How idiotic.

I'm still waiting on that list of multiple SB winning QB's.

I mean, Roethlisberger "fell into" 2 championships in 4 years, the list must be a mile long if it's that easy.

Eli surely hasn't played to the level expected of a franchise QB his entire career, and that was the Manning I was referring to.

55.9% completions
76.1 passer rating.


Dilfer:
55.5% completions
70.2 passer rating

Brad Johnson:
61.7% completions
82.5 passer rating


3 players with 1 Super Bowl win each. So, if Eli is a 'Franchise' QB, how is it that Johnson and Dilfer weren't?

I guess you aren't getting the point. Roth was fortunate enough to be on a great TEAM.

kinda like...Trent Dilfer, eh?

Nice avy! :D

That fact that you made it THIS far in the thread before exploding just boggles my ****ing mind.
Rep to you Sir.

Feel free to compare the guy who's played 4 years, with his entire career ahead of him, with two guys that combined for close to 30 seasons...

I will, just as you're comparing Cassel, a guy with one season playing, to players with a lot more years as starters under their belts.

He didn't start playing football until 2003?

I'd say '97-'02 and '06-'08 had a lot to do with him not being a franchise QB. And the HOF question is a ridiculous leap. If player X had only played at an incredibly high level for his entire career, wouldn't he be a HOFer?

Of course, and if frogs had wings...

You know why?

All I've been told for the past 3 months is how important his experience is, and how sitting for years behind Brady makes him a can't miss veteran - how it made so much more sense to get him instead of drafting a young QB.

"Cassel can handle it, we'd ruin a young QB."

So the people are getting what they asked for.

He's the expert at ridiculous leaps...

According to him, all we needed was a defense and Trent would have won the SB for us.

Talk about putting the ****ing cart before the horse, as the franchise hadn't won a playoff game in over a decade...

I guess it depends on when you ask the question "is he a franchise QB?" Is it when his career is over, at the peak of his career, or after a few seasons? We seem to be comparing apples to oranges - everyone is being judged at different points in their career and by different standards.

Who kows what TGreen would have been if circumstances were different. Riding the bench for so long, being on shitty teams, the STL injury in 99, getting decapitated...twice.

The "what-if" question abounds - Terrell Davis and Priest Holmes are just the tip of the iceberg. Reggie White may only be the greatest defensive player ever because he went to GB and got a ring. Dan Marino is discounted because he never got one.

You've been completely inconsistent with your arguments, all the while cherry picking comments from a few individuals rather than dealing with the general consensus about Cassel. Acting as if it's somehow others "getting what they asked for" is a steaming pile, nothing more.

Eli Manning is a franchise player according to you, but it's somehow unfair for others to point to Dilfer and Johnson in refuting that assertion because of career length? And you talk about the bullshit other posters have put down?

Was Marino a franchise QB?
Tarenton?
Fouts?
Jim Kelly?
Jay Schroeder?
Doug Williams?
Ken Stabler?

Do you have a full list of the NFL's franchise QBs since, say, 1970?

And the 3 months thing is just another load of bullshit. You've been blowing Sanchez and pounding on Cassel since before that 3 month period even started.

uh...we had the best offense and special teams in football. if we had a defense, what other conclusion would you come up with?

and no single player wins a SB, a team does. That's my whole point.

what does that have to do with anything? how many playoff games had Arizona won in the last decade, before they went to the SB last year?

To me, a franchise QB is one who is the cornerstone of his team. He plays at a very high level for a significant period of time, elevating the play of those who surround him.

Furthermore, he is able to put the team on his shoulders and win a game, and he's able to do this on the biggest stage.

Based on the above, it's pretty easy to see the distinction between a Dilfer and a Roethlisberger. A Marino and a Green.

None of that shit matters because he's a former Patriot. A product the Great Piolichick. A God among men from New England.

New England; where micro-brews flow through the rivers and streams so fresh and clean, you can dip your bottle in and taste Ambrosia. Where the sewers smell like a Lilly patch, and the turds transform in to chocolate bars as the piss becomes lemonade!
Where $100.00 bills grow from every chloroform-based vegetation as Prime Rib is hand delivered to your front door by Playboy Bunnies!
And where the Greatest Quarterbacks you'll ever be lucky enough to have pawned-off on you, you worthless, ****ing non-New England-ite, shall NEVER be questioned, only Praised and Worshiped.

You infidel.