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HolyHandgernade 10-02-2011 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by UCF Knight (Post 7961462)
So you really don't think airing high school football games/highlights would be beneficial for the Longhorns?

How much more beneficial can it really be? Are you suggesting Texas doesn't get their pick of Texas recruits already? They can only take so many each year. The ones that didn't grow up dreaming about playing for Texas weren't going to sign with them anyway. The others that do don't need a LHN to convince them any more. We don't compete for those recruits. The only school that does is OU, and even they can't pry the majority of them away, they just make sure they don't go to some other Texas school. So, what is the huge recruiting benefit you see?

mnchiefsguy 10-02-2011 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by beer bacon (Post 7961463)
What is there for him to be wrong about? He didn't say anything definitive.

The tone of what he said seems to indicate Mizzou is leaning towards staying when an opportunity to go to the SEC is there. I hope he is wrong, and that Mizzou is not swayed by these last minute arguments, which are probably empty promises by Texas, OU, etc., and that we take the opportunity to leave those cheating whores of conference mates behind.

eazyb81 10-02-2011 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by mnchiefsguy (Post 7961481)
The tone of what he said seems to indicate Mizzou is leaning towards staying when an opportunity to go to the SEC is there. I hope he is wrong, and that Mizzou is not swayed by these last minute arguments, which are probably empty promises by Texas, OU, etc., and that we take the opportunity to leave those cheating whores of conference mates behind.

The fact that there was no mention of new concessions by UT is a good sign for Mizzou fans that want the SEC. If UT made significant concessions in this meeting, they would want Chip to brag about it to help frame the storyline that they are the good guys here. I think a final offer has been made, and it is time for Mizzou to show its hand.

Mizzou_8541 10-02-2011 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by mnchiefsguy (Post 7961481)
The tone of what he said seems to indicate Mizzou is leaning towards staying when an opportunity to go to the SEC is there. I hope he is wrong, and that Mizzou is not swayed by these last minute arguments, which are probably empty promises by Texas, OU, etc., and that we take the opportunity to leave those cheating whores of conference mates behind.

What else are they going to say?

I think that is good news because we didn't hear any "...proud members of the Big 12" statements.

mnchiefsguy 10-02-2011 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by eazyb81 (Post 7961490)
The fact that there was no mention of new concessions by UT is a good sign for Mizzou fans that want the SEC. If UT made significant concessions in this meeting, they would want Chip to brag about it to help frame the storyline that they are the good guys here. I think a final offer has been made, and it is time for Mizzou to show its hand.

I can see that and agree. Today probably was the final pitch, and no word of major changes or concessions has been leaked. Now the big question is.....Mizzou has to show its hand...what will it be?

mnchiefsguy 10-02-2011 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Mizzou_8541 (Post 7961496)
What else are they going to say?

I think that is good news because we didn't hear any "...proud members of the Big 12" statements.

True as well. I think I said earlier in this thread that every day we go without a "proud member of the Big XII" statement is a day closer Mizzou gets to leaving. Tuesday cannot get here fast enough. I am sure twitter will be on fire tomorrow, if it is not already, with speculation.

HolyHandgernade 10-02-2011 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by eazyb81 (Post 7961470)
We can argue all day about it, but the facts are that LHN is viewed as a major problem by some schools and so far Texas is unwilling to make a change for the good of the conference. If it really is no big deal, as UT will always get the recruits they want and will make more money than God, then why can't they make a concession for the good of the conference?

Because they don't view the LHN as an athletics only venue. Sure, that's the part that gets all the initial attraction, but they use that channel to promote their educational and cultural aspects as well. Much of that money goes to the academic costs, not the athletics ones.

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Originally Posted by eazyb81 (Post 7961470)
To address the LHN problem, it seems clear a Big 12 Network needs to be a solution. A Big 12 Network without Texas is worthless, so getting them into the fold is mandatory. A potential solution I have thought about would be folding LHN into a legit Big 12 Network, but with UT getting a floor on revenue that is no less than the current LHN arrangement ($15MM per year) and the upside as every other team; so once total network revenue in a 10-team league exceeded $150MM per year, each school would get an equal payout.

There is no way that is going to happen, highlighted by the reasons I just pointed out above. Its not just an athletics channel to UT. By saying such a network is "worthless" without UT, I think, is very demeaning to the rest of the field. They have trouble selling that network as it is. I bet if the Texas cable companies sold the Big XII and LHN as some sort of package, most Texans would buy both.

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Originally Posted by eazyb81 (Post 7961470)
UT could do this and still save face (which is clearly important for them), as there is no chance they will lose money. The Big 12 could save face by arguing this special arrangement makes sense as UT provided initial funding to get LHN off the ground.

