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I was trying to agree with you, but worded it terribly- my bad. Should have said- Why did he even post this?

This!

No worries!

Yes, I agree. Shouldn’t have even been posted in this thread.

:LOL:
All in shorts and shells. So you really didn't see anything.

So much for Antonio Callaway impressing, right? Haven't heard a thing about him in days

Possible punt returner, was fielding some today.

Went to St. Joe this morning.

It was a great time and you can tell the team is really focused and ready to go this year.

Nothing really crazy stood out. Patrick made some really nice throws and Chris Jones blew up a few plays but that was about it.

I will say that Orlando Brown and Trey Smith are EXTREMELY large humans. Seeing those guys in person is jaw dropping. We definitely added some serious size to the line. Thuney looks like a midget lined up next to Brown and he's a pretty big dude in his own right.

Looking forward to watching that group in game action.

Also Bart Vatch is looking yoked these days.

The scene in The Franchise where Veach is getting out his car is hilarious. Like, holy shit, that's the GM? Looks like a strength and conditioning coach.

offense looked amazing today - the line is blowing open holes

mahomes is on target and was firing bullets without kelce out there most of the day

mahomes dropping dimes

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tyreek committing crimes

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George Kittle was under 6’4 and under 250 coming out of college.

The combo of Keizer and Yelder produced 13 catches on 20 targets for 99 yards and 0 TDs in 2020.

The league is littered with guys who don't fit the standard mold/dimensions of an elite player at his position. Tyreek is too short to be a WR1. Anquan Bolden is too slow to be dependable. Hell, there were even a few jackasses quibbling about Mahomes and his hand size coming out of college.

At the same time, just because one player had initial success in early training camps and came back down to earth when they got into pads/games, that doesn't mean other players will follow the same path. It happens for a variety of reasons.

What matters to me: The Chiefs aren't shy about leaking their thoughts on Noah Gray to the media (namely Louis Riddick). We've had guys who look good in camp before who didn't get that "seal of approval" because the Chiefs didn't know if the guy was actually going to be good. The Chiefs have been vocal about how impressed they are with young players before. One of those guys was Patrick Mahomes. And no, Gray isn't going to be as good of a TE as Mahomes is a QB, but I think he'll be good.

WTF? Of course it’s shorts and shells. I saw what I saw. What’s your problem?

I'm picturing Andy setting fire to entire section of flanker option plays, and then immediately drawing up more Pringle Go Deep Plays.

He might not make it to his 13th birthday.

Eat ass, suck a dick & sell drugs!

It actually has everything to do with camp

That said, I agree that it should be the subject of a different thread

Very nice job by the o-line.

Yeah cool. Do you think our #2 is going to miss 7 games like Sammy did? Do you think CEHs role in the offense is going to stay as small as it was? Do you think Hardman will improve or Powell will breakout? If so, I don't see how you could think Gray will have all that many catches.

Lets say Mahomes completes 400 passes this year, how do you see the catches breaking down? For me I see 200 catches off the board instantly because of Kelce and Hill. After that I have:
Hardman: 50 catches
CEH: 50 catches
Powell: 35 catches
Robinson: 35 catches

That leaves 30 catches for the rest of the players combined.

The left side was a brick wall

35 catches for Powell? Nah

No defender even close to Mahomes.

Powell won’t have more catches than Gray.

Tyreek has never had more than 87 catches.

I agree that it is certainly a camp topic, but we know what will happen if we start discussing this here. That’s why I simply requested that the discussion on this particular tweet go elsewhere.

Think him and Robinson will switch off at the X spot with Powell coming on late as the regular starter.

Either way I see 70+ receptions coming from the X whether it's mainly one player or some kind of combination of Robinson, Powell, and Pringle. Or even Callaway.

I just don't see any way for Gray to get a lot of catches unless Kelce gets hurt.

This new line maaan, just can't WAIT to see them perform week 1 PBJ

I never specified a number for Tyreek but when healthy him and Kelce are a 200 reception pair.

What's your breakdown?

That's a 20 yard QB run if he wanted to. NOBODY over there.

Niang did what he is supposed to do too by taking the DE (Jones?) around the back of Mahomes.

Marvelous! How Patrick throws off platform with accuracy and zip defies logic.

Twice Tyreek has had 87 catches and Kelce had 103 and 105 those years - each of their best seasons.

I will say 400 catches is this:

Kelce: 96
Tyreek: 90
Hardman: 57
CEH: 53
Robinson: 30
Pringle: 18
McKinnon: 18
Gray: 18
Powell: 10
Kemp: 7
Fortson: 3

His mom grounded him.

If thats the hardest 15 has to work to get off a clean pass this year... hoooboy

All off-season I said I wanted us to OVER-invest in the offensive line.

“Easy 6” is damn right

I was wondering why we weren’t getting tweets about Steelers defensive backs in the Chiefs Training Camp thread…

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Says the guy that thinks a player is going to be a bust because he opted out.

There aren't enough superlatives to describe the transformation Veach pulled off in just one offseason, it exceeded my wildest expectations

And its not just that he went out and got big names, its the philosophy shift to bigger more powerful guys that I love so much... no one is gonna bully this group around

NO ONE

This. Plus, which acquisition signaled panic?

