TD; it's great fun. But that's not what even great backs do most of the time. Great backs find a way to consistently get yards that 90% of the other backs can't or don't get.

Take Marcus Allen for example. By the time he came to the Chiefs he didn't really have that long speed anymore. But he was the best in the league at converting short yardage situations. IIRC, on 3rd/4th and 2 yards or less he converted at a league-best 98%.

So in situations when the opposing team knew that Marcus was getting the ball, he converted those downs anyway 98 times out of 100. And that's a big part of what made him great. Not however many long runs he had with the Chiefs, because there weren't that many.

If this kid can convert those short yardage situations to score at the goal-line or salt away the clock at the end of a game, as well as put us in 2nd and 5 yards or less situations, he'll be worth that first round pick, no question. His pass-catching ability and inevitable crazy gizmo runs will just be icing on the cake.

Yeah I was about to say Marcus Allen was the best short yardage back I have ever seen, even to this day.

Ubeja Vontell 04-27-2020 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 14939668)
No, sorry but this is just not the case.

Sure, any JAG can just run themselves into the line, but that's not the point.

The idea is to consistently get those "dirty" yards. To find a way to get 2, 3, 4 yards when there is no hole, when the blocking has broken down against good/great defensive fronts.

We all like to watch a guy run for 50-80 yards and a TD; it's great fun. But that's not what even great backs do most of the time. Great backs find a way to consistently get yards that 90% of the other backs can't or don't get.

Take Marcus Allen for example. By the time he came to the Chiefs he didn't really have that long speed anymore. But he was the best in the league at converting short yardage situations. IIRC, on 3rd/4th and 2 yards or less he converted at a league-best 98%.

So in situations when the opposing team knew that Marcus was getting the ball, he converted those downs anyway 98 times out of 100. And that's a big part of what made him great. Not however many long runs he had with the Chiefs, because there weren't that many.

If this kid can convert those short yardage situations to score at the goal-line or salt away the clock at the end of a game, as well as put us in 2nd and 5 yards or less situations, he'll be worth that first round pick, no question. His pass-catching ability and inevitable crazy gizmo runs will just be icing on the cake.
Tell ya what. let's See how long the kid goes before some injury if he's used as a bell cow RB a 225 pounder. This kid is all about quicks, agility, make ya miss, so you....bang.....hell no!!!!!!

Watch what happens if he becomes just another RB, he's special so use him that way.

Ubeja Vontell 04-27-2020 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 14939685)
Yeah I was about to say Marcus Allen was the best short yardage back I have ever seen, even to this day.
Allen was 6-2 210 and defenses were smaller in his day.

ForeverIowan 04-27-2020 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Ubeja Vontell (Post 14939570)
i do hope they use the kid right, not a fan of line banging for him. Get him on the edges, out in space.

Kid has some serious quicks, use that talent, Williams can bang for 3.
Banging for three is exactly why they drafted CEH (in addition to numerous other reasons). Veach personally said on far too many occasions last year they should have had a rush of 7-8 yards when everything was blocked up but instead gains of only 2-3. CEH will get Mahomes in 2nd and short with all of his playmakers. That is your money making down right there!

CEH isnt some gadget third down back. He is an every down back that will improve our run game drastically.

dirk digler 04-27-2020 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Ubeja Vontell (Post 14939694)
Allen was 6-2 210 and defenses were smaller in his day.
You said this "Yes you do have to be a....heavy back....to win "consistently" at short yardage situations."

But those guys were 235+, Marcus wasn't and he is the same weight as CEH albeit taller obviously.

CEH will be fine.

Ubeja Vontell 04-27-2020 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by ForeverIowan (Post 14939720)
Banging for three is exactly why they drafted CEH (in addition to numerous other reasons). Veach personally said on far too many occasions last year they should have had a rush of 7-8 yards when everything was blocked up but instead gains of only 2-3. CEH will get Mahomes in 2nd and short with all of his playmakers. That is your money making down right there!

CEH isnt some gadget third down back. He is an every down back that will improve our run game drastically.
I guess it's......let's see what happens......time then. I want a bigger less expensive cat doing the WHAM.

Ubeja Vontell 04-27-2020 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 14939727)
You said this "Yes you do have to be a....heavy back....to win "consistently" at short yardage situations."

But those guys were 235+, Marcus wasn't and he is the same weight as CEH albeit taller obviously.