If it was about money, they would have joined the PAC. That system, even without Texas, is projected to make more than Texas will on their own. This isn't about money to Texas, its about what Texas values in the LHN. To me, it looks like everyone was fine with the revenue system for 3rd Tier until Texas showed how much they were worth on their own. All of a sudden, everyone got nervous about their place with feelings of inadequacy.

The sooner we stop focusing on the LHN, the sooner everyone will realize the original mole hill we made into a mountain.

Mizzou_8541 10-02-2011 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by mnchiefsguy (Post 7961498)
I can see that and agree. Today probably was the final pitch, and no word of major changes or concessions has been leaked. Now the big question is.....Mizzou has to show its hand...what will it be?

Should be a fun few days. Hopefully the BOC pulls the trigger.

patteeu 10-02-2011 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by mnchiefsguy (Post 7961481)
The tone of what he said seems to indicate Mizzou is leaning towards staying when an opportunity to go to the SEC is there. I hope he is wrong, and that Mizzou is not swayed by these last minute arguments, which are probably empty promises by Texas, OU, etc., and that we take the opportunity to leave those cheating whores of conference mates behind.

If they stay, the way I'd read it is that they wanted to stay all along but wanted to extract as many concessions as possible from Texas before taking the deal.

eazyb81 10-02-2011 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by HolyHandgernade (Post 7961508)
Because they don't view the LHN as an athletics only venue. Sure, that's the part that gets all the initial attraction, but they use that channel to promote their educational and cultural aspects as well. Much of that money goes to the academic costs, not the athletics ones.

Right, because they are trying to promote UT over the Big 12, which is driving the wedge here. Why didn't OSU or Michigan feel the need to say "no thanks" to a Big Ten Network and start a school-specific one? Why have other conferences said LHN simply would not be allowed if UT came knocking?

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There is no way that is going to happen, highlighted by the reasons I just pointed out above. Its not just an athletics channel to UT. By saying such a network is "worthless" without UT, I think, is very demeaning to the rest of the field. They have trouble selling that network as it is. I bet if the Texas cable companies sold the Big XII and LHN as some sort of package, most Texans would buy both.
I agree it won't happen, but it would be a solution to this mess and resolve a significant amount of internal conflict.

And sorry if you don't like the term "worthless", but that is exactly how ESPN, Fox, etc would view the revenue potential of a Big 12 Network without Texas. The Big Ten Network would be worthless without OSU and Michigan. The upcoming SEC Network will be worthless without Florida and Alabama.

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If it was about money, they would have joined the PAC. That system, even without Texas, is projected to make more than Texas will on their own. This isn't about money to Texas, its about what Texas values in the LHN. To me, it looks like everyone was fine with the revenue system for 3rd Tier until Texas showed how much they were worth on their own. All of a sudden, everyone got nervous about their place with feelings of inadequacy.

The sooner we stop focusing on the LHN, the sooner everyone will realize the original mole hill we made into a mountain.
This point goes back to the prior that a Big 12 Network is worthless without Texas. With LHN, Texas is eliminating upside from a potential Big 12 Network from schools like ISU, KSU, KU, etc.

Don't worry, hopefully the last of the complainers will be gone shortly and you guys can forget this mess ever happened. Schools like Mizzou, A&M, Nebraska, and Colorado just don't understand the great vision of LHN.

Al Bundy 10-02-2011 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by HolyHandgernade (Post 7961479)
How much more beneficial can it really be? Are you suggesting Texas doesn't get their pick of Texas recruits already? They can only take so many each year. The ones that didn't grow up dreaming about playing for Texas weren't going to sign with them anyway. The others that do don't need a LHN to convince them any more. We don't compete for those recruits. The only school that does is OU, and even they can't pry the majority of them away, they just make sure they don't go to some other Texas school. So, what is the huge recruiting benefit you see?

Recruiting advantage and if you really can't see it I can't help you. Period.

|Zach| 10-02-2011 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by HolyHandgernade (Post 7961508)

If it was about money, they would have joined the PAC.

You have been in left field on these issues during this whole process.

Mosbonian 10-02-2011 08:26 PM

So...any more info come out after the meeting of the Big 12 Presidents and the Chancellors?

Any updates?

HolyHandgernade 10-02-2011 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by UCF Knight (Post 7962037)
Recruiting advantage and if you really can't see it I can't help you. Period.

I didn't ask for your help, I asked you to explain it. I explained why I didn't think it was, your only return seems to be "because I said so". This leads me to believe it is only a recruiting advantage in your mind because you can't describe it for anyone else.

HolyHandgernade 10-02-2011 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by |Zach| (Post 7962057)
You have been in left field on these issues during this whole process.

All right, drag me into the infield, explain it instead of using obscure analogies to hide what appears to only be an insecurity rationale.


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