LMAO

Can we sue you for being a dumbass?


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Aikman is now doing Monday night on ESPN... this was his first season 2022 with ESPN...

Maybe, he will be on number one team... not like we will get him more that twice a year or three times with the super bowl on FOX... But he could suck so bad they have to move him off the one team... :)

There might be some sort of legal technicality but, if an individual is being paid to promote a product/service/company, are they not technically working for said company?

Good ol' Barry

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Brady is the all time leader in passing yards, touchdowns, wins, playoff wins, and Super Bowl wins. That isn't luck you dork LMAO

At least we didn’t have to go through a retirement tour.

Never said luck but he's right. He got to all the stats because he played the longest. That's the only reason. Where was he in 2015 when Manning retired? He certainly wasn't at the top or even close at all.

Rice same thing. He played forever so he has the stats.

I read a thing on Twitter, can't recall from who that basically said Brady is the most successful NFL player, the most accomplished, but not the best. He's like Bill Russel. Yes he has the most rings, but that doesn't make him the best player, it makes him the most successful player.

He was pretty close...

Wins by QB (since 1940) as of 2015 - the top 5 were Favre (188), Manning (187), Brady (172), Elway (149), Morrall (149)


Passing yards in that time frame - top 5 were Manning (71.9k), Favre (71.8k), Marino (61.4k), Brees (60.9k), Brady (58.0k)

Passing Tds in that time frame - top 5 were Manning (538), Favre (508), Brees (428), Brady (428), Marino (420)

So, yeah, he padded the stats retiring in 2023, but in 2015 he was statistically top 3-5 in those 3 critical areas and he had 4 of his 7 SB rings as of 2015.

Brady had more playoff wins than the QB who's #2 on the list, Joe Montana, by age 35. He went on to win 18 more playoff games, but Brady was 3 years younger than Montana's retirement age (38) when he passed him in playoff wins. Brady actually had 21 playoff wins by the time he reached the age at which Montana won his 16th and final one.

Brady has 7 Super Bowl wins; no one else has more than 4 wins. He won his 5th Super Bowl in 2012 at age 34.

Brady is not the best ever. I have seen every playoff game and many of his regular season games. Not even gonna mention the PI calls he got but more than anything he was helped a great deal by defense more than any QB that has a ring. He scored 10 points and won a SB, He threw 3 picks in one half and won a playoff game, he fumbled the Tuck rule game and he admitted it, Bledsoe saved the day at Pitt 20 years ago, early 2000's were totally driven by defense and video tape cheating the NFL covered up and of course the big Wilson int got him one as well. Brady has never had to carry a team with his arm since he had a top 10 defense literally his entire career.

He's a great leader, worked hard and could get some points in the 4th after crapping himself the other 3 quarters some of the time but no way you watch other QB's and say he's better than all of them. Bunch of 4th quarters getting to FG range for the win is not greatness.

Simply Amazing. His SB wins and regular season wins will never be touched.

Montana has a higher career passer rating in the playoffs than Tom Brady, but no one else is above Brady who has 10 playoff wins.

You can dislike Brady and try to say he isn't the best ever, but you have to do that based on your feelings and emotions because he's about twice as accomplished as the next most accomplished QB and he holds all the main records a QB can hold.

Yes. He is the gold standard for wins and stats. Dude has it all and by a mile over everyone else.

It is possible to acknowledge that someone you don't like is great at their job. You don't have to be a fan or anything.

Is Bill Russell considered the best NBA player ever since he has the most championships?

Most people would say Jordan because of his combination of skill set + rings.

That will be Brady’s legacy… the most championships, but there are/will be better QB’s when you look at it comprehensively in terms of talent, physical abilities, on-field success, etc.

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I have Russell as the GOAT of the NBA but one can make the argument of era when comparing him with Jordan. The league was not as integrated as Jordan's era and there were far few teams. Brady has played his entire career during the Cap/FA era which is the toughest era to play in given teams can't keep their players like they could when Montana, Starr, etc played. Plus, Brady has literally every single record from winning to stats. And he owns all of them by a ton over any past player or current.

For now. o:-)

Can't wait to get to the bar and see espn's nonstop coverage of this, again

The guy has 7-rings, pretty much all the stats, dominated Peyton Manning H2H, and beat Mahomes in SB and AFC Championship.

If you are being objective, I'd think anyone who knows football can easily make the best case for him being the GOAT QB.

He didn’t dominate Manning. Bill Belicheck did

Early part of his career he was a glorified game manager, backed by Belichick’s superior defensive gameplans that were the primary basis of the team’s success.

Right. I guess that's why BB has had so much success wout Brady.

His stats come from longevity and rarely being injured. Credit where credit is due. Now of those 7 rings how many are because of Brady and not him being the beneficiary of a great defense and/or luck? I can count at least 4 times when Brady got a ring due to Bill or sheer luck.

Sure, but that’s not really a good comparison as Brady didn’t exactly go to the Lions/Jets/Jags after leaving NE. He went to a loaded TB and then played like crud all playoffs only to be bailed out by his defense. How many SBs does Brady win without a Top 10-15 defense backing him?

He's the MOAT. Most Accomplished of All Time. That dude rode top 10 defenses and checkdowns to all of those rings.

They were a perfect match. Let’s not act like Bill’s incredible defenses didn’t contribute to Brady’s success, especially early in his career

Even later in his career. Let’s not pretend that after beating KC in Mahomes first AFCCG he went on to dominate the Rams. He was awful and it took a masterpiece of a defense by Belechick that won that SB. But Brady fan boys don’t want to acknowledge that. They just want to count that ring towards their argument that Brady is the goat-iest of GOATs and his rings are all about his efforts.

Even late in his career. Belichick's defense held a pretty explosive Rams offense to 3 points in the Super Bowl. That Rams offense averaged more than 30 points per game in the 2018 season. Holding them to 3 points is absolutely nuts.

And when he left Belichick, Brady had a very strong Tampa defense that bailed him out when he had 3 INT's in the conference title game against the Packers. That defense also held an explosive Chiefs offense to less than 10 points in the Super Bowl.

Brady is obviously one of the best QB's ever, but it's still a team game at the end of the day. You stick him on a team with a shitty defense for his entire career and he might not have any rings at all. This statement applies to every quarterback.

The only GOAT worthy trait that stands out about Brady purely as a QB when you take out all the team hardware is he did have the clutch gene that Joe Montana had and Mahomes clearly has. Otherwise there is nothing that ever wowed me about his play. The years he put up monster numbers he had Moss who made an old Cunningham, Culpepper and even Jeff George look like all pros.

I know he played around with game-day equipment. Tapped opposing teams defenses in secret. Would be interested in knowing what else this average statue pocket passing QB did to gain an advantage.

Um, have you looked at Bill's record without Brady?

But I bet some kids get touched/kissed when he’s around!

Now do top 10 defenses, and OLs. Dude never accomplished shit without either. There’s tons of quarterbacks in this league that would have won multiple championships had they switched places with him. Hell, Mahomes would probably go undefeated, and actually won the final game!

Edit: we saw how good he looked this year without a top 10 OL and defense. Pretty average TBH.

Brady never won a Super Bowl without a top ten defense.

This thread belongs in DC. Especially that this is our Super Bowl and he doesn't deserve an ounce of attention.

Couldn't cheat as well, 3 of Brady's Super Bowls should be stripped because of Spygate

Reid is a perfect match for Mahomes. Walsh for Montana who had Rice, etc..

See how this works?

What great QB didn't have a great HC and a good surrounding team? How many HOF RBs had a bad oline throughout their career? It's a team game, this isn't boxing.

I don't see how you can downplay what Brady did because he had a lot of help. He can't do it by himself no but who can?

Playing in the AFC Least sure didn't hurt; that division was a dumpster fire for two decades. Since the division has gotten better, Brady left and Belicheat isn't winning like he used to.

Brokedick

He played forever like Rice. Stats are padded because of it.

Cringe. :doh!:

I don't get on FB much but, lately I've looked around a bit. I keep seeing my nephew spam his feed with Brady posts. The last one I saw (before I decided to put him on a 30 day ignore) was Brady's record vs every NFL team. If I read that right, he has a winning record vs every other NFL team but, he's 5-6 vs the Chiefs. Thought that was kind of cool.

That is exactly the point. He got more help than a lot of other QB’s. Take a look at Matt Stafford’s sudden transformation from loser in Detroit to winning a Super Bowl with a loaded Rams team. Mahomes had a losing record in college. "QB Wins" should not be a thing IMHO.

The most impressive thing with Brady is the length of his career. He played at a very high level for a longer time than other QB's. I assume he had some help from stuff like HGH, but I also assume other QB's & players are doing the same thing and they don't last as long as he did. So you have to respect the fact he was able to keep it going this long.

So you're adding Jerry Rice to your list of players who are frauds? :LOL:

Patrick Mahomes can. He's never had a great defense and this year, he had a group of cast-offs at WR.

He fondles teenage boys. That's the secret to his longevity.

So Manning had two years longer in the league at that time and had 15 more wins, 23.9k more yards, and 110 more touchdowns.

Brady was the product of always playing with a top defense, even after going to Tampa. He has never won jack shit in any year his defense was below average.

Do you recall if that includes post season? I'm genuinely curious.

Also was protected by the refs. And most teams understood if you get too close to him you’ll get flagged. Patrick gets none of that type of protection from the league.

It does not.

If he stays retired that means Gronk is also done.

Great. More stupid USAA commercials.

What are the odds that he stays retired? I am saying 90% because if he comes back again he would receive an insane amount of ridicule. Leaving the 10% in there because i think he's a football addict and I could see him getting withdraws in March and finding a new team.

Only those who already don’t like him will ridicule him. Those who like his will go back to ball washing him.

It feels like he's done after we saw him literally flinch before every hit. Clearly he became scared of getting hit but on the other hand if he gets a few months off to rest he may be stupid enough to think he can go another year.

Only when 2023 is over and he didn't play would I truly 100% believe he's done or if he actually signed his retirement papers. Same with Gronk. Gronk has never signed his because of Brady.

He could go to the 49ers and be right back in the Super Bowl next year, and he's from the Bay area.

Will he be able to resist their overtures? Who knows.

Would they even offer him? He will be 46 and has shown signs of decline.

It depends on how desperate they are to win now.

The 49ers team is loaded. 80% of Tom Brady is enough to win a ring.

A second retirement has hit the Brady center

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The problem is a lot of those Niners have trouble staying healthy.

Until he proves otherwise, I give it a 90% chance he keeps playing. I was skeptical about his first retirement last year, and sure enough he decided to keep playing.

Not sure at this point he can help them do that.

Any dias on the field will need to step up the security. Too many passionate fans with axes to grind

No it's not. They would face Mahomes and lose.

Not like he hasn’t beaten Mahomes before

And he would.

Not against Mahomes! And I’d welcome that!

Not like Mahomes is undefeated in the SB against the 9ers. You have no faith. Yuh pussy dem!

Has anyone placed a bid on retirement announcement spot sand? (there's one with 6 bids, ~$300)

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LMAO Be careful. The ones that don’t say Authenticity Guaranteed might not be legit.

TB12 was tired of getting hit?

This should surprise absolutely no one.

Oh I don't disagree. But that doesn't means teams won't THINK he can.