CEH will be fine.
Marcus Allen like Barry Sanders was ....unique.

Megatron96 04-27-2020 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Ubeja Vontell (Post 14939748)
Marcus Allen like Barry Sanders was ....unique.
Oh come on, Allen wasn't that unique. He wasn't especially big or strong or fast (4.59 40) or have Barry's quicks. He was blessed with high football IQ, great balance, and he had great vision. In short yardage he had great patience coupled with a hair trigger burst into whatever crease he eventually found to convert.

And there have been plenty of guys that were great inside that weren't 230+ lbs.

Curtis Martin, LaDainlian, Thurman Thomas, Tony Dorsett . . .

Kiimo 04-27-2020 03:50 PM
CEH is unique. That's why the Chiefs drafted him. One of the ways in which he is unique is finding daylight between the tackles inside with otherworldly vision and elusiveness.


Ubeja doesn't watch film or listen when he is constantly proven wrong. It's like arguing with my uncle the Oklahoma chicken farmer about politics.

Pitt Gorilla 04-27-2020 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 14939616)
Spags system requires the players to be smart above all else. That would scare the crap out of me if I didn't trust the coaches in bringing in their guys.

Also, Kareem Hunt is on TV right now showing everyone how CEH could fit into this offense.
Again, if you watch what they did with Kareem Hunt, you can see CEH in this offense. NFL Network right now.

BryanBusby 04-27-2020 03:53 PM
I don't know about chicken farmer, but Ubeja is certainly a chicken ****er.

Ubeja Vontell 04-27-2020 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 14939777)
Oh come on, Allen wasn't that unique. He wasn't especially big or strong or fast (4.69 40) or have Barry's quicks. He was blessed with high football IQ, great balance, and he had great vision. in shot yardage he had great patience coupled with a hair trigger burst into whatever crease he eventually found to convert.

And there have been plenty of guys that were great inside that weren't 230+ lbs.

Curtis Martin, LaDainlian, Thurman Thomas, Tony Dorsett . . .
All the HOF RB's are unique, that is why so few make it. And all those you mentioned are in the HOF. i don't use HOFers to compare to rookies.

Ok, let's see what happens.

ForeverIowan 04-27-2020 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Ubeja Vontell (Post 14939745)
I guess it's......let's see what happens......time then. I want a bigger less expensive cat doing the WHAM.
Extremely hard to find a guy that can "WHAM" like MJD but also catch like Darren Sproles. Just wait and see.

Ubeja Vontell 04-27-2020 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Kiimosabi (Post 14939783)
CEH is unique. That's why the Chiefs drafted him. One of the ways in which he is unique is finding daylight between the tackles inside with otherworldly vision and elusiveness.


Ubeja doesn't watch film or listen when he is constantly proven wrong. It's like arguing with my uncle the Oklahoma chicken farmer about politics.
WHOA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Where have I been proven wrong? How about ya slow down with that until we see what actually happens, ok?

Show me this...CONSTANTLY...proven wrong since no football has been played.

Nobody is unique until they excell vs NFL competition.

O.city 04-27-2020 03:58 PM
Schefter picked him as early rookie of the year

Easy 6 04-27-2020 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 14939808)
Schefter picked him as early rookie of the year
Let’s just wait and... SEE... ok, guy?

RustShack 04-27-2020 04:03 PM
He is basically a WR out of the backfield. Just another big weapon for Mahomes. He will be used like Westbrook and more currently McCaffery.

Ubeja Vontell 04-27-2020 04:06 PM
Look guys....

They passed on a 228 pound workhorse with 4.3 jets because CEH is more versatile, he can do more. Ok, so use that versatility which is why he is there. Any RB can hit between the tackles, so ya gamble using your smallish/most expensive/most valuable RB in that role? Hell no ya don't, not saying he never...wham....am saying that isn't why he's in there.

Come on people, damn!!!!!!!!

Easy 6 04-27-2020 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 14939818)
He is basically a WR out of the backfield. Just another big weapon for Mahomes. He will be used like Westbrook and more currently McCaffery.
You can also line him up in the slot, we basically got two starters with one pick... Andy is gonna take his mad scientist game to a whole nother level with this guy

Skyy God 04-27-2020 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Ubeja Vontell (Post 14939819)
Look guys....

