I'm speaking strictly on 3rd and 1 or 3rd and inches. Obv want Mahomes in there on every other down.

The Blake Bell QB sneak does not work very well.

I've been following it for years. You are right. There is no conspiracy, games are steered.

Playing both sides to try and get back to either way they win scenario. Makes sense, early money on Bengals, middle of the week till the game shift it to the Chiefs.

It would have taken the entire frame.

You may put me 100% behind this statement. Cheffers is the one official I never want to see officiating a Chiefs game. He is absolutely corrupt. I don't even worry about any of the others. Some may be bad but I don't believe they are corrupt.

The fact that Cheffers has accounted for 17% of the Chiefs total penalties and 20% of their penalty yards this season despite only working two Chiefs games seems to be a suspicious statistical anomaly.

I'm still waiting.

What? This is a real stat?

If we make it to the Super Bowl, Chiefs nation should make a HUGE deal out of this for the two weeks prior to the game.

Make it really difficult for him to do it in full view with everyone in the world thinking about it while watching.

FLY THE BANNERS DUST OFF THE PLANE FROM THE DAYS OF PIOLI!

Yep, see the enclosed link: https://ftw.usatoday.com/lists/chief...nfl-assignment

It's his right ankle, so anything that takes his toe/foot and rotates it to the right (outward). Keep in mind that having his foot planted and having his knee pushed inward from the side or spinning/rotating his body to the left would cause the same torque.


Easy enough to avoid in real life, damn near impossible in football. He's going to have to be tough as shit.

And the Bengals are going to be dirty ****s and aim for it all game. Guaranteed.

They're dirty anyway, there's all sorts of video of Hendrickson and Hubbard doing cheap shot shit.

Didn't know BWillie was on Facebook

This isn't even a question at this point, and there's no need to defend yourself. Anyone who doesn't see that certain games are clearly steered is just being willfully ignorant. If anything, the last 2 weeks of officiating proves how well games could be called if the league chose to do so.

Like you said, no scripting or any of that nonsense, but you can even see it on the player's faces when they know they're getting hosed. The body language and tone of the game completely changes.

Whether it's because he's in the pocket of the gambling industry, the league tells him to steer things a certain way, or he's just a scumbag prick is really besides the point. The long and short of it is Carl Cheffers ruins the sanctity of the sport every time he touches a field. Yet the NFL seems to just love the guy. So right there, I think you have your answer as to why he refs the way he does.

I think the only way I can believe this (and just considering it boils my blood) would be to look at all the other game she's officiated and count the number of flags, the types of penalties, etc.

Could it be he is just one of those refs who calls everything, and our rookie DBs are playing too close, in bad form, not turning their heads etc? Last game he called for us I was yelling at the TV the whole game.

Seems like that stat is a bit off... he threw 15 flags out of the Chiefs' 103 for the season, so 14.5% in two games.

https://www.nflpenalties.com/team/ka...view=games_for

Cheffers also throws 20% more flags than the average ref... 16.12/game vs 13.5 for everyone else.

So, without getting into home vs away and so forth, you'd expect the average ref to throw 6.75 flags on the Chiefs, but would also expect Cheffers to throw 8.1 flags.

The Chiefs had 5.86 flags for the non-Cheffers games and 7.5 with Cheffers... you'd expect Cheffers to throw 7 per game at his +20%, so the difference is a flag more per game.

He hates the Chiefs a flag worth, proven by the "full weight" bullshit, and the flag when the Texans receiver literally ran into the safety.

I don't know about everyone else but when I'm watching the Super Bowl....I want to see as many flags as possible. :rolleyes:

ROFL

You think bringing in Henne on 3rd and 1 is going to work?

Dude, if they do that, it's no longer a SNEAK.

Yeah, it's been refreshing this season for the most part, not seeing any games completely taken over by calls.. the closest would have been Bengals/Bills.

Nothing like the Bucs SB or that regular season Chiefs/Bengals game last year.

Yep they would need a Taysom Hill-type package with Bell or Henne, where defenses have to expect more than just a QB sneak for the play to legitimately be a "sneak".

I say just run Pacheco up the middle and the Chiefs interior offensive line... with two Pro Bowl players and the strength of the line needs to be able to help get a yard.

Using that 13 personnel for those short-yardage run plays should be really effective.

Because with Kelce and Gray, you can't completely sell out. Moreover, bell is really good at finding the underneath zones for short catches.

And it gives you just a little more oomph to push the pile if/when you do hand it off.

HE GOT THAT FRAWG IN HIM

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FnaWneIa...jpg&name=large

Epic ending to the game would be a Patrick Mahomes QB Sneak to score the game winning TD

Epic ending to the game would be us beating their ass by 20+

https://media.tenor.com/vYN5wgmxXusA...bt-nodoubt.gif

Hypothetically either nfc team we face in the Super Bowl is a defensive team and more penalties generally favors the passing team (us). We’ll see how it plays if we make it.

I was told there wouldn't be math :D

I appreciate the context. Everyone, let's only be a flag's worth of anxious.

If it comes down to it...do it.

Line up in the bunch formation where they usually throw a bubble screen to Kelce. They'll key on that and leave the middle wide open for Mahomes and Creed.

Line up SAUNDERS in the backfield to shove Mahomes in. LMAO

What's a unsportsmanlike conduct or roughing the passer penalty if it's your ticket to the SuperBowl? Or put some scrub in there and let him be the goon who gets tossed out of the game.

Put Kelce and Gray in the back field behind Bell and push forward like the Eagles do with Hurts.

Two can play that game, not that Andy would ever condone it...officially.

I just realized the Eagles had 70 ****ing sacks this year.

Good god.

EVERY team can play that game...some simply play it more than others.

LMAO

People come up with so many things to worry about, it's nice to quantify.

FIFY

Bell can throw the ball, he threw for 1600 yds and 12 TDS his jr year at OU, short passes ave 7 yds. Unless he hurt his arm, as he moved to TE exclusively his SR year.

The Eagles play really well from ahead.

You realize NO TEAM expects a QB sneak from Kansas City. You also realize the Chiefs NEVER convert 3 and short by running it up the middle. Our short yardage run game is shit

Bovada has the prop bet for any time TD for Mahomes @+800
I could see him scrambling for one of those 2-3 yard TD's where he plays point guard and ends up keeping it after a few pump fakes.

I don't think he hates the Chiefs, I think he steers games to cover the spread. I don't think he gives a shit who wins, as long as Vegas wins.

They don’t expect a QB sneak from Mahomes, but when they line up Bell on that play, everyone knows it’s a QB sneak… there is no “sneak” or element of surprise to it.

Run it up, Andy!

Vegas wins whether the spread is covered or not.

When did I say that

Yeah. You know what I mean.

Up 3 scores in the 4th quarter, run some version of 'Snow Globe' that morphs into 'Hungry Pig Right.'

Saunders is open!

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That's Nagy that pulled him aside at the end of that clip, right?

Makes sense - Andy was kinda busy at the moment...

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Nagy’s been a great hire this year.

Has to have helped calling plays Pat likes and with integrating a new WR room.

I think I caught him drop a 'sir' in the middle of his 'no, hell no!' arguments (sounds like the 41 second mark of the video).

The kids respect for the coaches is just remarkable. Honestly, great on his mom. That's something that had to be hammered into him from a pup.

Didn't we try that against the Jags and get nowhere?

That's the PA announcer saying "service".

Lol, Pat was hilarious in that clip. Sounded a little like my nephew when he was in his early teens trying to stay in a game, coming up with every excuse and option, besides not playing.

Also, as other have mentioned, it's so great to see how much respect Mahomes has for Andy and the coaching staff. He could've flown completely off the handle like so many prima donna QBs have in recent memory, but he didn't. And that trickles down to the rest of the team for certain.

Gray held the ball behind him and his just went up the centers ass on the plays. QBs usually go to one side or the other depending on where they see a gap in the defensive alignment.

I really wish Mahomes didn't get hurt doing that QB sneak in Denver. The fear of it has limited us so much on 3rd and short.

So you're the @sshole that called that play. I hate you. That shit never works

I think the league likes close games, especially in the postseason and especially especially in the SuperBowl. They also like seeing dynamic QBs like Mahomes start gunslinging because they're 2+ scores down.

Refs that create these conditions get rewarded. Strong evidence for this is Cheffers getting 2 SBs in 3 years. Refs that call the game straight up don't get rewarded.

That's my theory.

Live Presser going on now.

Its basically never a surprise when teams run a QB sneak its fairly obvious when most teams do it.

Andy Reid said Mahomes was fine after yesterday’s full practice and he doesn’t expect the Chiefs to change their approach, in terms of Mahomes’ out of the pocket plays.

Then Petro started asking dumb questions.

He has an arm attached to his body u know...and Andy still has gadget plays for any qb

That's how important qb sneaking or the threat of it is and why we are the worst team in football on 3rd and short

I have been really trying to tell myself I'm not going to let this game get the best of me. That no matter what happens, we weren't even supposed to be here and win or lose, this team has been incredible and we've been to 5 straight AFC title games, which I never for a second thought I would ever see in my life. Mahomes is hurt, the Bengals are steamrolling, and I'm going to be content with the outcome either way.

Man oh man, it isn't happening. I want this so bad I'm seething. I can only imagine how Pat and the rest of the guys feel. We have to win this. That's all there is to it. I don't even care if we lose in the SB. This game, we just have to goddamn win.

Henne is not playing. Get over it.

Good point, better use Henne on the 1st and 2nd down as well.

Little did we know that we have our QBOTF sitting on the bench behind Mahomes.

I know but would be good to utilize him on 3rd and short only

Absolutely not

Yeah take the league MVP out for a 37 year old journeyman LMAO

For what?

He really excels at that.

Logic does not factor in.

I've heard of a third down back but only on CP have I heard of a third down quarterback

:facepalm:

LMAO

This has pete%gz written all over it.

Yes, that's exactly how most of us feel when you post. Good job.

Ya ur right Blake bell is the best option ROFL

Damn a lot of really crappy posts in this thread. Would rather to just see concrete updates