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Buehler445 12-31-2015 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 11988109)
I'm a big fan of Guthrie. He's obviously a huge leader in the clubhouse. Even when he wasn't on the postseason roster, he still led all off the postseason celebrations. He's not too full of himself and has fun.

Most importantly, he ate a lot of innings, kept the bullpen fresh and played a big role in getting this organization over the hump. People forget he was lights out in Sept 2014 and was a huge part of the stretch run to clinch a playoff spot for the first time. Then he outdueled Chen in the ALCS to put us up big, and then pitched great in game 3 to put us up 2-1 on the Giants. He ran out of gas this year but he should feel like he was a part of this team's success.
Yeah, he produced some damned gutty performances - hence JGuts - that 2014 doesn't happen without. If 2015 doesn't happen, I'm not sure if we enter 2015 with the focus and drive to make the championship happen.

He didn't have it this year, but it doesn't mean he wasn't important.

SAUTO 12-31-2015 01:51 PM
Twitter people should just go bash the **** out of kiszla

Prison Bitch 12-31-2015 01:56 PM
Guts deserves criticism. He mad $12.2M this year to be the single worst pitcher among the top 110 guys by innings. He was a joke and a badly overpaid one. He seems like a nice guy but professionally he was atrocious.

Lex Luthor 12-31-2015 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 11988156)
Guts deserves criticism. He mad $12.2M this year to be the single worst pitcher among the top 110 guys by innings. He was a joke and a badly overpaid one. He seems like a nice guy but professionally he was atrocious.
Meh. Did he have a bad year? Yes. Is his career over? Probably. Should the Royals bring him back in 2016? Hell no.

But he did give the Royals a few very good years, and he always conducted himself like a pro. I save the hate for guys who deserve it. He doesn't.

tk13 12-31-2015 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 11988156)
Guts deserves criticism. He mad $12.2M this year to be the single worst pitcher among the top 110 guys by innings. He was a joke and a badly overpaid one. He seems like a nice guy but professionally he was atrocious.
He also went 7-2 with a 3.06 ERA over the final two months of 2014 to help lead their charge up the standings. Pitched 7 scoreless innings to win the game that clinched the Royals first playoff berth in 29 years. Outdueled Chen in game 3 of the ALCS to put a strangehold on the ALCS, and outdueled Tim Hudson to win game 3 of the World Series and put the Royals up 2-1. That's pretty tough, considering game 3 is usually the pivotal game.

He stunk this year but he should really be remembered positively. He was a huge part of turning this organization around. I know you're a robot about this stuff but come on now.

suzzer99 12-31-2015 02:38 PM
Guts prevented a sweep vs. the Tigers late in 2014 that probably saved our season. I consider that his most important game as a Royal.

cosmo20002 12-31-2015 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 11988088)
I wish he'd have quit last winter.
Yeah, maybe we would have won the World Series.

tk13 12-31-2015 02:40 PM
Another funny stat, Guthrie is one of six Royals pitchers to start and pick up a win in a World Series game:

Dennis Leonard
Bret Saberhagen
Danny Jackson
Jeremy Guthrie
Yordano Ventura
Johnny Cueto

Prison Bitch 12-31-2015 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by cosmo20002 (Post 11988222)
Yeah, maybe we would have won the World Series.
Exactly. Since we won despite him (and without him even on the playoff roster at all), I wish we'd have kept his 12.2 and applied it productively. Glad you agree.

Sure-Oz 12-31-2015 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 11988152)
Twitter people should just go bash the **** out of kiszla
Oh they are...you don't **** with Royals twitter

-King- 12-31-2015 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by cosmo20002 (Post 11988222)
Yeah, maybe we would have won the World Series.
LMAO

Lex Luthor 12-31-2015 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 11988254)
Exactly. Since we won despite him (and without him even on the playoff roster at all), I wish we'd have kept his 12.2 and applied it productively. Glad you agree.
Just stop.

KevB 12-31-2015 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 11988218)
He also went 7-2 with a 3.06 ERA over the final two months of 2014 to help lead their charge up the standings. Pitched 7 scoreless innings to win the game that clinched the Royals first playoff berth in 29 years. Outdueled Chen in game 3 of the ALCS to put a strangehold on the ALCS, and outdueled Tim Hudson to win game 3 of the World Series and put the Royals up 2-1. That's pretty tough, considering game 3 is usually the pivotal game.

He stunk this year but he should really be remembered positively. He was a huge part of turning this organization around. I know you're a robot about this stuff but come on now.
Agreed. We won the gd World Series, not sure how you find a way to criticize anything about this year's team if you're a Royals fan. I really like JGuts, and he did some really positive things for this org. Do I want him back next year? Nope, but that doesn't mean I don't think well of him. He made more than he was worth this year obviously, but that's completely water under the bridge at this point.

Bearcat 12-31-2015 03:09 PM
Kiszla is a turd, he should totally be on a show arguing with Tony Kornheiser or Skip Bayless five days a week.

cosmo20002 12-31-2015 03:22 PM
Guthrie obviously mostly sucked this season, but how much of a hardened turd do you have to be to gripe about any of the players' efforts this year?



Won the World Series, but still pissed not every single player was great:cuss:
/PB and a couple other dipshits


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