They passed on a 228 pound workhorse with 4.3 jets because CEH is more versatile, he can do more. Ok, so use that versatility which is why he is there. Any RB can hit between the tackles, so ya gamble using your smallish/most expensive/most valuable RB in that role? Hell no ya don't, not saying he never...wham....am saying that isn't why he's in there.

Come on people, damn!!!!!!!!
Keep screaming into the void, you crazy contrarian.

BryanBusby 04-27-2020 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Cave Johnson (Post 14939824)
Keep screaming into the void, you crazy contrarian.
Hey skippy, LOOK, at my really bad opinion

kccrow 04-27-2020 04:12 PM
After reading these last couple pages of Ubeja, I'll never call Dane clueless again... holy mother of god.

Ubeja Vontell 04-27-2020 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Cave Johnson (Post 14939824)
Keep screaming into the void, you crazy contrarian.
How many football fans believe.....don't take a RB in the first round, you do not pay these guys 1st round....$$$$$$$.

Well?

You have any idea at all how many had Taylor going to the Chiefs IF we did pick a RB?

Well?

Not wanting to see our GREAT TO BE RB hurt because he was creamed by a backer between the tackles is unusual.....really?

Just a serious fan who wants the best for the team.

Ubeja Vontell 04-27-2020 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 14939831)
After reading these last couple pages of Ubeja, I'll never call Dane clueless again... holy mother of god.
And when it all comes down just like I said it would.:D

Seen a lot of football.

Warrick 04-27-2020 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 14939822)
You can also line him up in the slot, we basically got two starters with one pick... Andy is gonna take his mad scientist game to a whole nother level with this guy
Yeah, I was watching some of his H.S. video vs College, where he was used as a receiver more at times... The kid can catch, some of these wheel routes that the Chiefs used for Hunt in the past would benefit CEH's game greatly.

kccrow 04-27-2020 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Ubeja Vontell (Post 14939839)
And when it all comes down just like I said it would.:D

Seen a lot of football.
Yeah umm. I dunno if I've ever even seen a football. Heard it's round though.








Since I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night, I'll venture to say your boy Jon will have a nice little career for himself that won't amount to shit as far as the end-game is concerned and he'll probably contribute heftily to that by putting the ball on the ground often.

FAX 04-27-2020 04:28 PM
Clyde is a hell of a receiver.

He will be devastating in the slot. He can set up the coverage 'backer or safety on Choice Routes once he and Mahomes develop some of that Kelce-Mahomes ESP.

I will also be interested to see Wally use him on the Jet Sweep and the Shovel Pass.

Personally, I would love to see a play in which he transitions from a typical, classic RB Motion into a quick-snap Jet. "Surprise, defense! You just got your ass handed to you!"

FAX

Ubeja Vontell 04-27-2020 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 14939849)
Yeah umm. I dunno if I've ever even seen a football. Heard it's round though.








Since I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night, I'll venture to say your boy Jon will have a nice little career for himself that won't amount to shit as far as the end-game is concerned and he'll probably contribute heftily to that by putting the ball on the ground often.
I expect to see my boy Jon putting up monstrous numbers in Indy, as he runs away from defenders.....TOUCHDOWN!!!!!!!!!!!

CEH will be everything we wanted.

Skyy God 04-27-2020 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Ubeja Vontell (Post 14939862)
I expect to see my boy Jon putting up monstrous numbers in Indy, as he runs away from defenders.....TOUCHDOWN!!!!!!!!!!!

CEH will be everything we wanted.
Go root for the Colts, boomer.

Bearcat 04-27-2020 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Ubeja Vontell (Post 14939862)
I expect to see my boy Jon putting up monstrous numbers in Indy, as he runs away from defenders.....TOUCHDOWN!!!!!!!!!!!

CEH will be everything we wanted.
Dude, let it go... you have 20 more posts than the 2nd most in this thread and 3 times as much as #3, it's just opinion spamming at this point.

Ubeja Vontell 04-27-2020 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Cave Johnson (Post 14939867)
Go root for the Colts, boomer.
**** the Colts, life long Texan/Chiefs fan here who has seen every RB they have ever had, hell...Herman Heard. BUT....Barry Sanders was amazing, Randy Moss incredible, so I need to be a Lions/Vikes fan.....really?

