Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 17557129)

Teams are not going to spend millions of dollars on detailed stadium plans until they know whether not the revenue is there. Royals wanted to build a cowtown stadium. There was a conception plan on how it would look. What else do you need? This vote was about whether the Royals should build downtown or not. The last minute shit from the Chiefs was like "oh wait, what are you guys doing with the money." It was never about them, but it sure determined a course for the future.

Originally Posted by cmh6476 (Post 17557133)

Mike Parson is a longtime STM. Though he's only got 5 more months before he isn't Governor anymore.

Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 17557203)

None of us really know, all we can do is make educated guesses based on people's words and actions.

The groundwork was laid for that months ago before this was ever a hot button issue. I do think McDowell's done good reporting on this, he's not been afraid to criticize both teams but still lay out what's he's hearing according to his sources from both the teams and government officials. That's why I posted this thread from an article he did a while ago.

https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=351198

From the beginning the Chiefs went to the county to try and get the tax extended and according to the team, the county was not responsive. And by all accounts, it seems that a lot of people both in government and with the teams have thought that Frank believes the current lease was not a good lease. So we're not even sure if he was truly in favor of extending the 3/8th tax with no changes at all.

Frank has become the face of that for sure, but to be fair he's also not expressed too many opinions other than what the teams are doing is bad. He has every right to do that, but my point was still that putting all the onus on the teams will open the door for other groups who want to be more proactive to come in and say "Here's another option, let's work together" and negotiate something different. Given Sherman's wife's comments on Facebook and the comments other people have made, including McDowell on that podcast, he's not entirely sure the Chiefs want to work with Frank White again, it seems to open the door for another group to come in with a more proactive strategy to try and work with the teams to negotiate a plan. You're seeing it now. Kansas is saying "We want the teams" and Frank White still can't even say "No we want them to stay here."

Originally Posted by GeorgeZimZam (Post 17557742)

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-theme="dark"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Visionary sports architect David Manica shared another <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Royals?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Royals</a> Stadium “concept.” Incorporates downtown <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/KCMO?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#KCMO</a> skyline. Possible location not revealed. But that’s a heckuva “Crownvision” and outfield view! Manica has designed stadiums globally, and a Super Bowl venue in Vegas! <a href="https://t.co/sVQf4QAqY3">pic.twitter.com/sVQf4QAqY3</a></p>&mdash; John Holt (@JohnHoltNews) <a href="https://twitter.com/JohnHoltNews/status/1803615787157966971?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 20, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Firm envisions Royals stadium a place where 'Homeruns can be hit out of one state and into another'

Kansas City-based firm MANICA released conceptual renderings

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Originally Posted by GloryDayz (Post 17557796)

Let's hope the next Governor isn't so willing to let Pro teams walk to neighboring states.

Originally Posted by Kiimo (Post 17557833)

interesting. Because my only knowledge of that area is "that scary place that is near Golden Ox and Kemper where zombies walk around all year and they have the haunted houses and never ever go there" but maybe it can be built up.


But I haven't been near there in like 20 years so maybe it's better than I remember? Does that area ever flood?

Originally Posted by Tonka83 (Post 17557851)

Wasn't one of the knocks against Kemper was that nobody really wanted to go down there because the location sucked, traffic sucked, nothing to else to do when you went? Other than a "new" stadium, this does not seem like an upgrade over the current location. Just a different bad area that's harder to access.

Originally Posted by Kiimo (Post 17557887)

Maybe there's some kind of low key gentrification already going on there because the location itself seems like it could grow into a new area with a great view of downtown but like that seems like a pretty huge effort.

I also could be mistaken but I think of the west bottoms as smelling like shit. Stockyards and river doesn't scream "pleasant" to me but I'm not sure how accurate that is because I haven't been there since....last century maybe

Originally Posted by KCUnited (Post 17557906)

Chef J's pregame is reason enough alone and the area seems to be slowly coming up so I imagine a stadium in that location seems like what they were talking about early on. Space with the opportunity for entertainment, but then for some reason pivoted to demolishing an existing grassroots entertainment spot in the Crossroads to build. So this makes more sense to me.

Not sure about parking and getting in/out but having just researched parking/stadium experience at Coors field for an upcoming Royals series, it feels kind of similar. They provide like 4300 spaces in 2 lots and the rest seems to be find it nearby and walk. They could run the ****ing streetcar down there but then you run into KS/MO BS but either way this seems somewhat feasible on the surface.

Originally Posted by vonBobo (Post 17558078)

The rail and bus systems in Denver are top notch. Getting from the airport and around town is a public transportation delight and shows how far KC really has to go.

Parking a car at Coors is a ****ing nightmare. The city becomes gridlocked with cars, Ubers, street vendors, etc. And then on non game days the surrounding bar areas are dead.

The whole experience in Denver gives a lot of insight into what KC is considering. Any soul or life was replaced by corporate restaurants and bars, but the public transportation makes KC's lightrail look ill conceived or at the very least decades behind.

Originally Posted by GloryDayz (Post 17557953)

I think they could make the West Bottoms work as long as it means a TON of area improvements (roads and infrastructure), but I still think the East Village would be better in terms of location. Parking would be an issue, but up for anything that drives the demand for light rail from the suburbs into downtown.