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Reaper16 11-10-2015 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 11874835)
"Acknowledge his white male privilege' his a hell of a lot less benign than you're re-casting it.

And yes, it's batshit.

If it isn't benign, then what stands to be damaged? What stands to be lost?

DJ's left nut 11-10-2015 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 11874821)
Certainly possible. However his definition of systemic oppression being when "you don’t believe that you have the equal opportunity for success" is very indicative to me of the man's white privilege blinding him to the felt realities of what it feels like to live under these conditions we collectively call oppression.

Have you watched the video? It's pretty clear what happened.

Wolfe got caught flat footed by the question (dude was just walking up the hill to go to a basketball game and started getting shouted at by protesters) and essentially answered by trying to speak as the questioner. The answer was very clearly intended as "systematic oppression is when minorities don't have equal opportunity for success" and then when he tried to clarify his poorly phrased response, he got shouted down by the same social justice warriors that are demanding a private echo chamber on a public campus.

DJ's left nut 11-10-2015 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 11874844)
If it isn't benign, then what stands to be damaged? What stands to be lost?

So you don't believe it provides clear insight into the mindset of the group that sat down and collectively created the demand?

KChiefs1 11-10-2015 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Sully (Post 11874396)
So, yeah... this thread is completely ruined, eh?


Kinda like the football season.

OnTheWarpath15 11-10-2015 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 11874745)
Hey remember that time I said I'd like to see some evidence of institutional racism?

How 'bout a little evidence of one of those racist incidents?

http://thefederalist.com/2015/11/10/...-a-giant-hoax/

So activists have been using a photograph that purports to prove that the poop swastika thing occurred....a photograph that was taken a year before the alleged incident. No other photographs even exist and all evidence of it came from a flyer.

As 'hands up, don't shoot' has proven, it doesn't take much more than one or two people for a completely make believe story to become 'what happened'.

We'll see if any actual evidence turns up, but this is why I don't adhere to Reapers 'well they say it happened to clearly it happened' school of thought.

Wow. Just wow.

OnTheWarpath15 11-10-2015 05:40 PM

Speaking of "just wow"...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Please read our response to the events involving Janna Basler yesterday. <a href="https://t.co/cfu0n48vjA">https://t.co/cfu0n48vjA</a> <a href="https://t.co/52cjHbOEgd">pic.twitter.com/52cjHbOEgd</a></p>&mdash; Mizzou IFC (@MizzouIFC) <a href="https://twitter.com/MizzouIFC/status/664206947332304896">November 10, 2015</a></blockquote>
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DJ's left nut 11-10-2015 05:45 PM

"Fire Wolfe for the actions of other people that may or may not have occurred and may or may not have have anything to do with the University!"

But hey, that girl that physically confronted a fellow student, pissed on the 1st Amendment and nationally embarrassed a University known nationwide for its Journalism School....yeah, let's not look too closely at that, m'kay?

Reaper16 11-10-2015 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 11874849)
Have you watched the video? It's pretty clear what happened.

Wolfe got caught flat footed by the question (dude was just walking up the hill to go to a basketball game and started getting shouted at by protesters) and essentially answered by trying to speak as the questioner. The answer was very clearly intended as "systematic oppression is when minorities don't have equal opportunity for success" and then when he tried to clarify his poorly phrased response, he got shouted down by the same social justice warriors that are demanding a private echo chamber on a public campus.

I don't think that it is clear that Wolfe intended it that way. That's a reasonable interpretation, of course. But it's just as reasonable to me that he meant it as he said it: with the implication that the equal opportunity is there if only people would realize it. I also acknowledge that he was put in a position where he was more likely to make a mistake in phrasing, and I'll go so far as to say that those questioning him on the street were probably hoping that he'd slip up.

Your reading of Wolfe's intent is consistent with you wanting me to focus on the overall points you make and not the phrasing that suggests certain subtexts, so I'll ignore your use of echo chamber & SJW here.

DJ's left nut 11-10-2015 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 11874921)
I don't think that it is clear that Wolfe intended it that way. That's a reasonable interpretation, of course. But it's just as reasonable to me that he meant it as he said it: with the implication that the equal opportunity is there if only people would realize it. I also acknowledge that he was put in a position where he was more likely to make a mistake in phrasing, and I'll go so far as to say that those questioning him on the street were probably hoping that he'd slip up.

Your reading of Wolfe's intent is consistent with you wanting me to focus on the overall points you make and not the phrasing that suggests certain subtexts, so I'll ignore your use of echo chamber & SJW here.

Echo chamber is a loaded phrase now?

Oh for ****s sake.

duncan_idaho 11-10-2015 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 11874753)
I'm presuming you're referring to Mr. Haahr.



In either event, that's a fairly low blow. I only knew Elijah in passing but it's fair to say that he's not 'hated' anyone he's ever known and it's fairly shitty invective like that that gets in the way.


Nope. Actually referring to two other state legislators, one of whom I've known since we were 14-15 and another who graduated with my wife, who I witnessed slurring gay men on many occasions.

"Hate" is perhaps overly strong. "Disdain" is more apt. Or "dehumanize." Or "belittle and judge."

Reaper16 11-10-2015 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 11874927)
Echo chamber is a loaded phrase now?

Oh for ****s sake.

No, it isn't a loaded phrase or dog whistle phrase.

My bone to pick with your use of it though is that it implies the student movement isn't interested in conflicting ideas or wants to be protected by them. Granted, the media safe space fiasco provides legitimate evidence to that interpretation (though the people in the viral video weren't self-appointed allies to Concerned Student 1950 & weren't necessarily acting how the group would have liked them to, and CS1950 has dropped their media policy as of today).

But they ARE getting contrasting, opposing ideas. They are hearing those ideas loud & clear. Consider how much of the movement has been broadcasted through social media. All of the groups members (and many of their direct supporters, notably Mizzou football players) have had people in their Twitter mentions for days and days. They aren't closed off from outside ideas to the degree that "echo chamber" suggests. That they dropped their media policy is evidence that either 1.) they learned from a mistake, or 2.) that the felt pressure enough to make a change that they'd rather not make. Either way, a true echo chamber would have prevented that change from happening.

Discuss Thrower 11-10-2015 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 11874905)
Speaking of "just wow"...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Please read our response to the events involving Janna Basler yesterday. <a href="https://t.co/cfu0n48vjA">https://t.co/cfu0n48vjA</a> <a href="https://t.co/52cjHbOEgd">pic.twitter.com/52cjHbOEgd</a></p>&mdash; Mizzou IFC (@MizzouIFC) <a href="https://twitter.com/MizzouIFC/status/664206947332304896">November 10, 2015</a></blockquote>
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If I were a Mizzou Greek, I'd transfer at my earliest opportunity. A ****ing staff member physically harassing a student is inexcusable.

GloryDayz 11-10-2015 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 11874009)
We're going to need a new football thread, lol

Not really, this is MIZZOU football 2015.

Trevo_410 11-10-2015 08:51 PM

holy shit...

oregon shooter week ago...

https://twitter.com/tayyshmayy/statu...56446058487809


and mizzou yikyak today...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CTflIh7VAAAb_dD.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CTflIh7U8AIsavW.jpg


shits gettin real folks

Sassy Squatch 11-10-2015 08:59 PM

One of the select few times where you hope it's just a dumbass trolling.


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