Ubeja Vontell 04-27-2020 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 14939873)
Dude, let it go... you have 20 more posts than the 2nd most in this thread and 3 times as much as #3, it's just opinion spamming at this point.
See ya~~~~~~~

OrtonsPiercedTaint 04-27-2020 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Ubeja Vontell (Post 14939883)
See ya~~~~~~~
Future Mahomo. Do you get a prescription for Mary jane

Sassy Squatch 04-27-2020 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 14939873)
Dude, let it go... you have 20 more posts than the 2nd most in this thread and 3 times as much as #3, it's just opinion spamming at this point.
Which one of you let that chuckle **** out of the Romper Room? They deserve a good old Chiefsplanet dogpile for that horrific decision.

JakeF 04-27-2020 05:16 PM
Field Yates
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@FieldYates
LSU RB Clyde Edwards-Helaire is the only player in SEC history with 1,000+ rushing yards and 50+ receptions in a single season.

A crazy stat to consider when factoring in that the SEC has had 95 RB drafted to the NFL just since 2000, including 15 first rounders.

JakeF 04-27-2020 05:17 PM
Tom Pelissero
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@TomPelissero
One coach told me new #Chiefs RB Clyde Edwards-Helaire was the best player he saw on tape in this draft:
"He's such a playmaker. He’s a good ball-carrier, but his value in the pass game is pretty substantial. He never gets tackled by the first guy."

Coochie liquor 04-27-2020 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Ubeja Vontell (Post 14939878)
**** the Colts, life long Texan/Chiefs fan here who has seen every RB they have ever had, hell...Herman Heard. BUT....Barry Sanders was amazing, Randy Moss incredible, so I need to be a Lions/Vikes fan.....really?
No you need to chug a ****ing gallon of bleach with an antifreeze chaser you annoying ass child. I can’t wait for the moment the mods decide to put your dumb ass back in the RR.

Chieftain 04-27-2020 05:24 PM
To me CEH will have a huge impact in the team's success in the following years. This guy is built to play in big games. I honestly believe we are winning at the very least 3 Super Bowls with him on the starting roster.

Pitt Gorilla 04-27-2020 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Coochie liquor (Post 14939926)
No you need to chug a ****ing gallon of bleach with an antifreeze chaser you annoying ass child. I can’t wait for the moment the mods decide to put your dumb ass back in the RR.
Might help with the covid. :shrug:

JakeF 04-27-2020 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by e3263518 (Post 14939934)
To me CEH will have a huge impact in the team's success in the following years. This guy is built to play in big games. I honestly believe we are winning at the very least 3 Super Bowls with him on the starting roster.
I'm pretty sure the stats say you're wrong.

Every carry he takes is a play he takes from Mahomes.
Every catch he makes is a catch taken from Kelce/Hill/Watkins
Every salary cap dollar he takes up is away from a more important position

When you have an elite QB, an RB is not really an important addition


Not my opinion, what the stat nerds say.

nychief 04-27-2020 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by JakeF (Post 14939945)
I'm pretty sure the stats say you're wrong.

Every carry he takes is a possession he takes from Mahomes.
Every catch he makes is a catch taken from Kelce/Hill/Watkins
Every salary cap dollar he takes up is away from a more important position

When you have an elite QB, an RB is not really an important addition


Not my opinion, what the stat nerds say.
This seems myopic, in my opinion. He'll be able to attack the soft underbelly of defenses as third/forth options...

I mean the only way to stop Pat is to bring heat, hit him and beat him up... how great will it be to have a dynamic pass catching back available to bail out to when the blitzes rain down? I just don't see a downside.... I think Reid sees Marshall Faulk in St. Louis.

Pitt Gorilla 04-27-2020 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by JakeF (Post 14939945)
I'm pretty sure the stats say you're wrong.

Every carry he takes is a possession he takes from Mahomes.
Every catch he makes is a catch taken from Kelce/Hill/Watkins
Every salary cap dollar he takes up is away from a more important position

When you have an elite QB, an RB is not really an important addition


Not my opinion, what the stat nerds say.
Every carry takes away an entire possession? How the **** does that happen?

staylor26 04-27-2020 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by JakeF (Post 14939945)
I'm pretty sure the stats say you're wrong.

Every carry he takes is a possession he takes from Mahomes.
Every catch he makes is a catch taken from Kelce/Hill/Watkins
Every salary cap dollar he takes up is away from a more important position

When you have an elite QB, an RB is not really an important addition


Not my opinion, what the stat nerds say.
:facepalm:

JakeF 04-27-2020 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 14939963)
Every carry takes away an entire possession? How the **** does that happen?
It's just me ****ing up the word.

It's supposed to say Play Not Possession

RustShack 04-27-2020 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by JakeF (Post 14939945)
I'm pretty sure the stats say you're wrong.

Every carry he takes is a possession he takes from Mahomes.
Every catch he makes is a catch taken from Kelce/Hill/Watkins
Every salary cap dollar he takes up is away from a more important position

When you have an elite QB, an RB is not really an important addition


Not my opinion, what the stat nerds say.
He’s not making some crazy amount of money. We return most of our starters from a Super Bowl winning team. Most people seem to forget a lot of Mahomes big statistical games came when he had a real threat at RB, now he may have that again, but also a threat to still catch the ball and take it the distance too.

VAGOMO 4 LIFE! 04-27-2020 05:42 PM
Clyde jersey number is 25. I’m glad Thornhill got to keep #22

Pitt Gorilla 04-27-2020 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 14939972)
He’s not making some crazy amount of money. We return most of our starters from a Super Bowl winning team. Most people seem to forget a lot of Mahomes big statistical games came when he had a real threat at RB, now he may have that again, but also a threat to still catch the ball and take it the distance too.
Kareem killed it with the Chiefs O.

Bearcat 04-27-2020 05:48 PM
I don't know why ya'll don't just thumbs-down posts into oblivion* and move on... WTF would anyone want to attempt rationalization against "every time you give it to one really talented guy, another talented guy isn't getting the ball!", much less someone else opinion spamming the thread as long as people keep replying.

Not advocating for rep-war style BS, but still...



(*go ahead, just do it and get it over with....)

JakeF 04-27-2020 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 14939979)
Kareem killed it with the Chiefs O.
You couldn't find a better fit for our offense than CEH so he should be productive. I bet he kills it running the wheel route that Andy loves so much.

JakeF 04-27-2020 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 14939991)
Not advocating for rep-war style BS, but still...
Actually, that's exactly what you're doing. I guess opinions are now regulated on CP.

VAGOMO 4 LIFE! 04-27-2020 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by JakeF (Post 14939992)
You couldn't find a better fit for our offense than CEH so he should be productive. I bet he kills it running the wheel route that Andy loves so much.
If he can be just as half as good as Charles ever was, we have a steal

BryanBusby 04-27-2020 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by JakeF (Post 14939994)
Actually, that's exactly what you're doing. I guess opinions are now regulated on CP.
Now?????? Dumbassery has been regulated for a long time.

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TambaBerry 04-27-2020 09:11 PM
The chiefs don't pass the ball every ****ing play you God damn idiot. Veach said it himself, "instead of running into a a wall and having a 2nd and 8 we've got a guy who can get you into 2nd and 3 type situation that will open up the offense to be able to take shots. I swear this Jake guy has to be trolling

RealSNR 04-27-2020 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 14939991)
I don't know why ya'll don't just thumbs-down posts into oblivion* and move on... WTF would anyone want to attempt rationalization against "every time you give it to one really talented guy, another talented guy isn't getting the ball!", much less someone else opinion spamming the thread as long as people keep replying.

Not advocating for rep-war style BS, but still...



(*go ahead, just do it and get it over with....)
Yeah!!!! Rep war! Bearcat is the coolest mod!

Bowser 04-27-2020 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 14940301)
Yeah!!!! Rep war! Bearcat is the coolest mod!
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Stryker 04-27-2020 09:43 PM
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Originally Posted by JakeF (Post 14939945)
I'm pretty sure the stats say you're wrong.

Every carry he takes is a play he takes from Mahomes.
Every catch he makes is a catch taken from Kelce/Hill/Watkins
Every salary cap dollar he takes up is away from a more important position

When you have an elite QB, an RB is not really an important addition


Not my opinion, what the stat nerds say.
Ok, BECAUSE you state that the "draft nerds" claim this, let me enlighten you - this selection was the VERY BEST selection the Chiefs made. You and them, have NEVER watched an LSU 2019 game and have no clue what the Chiefs received in CEH. But, sit back with your opinions of draft failure until you see what we drafted in the first round ON THE FIELD! Haters just want to hate :# If you are even remotely close to being a "Chiefs" fan, how could you side with such BULLSHIT? Answer me that ?

Stryker 04-27-2020 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by JakeF (Post 14939992)
You couldn't find a better fit for our offense than CEH so he should be productive. I bet he kills it running the wheel route that Andy loves so much.
Are you that ****ing stupid? WE HAVE A LEGITIMATE 2 headed monster in the RB's. You are a true work of art. MORE WEAPONS = more offensive options. Jesus just go be a Bills fan already - shit head!

Hog's Gone Fishin 04-27-2020 10:12 PM
2018 Mahomes threw for 50 TDs and 5000 yards

Kareem Hunt had 1202 total yards and 14 TDs in 11 games

824 rushing and 378 receiving

CEH is going to be better than Hunt.

Chieftain 04-27-2020 10:29 PM
Reading other team boards, many fans are pissed we got CEH. They hoped he would land in the second and teams would pass on him. That alone tells you we made the right pick.

VAGOMO 4 LIFE! 04-27-2020 10:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Hog's Gone Fishin (Post 14940378)
2018 Mahomes threw for 50 TDs and 5000 yards

Kareem Hunt had 1202 total yards and 14 TDs in 11 games

824 rushing and 378 receiving

CEH is going to be better than Hunt.
Eh idk if CEH will be better than Hunt running the ball. Receiving wise yes he will be

RealSNR 04-27-2020 10:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 14940303)
Bring tags back and we'll talk!

RealSNR 04-27-2020 11:05 PM
Guys, we ****ed up.

Damien Williams shouldn't have had two TDs in the Super Bowl. Those are two TDs that could have gone to Kelce/Hill/Watkins

suzzer99 04-28-2020 12:09 AM
Wtf is a bellcow in terms of RBs?

Halfcan 04-28-2020 12:24 AM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99 (Post 14940509)
Wtf is a bellcow in terms of RBs?
It is a RB that can "Moooove" the chains for a first down.

Halfcan 04-28-2020 12:32 AM
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Originally Posted by JakeF (Post 14939945)
I'm pretty sure the stats say you're wrong.

Every carry he takes is a play he takes from Mahomes.
Every catch he makes is a catch taken from Kelce/Hill/Watkins
Every salary cap dollar he takes up is away from a more important position

When you have an elite QB, an RB is not really an important addition


Not my opinion, what the stat nerds say.
You do realize that a team is not stuck with a finite amount of downs right. If a team gets a First down- they are awarded 4 More downs. The more First downs you get- the better chance to score points.

So if you have a back like CEH that can pull first downs out of his hat like a magician- the offense is going to have More chances to score.

Did the draft nerds watch this offense struggle with short-yardage pickups for a majority of the season last year? If you Punt- you do not get more plays.

I hope that helps. First downs are Good on Offense- Punts are Bad.

ChiefsFanatic 04-28-2020 04:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 14939638)
So you have to be a heavy back to win in short yardage situations?



LMAO
I know, right? Was Marcus Allen a good short yardage back? Yep. How about Walter Payton? Yep. Priest Holmes? Yep. Barry Sanders? Yep. None of them were big backs. Marcus Allen was slender too, and could pick up 2-3 yards even when the entire defense knew he was getting the ball.

The days of Christian Okoye and Ron Dayne are pretty much over in the NFL.

CEH is going to take this offense back to the level they were playing at with Hunt, and by the end of the year our offense will be beyond even that.



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Dante84 04-28-2020 06:12 AM
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Originally Posted by ChiefsFanatic (Post 14940597)
I know, right? Was Marcus Allen a good short yardage back? Yep. How about Walter Payton? Yep. Priest Holmes? Yep. Barry Sanders? Yep. None of them were big backs. Marcus Allen was slender too, and could pick up 2-3 yards even when the entire defense knew he was getting the ball.

The days of Christian Okoye and Ron Dayne are pretty much over in the NFL.

CEH is going to take this offense back to the level they were playing at with Hunt, and by the end of the year our offense will be beyond even that.
Outside of Henry, who we broke on the way to becoming SUPER BOWL CHAMPIONS, I would agree with you.

arrowheadnation 04-28-2020 06:21 AM
I assume it's been talked about, but he apparently goes by Clydro?


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