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Saccopoo 01-12-2014 04:56 AM

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Originally Posted by aturnis (Post 10363453)
This.

I know the guy had a shit season. Horrible. Putrid.

But he also had a pretty darn good rookie season. I don't see guys just going in the tank that fast. There has got to be some middle ground there.

Perhaps it was scheme. Perhaps it was his injury that made him tentative. I don't know. I just don't know. He obviously blew, the scheme blew or something, because the offenses we played went after that area of the field like a hungry chicken after a hot horse turd.

Right now, they definitely need somebody back there that can turn on a ball and get into the right position in a deep zone.

That's why I have Zimmerman in my mock. He's as good as anybody at the position in this draft class at playing the ball in the air. Really solid player.

And I'd be pretty okay with Berry and Abdullah starting and Commings and Zimmerman as your reserves/nickel/dime guys.

aturnis 01-14-2014 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 10363468)
I know the guy had a shit season. Horrible. Putrid.

But he also had a pretty darn good rookie season. I don't see guys just going in the tank that fast. There has got to be some middle ground there.

Perhaps it was scheme. Perhaps it was his injury that made him tentative. I don't know. I just don't know. He obviously blew, the scheme blew or something, because the offenses we played went after that area of the field like a hungry chicken after a hot horse turd.

Right now, they definitely need somebody back there that can turn on a ball and get into the right position in a deep zone.

That's why I have Zimmerman in my mock. He's as good as anybody at the position in this draft class at playing the ball in the air. Really solid player.

And I'd be pretty okay with Berry and Abdullah starting and Commings and Zimmerman as your reserves/nickel/dime guys.

That was also before he destroyed his shoulder causing him to favor it and making him an even worse tackler than he already was. Even if he was good in coverage, he's such a liability as a tackler that he has to go.

Saccopoo 01-14-2014 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by aturnis (Post 10369362)
That was also before he destroyed his shoulder causing him to favor it and making him an even worse tackler than he already was. Even if he was good in coverage, he's such a liability as a tackler that he has to go.

I know...

It just bothers me that he flashed some serious potential his rookie season. I thought he soundly outplayed Berry that year.

And I'm sure the shoulder situation has something to do with it. The position is a brutal position to play - you've got to keep your weight down to be effective going against speed guys, but then you are still asked to deal with huge tight ends, power backs, and then you've got to worry about getting clobbered by OL guys pulling out on the second level. It's no wonder that the safety guys always seem to be injured these days.

But it's really not the tackling that bothered me this past season, it was his inability to be in his spot in the zone or cover the back routes effectively. He was flat out horrible, where he didn't have much of a problem with it in previous seasons. And I've seen where it looks like that position is a serious premium under Sutton and his man press scheme.

That back safety is asked to cover a lot of ground and if our front seven isn't pressuring the QB, that safety is basically screwed with any type of accurate QB. It's a lot to ask, and as such, the position in this scheme is going to require a guy who not only has good ball skills, but the hyper athleticism to be able to react to either side of the back field quickly. Either that or the guy has to have Luke Kuechly level football instincts to go along with very good speed (as Kuechly has at the ILB spot).

I just don't know. I don't necessarily see anybody in the draft like that. I love Zimmerman's instincts, but I don't know about his speed at the next level for this system.

Personally, we had all better hope that Commings turns it on this off-season. He's got the speed required, and I liked what I saw from him at Georgia in terms of tackling and ball skills. He's got a thick build as well. If he makes the necessary strides, we've already got our man. If he doesn't, I think we're basically ****ed again.

aturnis 01-14-2014 07:09 PM

Kendrick Lewis WATCHED Andrew Luck pick up a fumble and score a touchdown. He literally did not attempt to take him.

When he's unemployed, I will dance.

Mav 01-16-2014 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by aturnis (Post 10370478)
Kendrick Lewis WATCHED Andrew Luck pick up a fumble and score a touchdown. He literally did not attempt to take him.

When he's unemployed, I will dance.

You won't miss the tackle by getting run over and holding on for dear life that Lewis patented?

Saccopoo 01-16-2014 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace (Post 10373194)
You won't miss the tackle by getting run over and holding on for dear life that Lewis patented?

Like I said, they better pray to the gods of football that Sanders Commings gets it this off-season. Otherwise, they/we are going to be in for more of the same, although I think Abdullah made significant strides towards the end of the season after taking a year off.

RunKC 01-16-2014 10:24 PM

1. Calvin Pryor S Louisville
3. Jared Abbrederis WR Wisconsin

My God I would JIMP if that happened.

BryanBusby 01-18-2014 02:24 AM

Calvin Pryor in the first round would be a dumbass pick.

Sounds like something Andy would do.

OldSchool 01-18-2014 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 10376332)
Calvin Pryor in the first round would be a dumbass pick.

Sounds like something Andy would do.

Imo, none of the safeties are worth a round 1 pick, Haha is an overrated second round prospect as well.

Saccopoo 01-26-2014 06:45 PM

Updated to reflect Chiefs needs after the Shrine game and Senior Bowl.

aturnis 01-26-2014 07:21 PM

I like this draft. I'm an Iowa fan, so I'm familiar with Hageman. Big and fast for sure. Violent. I'm assuming you'd line him up at DE?

Hope the Ravens don't take him. Then again, they're just as likely to go WR.

Saccopoo 01-26-2014 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by aturnis (Post 10394899)
I like this draft. I'm an Iowa fan, so I'm familiar with Hageman. Big and fast for sure. Violent. I'm assuming you'd line him up at DE?
Hope the Ravens don't take him. Then again, they're just as likely to go WR.

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Hoover 01-26-2014 11:03 PM

Yeah, I'd be pleased with a draft like this.

While everyone and their brother think that the Chiefs are going to sign a FA WR, I think that would be a waste considering that there is so much WR talent in this draft. We need to use our FA budget to fix the FS spot and that probably it.

aturnis 01-27-2014 12:51 AM

I agree. If we pulled in a guy like Hageman, he could really help to make Tamba effective enough that his replacement can wait.

RunKC 01-27-2014 03:12 PM

I'm all for beefing up the front 7, but I think that Tuitt fits better. Love his athleticism and pass rush ability


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