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-King- 09-07-2023 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by AdolfOliverBush (Post 17090553)
His decline will start the moment he signs a new contract. We've seen it happen before, and it isn't age related.
We should have traded him months ago if that's the case.

Mecca 09-07-2023 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 17090561)
Sure. You can guess however many games he wants to hold out. Or like DJ did in another thread, percentages of his decline. In his 3rd year do you think he'll be 50% or worse of his normal self? 80%?
When he's 32?

He probably won't be half the player he is now if you go on the past guys that played his spot.

Kevin Williams went from best DT in the league to rotational backup in 2 years.

ptlyon 09-07-2023 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 17090563)
You think if we sign him, we'll stop winning and/or drafting good players?
You think if he doesn't play it tanks the season?

SupDock 09-07-2023 11:53 AM
49ers just created 24 million in cap space. Embedding is not working

https://twitter.com/LombardiHimself/...ghtmode%3Dtrue

AdolfOliverBush 09-07-2023 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 17090565)
We should have traded him months ago if that's the case.
Knowing what we know now, absolutely.

Mecca 09-07-2023 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 17090563)
You think if we sign him, we'll stop winning and/or drafting good players?
It makes it harder when you have a guy producing like a rotational player that is paid to be a gamewrecker.

Megatron96 09-07-2023 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 17090559)
Even if 100% true, Williams signed his 2nd contract his is Jones 3rd...you win with rookie and 2nd contracts. 3rd contracts is how you end up overpaying for past production.


Lol, funny how 'past production' is irrelevant when discussing WRs, but somehow is critical when discussing CJ. But whatever, fine.

But I agree that you don't want to overpay, especially for a player that might be nearing the end of his prime years. For the record, I always felt he could and should get up to $26/$27 million/year for 3 years. Point being, I was never in favor of giving him (or any DL for that matter) $30 million+.

Bl00dyBizkitz 09-07-2023 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 17090565)
We should have traded him months ago if that's the case.
If we knew he was going to hold out like this, yeah probably. I doubt the FO knew this was going to happen months in advance and just did nothing about it.

Mecca 09-07-2023 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 17090572)
Lol, funny how 'past production' is irrelevant when discussing WRs, but somehow is critical when discussing CJ. But whatever, fine.

But I agree that you don't want to overpay, especially for a player that might be nearing the end of his prime years. For the record, I always felt he could and should get up to $26/$27 million/year for 3 years. Point being, I was never in favor of giving him (or any DL for that matter) $30 million+.
It always matters...it's why there should be a limit on what you are willing to pay for a 3rd contract.

RollChiefsRoll 09-07-2023 11:57 AM
Players do dumb shit like this all the time. How much money did OBJ leave on the table by rejecting the Chiefs’ offer and taking less in Cincy?

Megatron96 09-07-2023 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 17090574)
It always matters...it's why there should be a limit on what you are willing to pay for a 3rd contract.
Depends on who you ask, apparently.

tyecopeland 09-07-2023 12:00 PM
If he signs at halftime can he play the 2nd half?

-King- 09-07-2023 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 17090566)
When he's 32?

He probably won't be half the player he is now if you go on the past guys that played his spot.

Kevin Williams went from best DT in the league to rotational backup in 2 years.
He'll be 31 his last season of the projected contract.

And if you think he's going to off that hard, I don't know why extending him should have even been a discussion in the first place at almost any price point.

Red Dawg 09-07-2023 12:05 PM
Jones is now the only hold out in the league.

tredadda 09-07-2023 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 17090550)
So how do you think the next 3 years will play out. How many sacks per season? Cause I see nothing that tells me that he's entering any sort of decline.
He has two seasons with double digit sacks. DTs tend to drop off after 30, so I would be more shocked if he sniffs double digit sacks again in his career.

Derrick Henry is 29, if he held out for a significant pay raise would you agree to it? If so, why? If not, why?


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