Thuney got a big pay day, but he’s a top 3 LG and has proven to be durable. Also, he’s right in his prime. Good deal.

Orlando Brown Jr was a very reasonable trade. The Chiefs came out way ahead on that, since we got the 2nd round pick back as well.

Humphrey was drafted right around where he should have been. We might have even gotten him lower than his value.

Trey Smith was an absolute steal.

Blythe was cheap.

Remmers was cheap.

Niang is still on the first year of his rookie deal.

Long was very cheap with no real downside.

So Veach has a major need across the entire OL. He attacks EVERY position. He doesn’t overpay for any of it. It’s flat out incredible.

Yeah I am not sure CEH gets that many catches especially if McKinnon stays healthy. Clyde could get subbed out in 3rd and long for McKinnon unless he shows more with his hands. I felt he was a big disappointment last year in that regard. He was open a lot out in the flat last year and Pat went elsewhere. We really missed Williams last year he would catch over the shoulder in stride. Clyde really struggle there IMO

Agree 100%, it was absolutely masterful... he not only upgraded every starting position, but added/kept great depth as well

Which does not make sense, because one of the big reasons the Chiefs drafted him was because of his hands. But you're right, it was a disappointment.

Perhaps he will benefit in a normal training camp and improve that part of his game

I see Gray having some plays set up just for him.

Could be a young kid overwhelmed by an Nfl playbook and Andy has a significant one. I have no doubt he will run for some yardage with this line. He needs to deliver in the hand's department. He will have some pressure to improve there. He should start to developed better pass protection skills this year.

Clyde wasn't as involved in the passing game as I thought he was going to be, but that's partly because we have Hill and Kelce. Patrick isn't going to check the ball down to CEH if those guys are open.

What I think is going to change this year is the screen game because of the o-line.

Well true, but Williams was getting many of the balls in the flats that got chunks after the run. Pat was looking elsewhere last year and it was obvious the trust wasn't there yet.

Having no offseason played a huge role into this.

Reid doesn’t have the easiest playbook as well.

We expected CEH to be purposefully involved in the pass game a lot more than he was. Was probably a learning playbook issue. Think Reid will get him to where we expect him to be this season. Could see a poor man's Jamaal type season where Reid lines him up all over the field and most importantly runs screens to him. We used to run a lot of screens with Alex and we basically run none with Mahomes. Think that changes now. Imagine CEH on a screen pay with Thuney, Creed, and Orlando infront of him beating up on LBs and DBs :)

Pringle sucks

Another thing I noticed today is that Andy really seems to be laboring out there.

I feel like in the past he's usually come into camp fairly thin for him and then gains weight as the season progresses.

This year he looks fairly hefty from the get go and it's frankly a little painful watching him try and move around out there. We all saw him with the cane a couple weeks ago.

I just hope he's taking care of himself the best he can because I'm not ready for him to walk away any time soon.

He's not even close to doing that. He has a notoriously unhealthy lifestyle between eating shitty food, shitty work/home balance and lack of sleep.

and they can pull too

also affected Gay’s development.

he’s made his choices. I just don’t want him having a heart attack until we have a couple of more SB trophies. ;)

My update...this team is lllllllllllloaded llloaded

Probably correct. But I think his size is always going to hurt him in pass protection.

Pringle does not suck. He's been productive when given a chance and is the toughest receiver on our roster.

Holy shit...the schedule looks tougher every time I see it.

There might only be a couple games vs non playoff contenders.

I also like Pringle. He has made some clutch catches. Not easy to do when you are buried on the depth chart and don't play much.

It’s really not that tough. We play the NFCE for crying out loud. Try to look at it in terms of the QB’s we will play.

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And we're better than every team on it.

Wait until the bullets start flying. Some of these playoff seeming teams will collapse.

Happens every season.

There's always at least a few that underwhelm. But there are usually a few that surprise too.

What team in the AFC can match our QB, roster, and coach?

Gotta match all 3 to have a chance. If you can’t, you have to be significantly better at one of those.

Our running game looks pretty lethal.

1. CEH was only a "disappointment" because only bitches check the ball down, and Patrick Mahomes aint no bitch.

2. Someone get Andy as rascal. With some chiefs flags on it.

Don’t forget there’s an extra game’s worth of completions to factor in, assuming Mahomes and the starters aren’t getting an early bye week.

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With the new “**** you” Oline we have I’m anticipating a lot of running. Particularly in the 4th after Mahomes embarrasses fools.

Hardman with a couple really nice plays in there.

The left side doesn’t scare me.
The RT position is a scary deal though.

yep, some teams will be better than expected too. But…… we are still the big dogs. :thumb:

There you are Peter!

I'm kinda nervous about week 1 against Cleveland. They'll have OBJ back this time and if they feed the ball to Hunt we could have a long day.

I wasn't disagreeing with you, only providing validation to your comment that the TE2 isn't going to get that many chances. But given the same opportunites as last year, the absolute best scenario is that he catches 20. That's a little over 1 catch a game.

Originally Posted by -King-
If we really want to be honest with ourselves, absolute best case scenario is that he catches only around 10-15 balls. If he catches more, then something has gone wrong with Hill, Kelce, Hardman, CEH, etc.

Their offense was worse last year with OBJ on the field.

Do they practice today?