dude, you totally got me...and you didn't even have to post that one gif you post in every post either....good job, dude...

dane i wouldnt bash you. but i do recall your posts about this being the LEAST talented team in football. many in fact. who was responsible for that? herm and carl. the blame falls on both

And he blew this franchise the **** up!

Vermiel started planting the bombs, Herm pushed the button...

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here are just a few posts dane. all from this year 2009. the 2nd from last was 1-29-2009

here are just a few posts dane. all from this year 2009.[/quote]

Jason, I wasn't talking about the drafts that occurred in 2007 and 2008 (hell, really not even 2009).

I don't really have a problem with Herm's drafts, especially 2008.

It's other people that have a problem with Herm, period.

The "better or worse after four games" argument is a short-term view. You need to think long-term. As has been said before, Pioli could've easily made the Chiefs look really good. He could've kept Tony Gonzalez. He could've hired a "name" coach. He could've signed an old retread QB like Jeff Garcia. And the Chiefs might be 2-2 right now, and might bob along to a 7-9 or 8-8 record. But as a team they wouldn't be any better in the long-term, with no plan or solution. Thinking short-term is what got the Chiefs into the mess they're in. Sometimes you have to suffer a bit more on the front end to get the results on the back end.

Jason, I wasn't talking about the drafts that occurred in 2007 and 2008 (hell, really not even 2009).

I don't really have a problem with Herm's drafts, especially 2008.

It's other people that have a problem with Herm, period.[/QUOTE]

dane if herms drafts were so great how could we have the least talented roster in the league?

the quote function must be ****ed up today

You're missing the whole point of this discussion:

Pioli didn't ANYTHING this year long-term for the Chiefs.

Do you think Goff will be with the Chiefs next year? Vrabel? Waters? LJ? Bradley? Mays? Belcher? Hell, even DJ? Ron Edwards?

Where's the "foundation" of the future? Where's the game-changers? Where's the improvement, period?

Oh that's right: There is none.

I guess they should just quit and dissolve the franchise?

Jason, how many draft picks are there per year?

Oh, that's right: 7.

So, if the Chiefs hit on every single player during Herm's three year tenure (which is virtually impossible for any team to achieve), that's 21 players.

21 players. Out of 53.

Now, that nonsense aside, let's say the Chiefs went 4-3 this year instead of ****ing up the last three years and changing to the 3-4.

The Chiefs would have Flowers, Carr, Page, Hali, Dorsey, Turk, Tank, Albert, Cottam, Charles, Morgan, Pollard, Bowe, Leggett, Derrick Johnson and Kolby Smith as their building blocks.

How many guys is that? 16 guys. 16 guys out of 53.

You still need another seven very good players to complete your starting roster, which the Chiefs STILL do not have. Center, Right Guard, Right Tackle, two linebackers, two wide receivers, two running backs and a ton of depth. