Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 17927451)

Depends. AB's is OG. If you're a fan of vinegary old school sauces, AB's is kind of the standard. Always get some AB's when I get back to KC, though I tend towards the Bold and Spicy, or whatever it's called. Bottom line, if you want to taste 'original' KC BBQ sauce, AB's is one of the actual originals.

Also a fan of Gates, which is more of a tomato-based sauce, iirc, less sweet than a lot of others. I'm more into savory than sweet, so I like Gates a lot.


Joe's is another good sauce, also old school.

for a spicier more modern sauce, Jack Stacks is pretty good.

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 17927745)

Anyone know how the Bills defensive scheme compares to the Eagles?

If they are dramatically different, we might be seeing a situation where Andy can empty his bag ENTIRELY on Buffalo.

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 17927752)

Buffalo is going to get beat by 2 scores and we will have a chance to blow them out if Pat is sharp out there.

Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 17927799)

This is where I'm at as well. Think that shutting them down and really putting up points is very likely. Bills will probably start pounding the football behind that beastly O line and own the TOP. Kinda' funny since that's likely what we want anyway - running the football, not letting Josh get hot, and running clock.

2nd half we shut the run down and force a fairly cold Allen to carry the offense like he has before.

Originally Posted by ptlyon (Post 17927807)

Ok, but WE want to be running the clock,not them.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17927295)

Yeah - in the 'which team do I hate more' derby, this isn't even close.

I'd root for anybody in the NFL over the Ravens (well, not the Broncos or Raiders, but that goes without saying).

There's just not a team or fanbase or entire ****ing city that I loathe as much as those ****sticks.

Did I want to play Buffalo because I thought they'd be an easier out? Yeah - that was my primary motivation. But as a secondary benefit, if those guys manage to knock us off, I won't hope their plane crashes on the way back home.

That ain't the case for the Ravens.

**** Baltimore. Biggly.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17927352)

Yeah - Texans/Titans on the way to the Super Bowl was just the NFL making things a little too easy on us.

I mean, it feels like last year made up for lost time and then some (lord that was a brutal slog), but I certainly wouldn't mind another cakewalk in the coming years.

Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 17927809)

In a perfect world, sure. The main thing being Josh isn't slinging it all over and getting comfortable.

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 17927752)

Guys, Buffalo beat us last time because Shakir and Cooper owned Conner and Johnson.

Having Josh Williams playing good ball, having Watson back and McDuffie being able to play the slot on Shakir is a HUGE difference.

Then you talk about adding Omenihu to the pass rush.

Then you add Pacheco and Hollywood to the offense.

Wanya Morris isn’t lining up at LT this time.

Kelce looked ancient in the first matchup and was possessed Saturday…

They had NO ANSWER for Xavier Worthy in the first matchup, and you KNOW he will have a chip on his shoulder because of the draft.

Buffalo is going to get beat by 2 scores and we will have a chance to blow them out if Pat is sharp out there.

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 17927815)

To me, it’s going to come down to protecting the football on offense.

If KC can protect the ball and avoid turning it over, it has the answers it needs.

The Bills used man coverage to slow down a KC WR corps that was led by Worthy, Hopkins - who had been in KC for just a few weeks at that point - and Smith-Schuster. Brown gives them a quick man beater they lacked before.

Joe Thuney at LT has been an improvement from Wanya Morris. Caliendo at LG is not Thuney, obviously, but he has been less negatively impactful there than Morris at LT.

On defense, the Chiefs have 26 sacks in the six games they have actually tried since Omenihu came back. Jaylen Watson looked like he had been plying all year last week. Those two are major impacts for the defense. Hicks has also been worked in much more on D and played well.

All told, I think it’s enough - especially combined with homefield advantage that shaves a half-second off the start for the Bills’ strong OL - to flip the result.

It would be sweet to send the Bills packing. Sweeter still to send them packing with a two-score win.

We’ll see.

Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 17927714)

I have no idea how they score enough.

We have Watson (who looked very good in his return last game) and Omenihu back.

We aren't playing in Buffalo.

The Bills have been not good on the road this year.

It's going to take 2 or 3 fluke turnovers from us and none from them for us to lose.

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 17927842)

While we’re getting some guys back from injury, they are as well. IIRC, they were missing Coleman and Cooper had just been acquired a few weeks prior.

They’ll also be getting Milano back, though I am hearing he sustained a leg injury late in the Ravens game.

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 17927815)

If KC can protect the ball and avoid turning it over, it has the answers it needs.

Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 17927854)

They didn't have Kincaid in the last game. That's easily their biggest offensive "addition" given our difficulty with TEs.

Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 17927854)

They didn't have Kincaid in the last game. That's easily their biggest offensive "addition" given our difficulty with TEs.

Originally Posted by kgrund (Post 17927864)

Kincaid and Knox in many ways are my primary worries in the passing game. I think we have answers for the others. Those two are more problematic given our weaknesses with the LB core.

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 17927869)

Nick Jacobs says we didn’t deploy a spy a single time in the November matchup.

Originally Posted by Monticore (Post 17927873)

I want this more for the other fanbases sadness than our happiness at this point because of all the whining.

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 17927612)

You don't need a spy when everyone is looking at the QB.

The fail on that play was Jones and Karlaftis spreading out like Jenna Jameson.

Why we BEAT Allen last postseason was pocket compression.

In the words of DL Coach Cullen: "I DO NOT WANT THE RIGHT END WINNING UPFIELD."

Originally Posted by Monticore (Post 17927873)

I want this more for the other fanbases sadness than our happiness at this point because of all the whining.

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 17927820)

One of the 2-3 biggest storylines for me is what’s the plan for Hopkins and offensive personnel as a whole this Sunday.

On one hand, 16 snaps ain’t near enough. Not when he could be our answer down inside the red zone for Mahomes.

On the other, I don’t think this banged up Bills secondary can keep up with Worthy and Brown. Like, I think they might be running wide open more than we’ve seen against any team since Brown’s return.

But, Buffalo loves to stay in nickel and countering that with 12 personnel is a nice option when your TE2 is Noah Gray.

I think we’ll continue to see a heavy dose of 12, with the two speedsters at WR to stress the secondary.

However when they do go 11, there has to be more Hopkins. Just has to be. He needs to be out there on every red zone play even if it is 12 personnel — he should take Brown’s place in those spots because his speed isn’t impactful as much down there.

Originally Posted by Gary Cooper (Post 17927888)

If the O-line can block, you're correct. We saw that against Pittsburgh. Mahomes had time and we had enough weapons to pick the Steelers secondary apart. It's when the O-line struggles and Mahomes gets happy feet that the offense stalls. A steady run game would help too but Andy doesn't like that and the O-line hasn't blocked well for many weeks in the run game.

I believe Buffalo played lots of man during the last meeting but that was before Hollywood Brown entered the lineup. With their injuries in the secondary, they're unlikely to try the same strategy.

Also, Reid/Spags aren't the only coaches who may be holding back plays in the regular season. I'm sure Buffalo's coaches have several new wrinkles as well they were saving in their packages and play designs.

Originally Posted by TLO (Post 17922961)

Discuss

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 17927842)

While we’re getting some guys back from injury, they are as well. IIRC, they were missing Coleman and Cooper had just been acquired a few weeks prior.

They’ll also be getting Milano back, though I am hearing he sustained a leg injury late in the Ravens game.

Originally Posted by New World Order (Post 17927907)

Who downvoted this man’s thread?!!!!!

Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 17927922)

I think it's because he started it at halftime of the Bills/Ravens game. LMAO

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 17927892)

I'm not sure "Mahomes had time" is true at all. The Steelers game was Mahomes' fastest time to release ever in his entire career.

Originally Posted by louie aguiar (Post 17927919)

Spencer Brown (one of the best right tackles in the NFL) also missed that game

Originally Posted by Gary Cooper (Post 17927929)

Was it? I know that Watt/Heyward didn't do squat in that game.

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 17927931)

Kincaid is JAG living off his draft hype. Coleman doesn't get separation and is basically only useful in the red zone and on broken plays. They use Cooper less than we use Hopkins.

Brown and Milano are the only guys that I think can make a significant difference for them that didn't play last game.

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 17927936)

Shit, I didn’t realize that..

So it’s basically like us getting back Jawaan Taylor, Noah Gray, Xavier Worthy, and Nick Bolton for them.

While we actually get back Hollywood, Jaylen Watson and Pacheco.

Those are some big movers and shakers on each side. I wouldn’t be surprised if this game looks completely different than the one earlier this year.

Originally Posted by SHOWTIME (Post 17927945)

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 17927936)

Shit, I didn’t realize that..

So it’s basically like us getting back Jawaan Taylor, Noah Gray, Xavier Worthy, and Nick Bolton for them.

While we actually get back Hollywood, Jaylen Watson and Pacheco.

Those are some big movers and shakers on each side. I wouldn’t be surprised if this game looks completely different than the one earlier this year.

Originally Posted by fadeaway (Post 17927970)

We also get back Omenihu.

They also may be without a few defensive players, although i imagine they all make miraculous recoveries

Originally Posted by RedinTexas (Post 17927965)

WTF is the point in catch-and-release fishing if you're going to be unnecessarily cruel to them while you have them? Where is PETA??

Originally Posted by Rainbarrel (Post 17927979)

Teach a fish how to flop and it will have a long life

Originally Posted by In58men (Post 17927991)

Everyone still feeling confident?

Originally Posted by In58men (Post 17927991)

Everyone still feeling confident?

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 17927973)

Rapp is probably not going to play. Benford and Johnson will play I'm sure but they're both banged up.

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 17928037)

Benford 100% shouldn't play. What are the chances they have 2 guys clear concussion protocol in less than a week 2 weeks in a row?

That would be fishy as ****.

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 17928035)

The back end of their defense is really beat up. Worthy was open all day against them last time when they were relatively healthy.

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 17928040)

The Bills have been known to try and skirt the rules when it comes to injuries, especially concussions.

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 17927949)

I know you're comparing Worthy and Coleman because of stats, but Coleman hasn't even been in the same league as Worthy as a rookie. He's absolutely nothing to be afraid of. Stop box score scouting for once.

Originally Posted by fadeaway (Post 17927970)

We also get back Omenihu.

They also may be without a few defensive players, although i imagine they all make miraculous recoveries

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 17928047)

I’ve watched him and he looks good.

They’re totally different players with different roles in their offense. The comparison isn’t apples to apples but it doesn’t need to be.

Either way, I’m not going to sit here while you argue that a rookie WR who averaged 19 YPR isn’t in the same league as X Man. Coleman had basically the same number of receptions on FORTY fewer targets. He’s been impressive.



Oh, did we not have Charlie O back at that point? ****ing nice.

It’s hard to remember that far back with all of these moving pieces.

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 17928047)

I’ve watched him and he looks good.

They’re totally different players with different roles in their offense. The comparison isn’t apples to apples but it doesn’t need to be.

Either way, I’m not going to sit here while you argue that a rookie WR who averaged 19 YPR isn’t in the same league as X Man. Coleman had basically the same number of receptions on FORTY fewer targets. He’s been impressive.

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 17928053)

So like I said, you're box score scouting...

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 17928047)

I’ve watched him and he looks good.

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 17928056)

You're dumb and can’t read.



Eye test doesn’t work in debates, though. You say he hasn’t been in X’s league, I say he has. Now what?

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17928054)

He fits what Buffalo has been doing this year.

Allen standing back there and waiting for the coverage to break down gives Coleman plenty of time to eventually come open. And if it doesn't happen, Allen has the size/speed to buy enough time and toss a YOLO ball for Coleman to fight for.

If a team can get after Allen a bit, it'll neutralize Coleman completely. But thus far, teams haven't.

Coleman would've been a complete non-factor here, IMO, but that doesn't mean he's been a disaster for Buffalo. He's been pretty productive in this bizarre sort of haphazard caveman passing game they've pieced together this year.

He and Shakir will likely complement each other similarly to Rice/Worthy going forward.

Originally Posted by Boxer_Chief (Post 17928066)

Coleman benefits from Josh having 10 seconds to throw in the pocket. I’ve never seen him make an actual wr catch, it’s always deep passes where the defender lost him in time consuming coverage.

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 17928069)

Almost 1/4 of Coleman's production came in one game. He has not at all been the steady reliable player that Worthy has been, especially down the stretch.

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 17928060)

This game feels like a coin flip to me. Both teams truly have the answers to each other, so it will just come down to turnovers and execution.

The Chiefs run defense has significantly weakened in the last month or two of starter play. Pennel is not nearly the force he was to start the season, so if the Bills stick to the run and Allen carries it 10+ times and Cook gets a bellcow share, it's going to be really hard to stop this team, because their passing game is basically the Chiefs' passing game from 2022, where Allen has a ton of B and B+ options at his disposal, and he's making excellent decisions. The Chiefs secondary is as well built to stop this passing offense as any secondary in the league, but even they're going to have problems with it, Kincaid in particular, which is a matchup nightmare against us.

If the Chiefs can get to Allen, all bets are off, however. But no team has gotten to Allen a lot this year, including us (even though we didn't have Omenihu).

The Bills have a good run defense, but the Chiefs are more invested in passing anyway. They run purely to keep the defense honest, and I think if they stick with Kareem this week, they're going to get their three-yards-and-a-cloud-of-dust game going.

But it's the passing offense. The Chiefs just put up 23 points on an excellent defense last week without really using their WRs. I gotta imagine they open up the playbook more this week. The Bills will come out with a couple weird adjustments to catch the Chiefs off balance for a couple drives -- which will be enough for Allen to build an early lead. After that, Mahomes is too smart for zone, and Andy Reid's playcalling is too clever for man, and they're going to start moving the ball for those 6- and 7-minute drives. But they have to kill it in the red zone this week. Going 2-for-6 in the red zone this week might doom you.

This might be a week for Humphries to get the snaps at LT. The Bills best passrush comes from the interior, and having them face off against Thuney-Humphrey-Smith should stymie them a lot. Oliver spanked Smith a ton last time these teams played, so if the Chiefs can't adjust to Oliver, all bets are off.

The game just feels like a 50/50 to me. Every time I start leaning one way, like the Bills are better, or no wait, Mahomes never loses to the Bills, the counterarguments eat me up. I don't know if either team has an edge, but I'm very, very glad it's in Arrowhead.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17928054)

He fits what Buffalo has been doing this year.

Allen standing back there and waiting for the coverage to break down gives Coleman plenty of time to eventually come open. And if it doesn't happen, Allen has the size/speed to buy enough time and toss a YOLO ball for Coleman to fight for.

If a team can get after Allen a bit, it'll neutralize Coleman completely. But thus far, teams haven't.

Coleman would've been a complete non-factor here, IMO, but that doesn't mean he's been a disaster for Buffalo. He's been pretty productive in this bizarre sort of haphazard caveman passing game they've pieced together this year.

He and Shakir will likely complement each other similarly to Rice/Worthy going forward.

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 17928089)

You could have just left that in the Bills thread. Nobody is surprised that you're undecided and nervous about this game.

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 17928089)

You could have just left that in the Bills thread. Nobody is surprised that you're undecided and nervous about this game.

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17928093)

The most shocking pick in the entire draft this year was Buffalo choosing Coleman over McConkey, and thank God they did.

I never understood it at all. Sure you have Shakir doing a lot of that role, but McConkey can win deep as well. They have 2 TE’s doing the job they want Coleman to do.

Shocking that everyone not named Shakir is struggling to separate which is why they got Amari Cooper. And as much as I thought Curtis Samuel could be solid for us, he’s just not been that good this year.

I think there’s a fair chance that Buffalo looks back in a couple years and is mad that they not only passed on Worthy, but McConkey as well.

Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar (Post 17928106)

Mahomes is dropping 35+ on that weak ass D. It's up to Spags to just get a few stops.

Originally Posted by RedinTexas (Post 17927965)

WTF is the point in catch-and-release fishing if you're going to be unnecessarily cruel to them while you have them? Where is PETA??

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17928054)

He fits what Buffalo has been doing this year.

Allen standing back there and waiting for the coverage to break down gives Coleman plenty of time to eventually come open. And if it doesn't happen, Allen has the size/speed to buy enough time and toss a YOLO ball for Coleman to fight for.

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 17928059)

I can read just fine. I don't beleive you.

Or maybe I'm giving you too much credit.

I don't know.

But you're the only ****ing reerun I know that could possibly watch both and not see a clear and significant difference.

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 17928062)

I'm not saying Coleman sucks, he's just not a 1st round talent like Virus has tried to argue, and he's absolutely not as good as Worthy. There's so much more room for growth and development with Worthy, whereas Coleman is who he is. He's a WR3, maybe a low end WR2.

Originally Posted by Boxer_Chief (Post 17928066)

Coleman benefits from Josh having 10 seconds to throw in the pocket. I’ve never seen him make an actual wr catch, it’s always deep passes where the defender lost him in time consuming coverage.

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 17928117)

Assuming the Chiefs can bottle up the run, the Bills passing game is going to be where this game is decided.

Cooper -- Shakir -- Coleman -- Samuel -- Kincaid -- Knox

vs

McDuffie -- Watson -- Williams -- Johnson -- Reid -- Conner

Our linebackers keying on Cook and Ty Johnson. Spags strategically sending blitzes.

It's a tall, tall order. We're as equipped as anyone to deal with it. But it's a tall, tall order.

Originally Posted by SHOWTIME (Post 17928123)

My biggest worry is even if we blanket their receivers, who is going to spy Allen? He constanly gets key first downs with his legs and it's annoying...