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Micjones 08-07-2008 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsFan4Life (Post 4897897)
I think it's pretty obvious that he would want him to remain alive in prison with the possibility of new evidence coming to light that one day may set him free

You're right. It'd be fair for me to set a match to the Constitution because of my own personal tragedy.

Let's deny the man the opportunity to due process because he killed one of my family members.

Uncle_Ted 08-07-2008 12:06 PM

I generally oppose the death penalty, but if it's going to be applied it should not IMO be applied to a "mere" accomplice. Giving the death penalty in such a case only encourages all of a future killer's accomplices to in turn murder every possible witness they come across (since if they are caught they are all getting the needle anyway, regardless of which one of them is the actual killer).

That said, I know nothing about the case except what was in the original post, so I'd be shocked if the inmate is as "innocent" as he claims.

beach tribe 08-07-2008 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Micjones (Post 4897899)
It wouldn't change my respect for human life.
I get the sentimentality card. You want to play on my emotions.
But even personal tragedy doesn't change how sacred life is for me.

Whose life. The life of the guy who was dumped in the woods, or the shit bags who put him there.

I know, I know, both. **** that, I have more respect for a dogs life than a damned body dumper.

Micjones 08-07-2008 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsFan4Life (Post 4897902)
You didn't answer the question, surprise surprise

What would you want his sentence to be

I WOULDN'T want it to be the death penalty.

Life in prison maybe.
30 years. Depends on the circumstances and details of the case.
But surely I can give a reasonable sentence with just a hypothetical situation to work from. Boy I tell ya...

PhillyChiefFan 08-07-2008 12:08 PM

I have complete respect for human life, which is why is someone takes it, I believe their lives should be taken also.

Micjones 08-07-2008 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Uncle_Ted (Post 4897912)
I generally oppose the death penalty, but if it's going to be applied it should not IMO be applied to a "mere" accomplice. Giving the death penalty in such a case only encourages all of a future killer's accomplices to in turn murder every possible witness they come across (since if they are caught they are all getting the needle anyway, regardless of which one of them is the actual killer).

That said, I know nothing about the case except what was in the original post, so I'd be shocked if the inmate is as "innocent" as he claims.

Whether or not the death penalty is equitable considering the fact that he was only an accomplice hasn't even been argued yet. I would venture to guess that cases involving accomplices being sentenced to death are fairly rare.

Again, this goes to my argument about the death penalty being equitable in practice.

Micjones 08-07-2008 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by PhillyChiefFan (Post 4897918)
I have complete respect for human life, which is why is someone takes it, I believe their lives should be taken also.

Fair enough.

How then should that be applied? The same across the board?
Should negligence that leads to accidental death be punishable by the death penalty?

Redrum_69 08-07-2008 12:10 PM

How the hell did we go from the death penalty...to slavery...

and now

in two hours

Chad Pennington will be editor for WPI

PhillyChiefFan 08-07-2008 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Micjones (Post 4897915)
I WOULDN'T want it to be the death penalty.

Life in prison maybe.
30 years. Depends on the circumstances and details of the case.
But surely I can give a reasonable sentence with just a hypothetical situation to work from. Boy I tell ya...

Yes, cause I would feel so much better having the guy that murdered my family member alive and well and using my tax dollars to eat, sleep, and take a sh*t....boy I tell ya.

DeezNutz 08-07-2008 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Micjones (Post 4897908)
Let's deny the man the opportunity to due process because he killed one of my family members.

Was the man in question denied due process? How are you defining this?

PhillyChiefFan 08-07-2008 12:13 PM

I am talking about cold blood murder.

You are talking about apples and oranges. You can not compare accidental death with this situation.

Micjones 08-07-2008 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by PhillyChiefFan (Post 4897929)
Yes, cause I would feel so much better having the guy that murdered my family member alive and well and using my tax dollars to eat, sleep, and take a sh*t....boy I tell ya.

Actually the death penalty proves to be more expensive than life-in-prison sentences. Try again...

little jacob 08-07-2008 12:14 PM

i don't know him really well but i know someone on death row in another state. we were friends at one time and i have written him and he replies. at the time of his crime i hadn't talked to him in a few years. so i dont know much about that. i dont ask about it.

i can't believe he did what he did, but he knows what the price was on his deed and i think in a way he is looking forward to paying off the balance. i dont like what is coming but he deserves it. every day since that day has been found money for him. he has really changed, and i think he is a decent man today. but does he deserve mercy? i dont think he does. he has to settle up with the state for what he's done, and he has to submit justice to the people he hurt.

Micjones 08-07-2008 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by PhillyChiefFan (Post 4897936)
I am talking about cold blood murder.

You are talking about apples and oranges. You can not compare accidental death with this situation.

So the death penalty should only be applied to people who kill in cold blood?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't that rule this guy out?
I thought he didn't do the killings himself?

beach tribe 08-07-2008 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Micjones (Post 4897921)
Whether or not the death penalty is equitable considering the fact that he was only an accomplice hasn't even been argued yet. I would venture to guess that cases involving accomplices being sentenced to death are fairly rare.

Again, this goes to my argument about the death penalty being equitable in practice.

If they hadn't proceeded to kill MORE people he would not have gotten the DP.


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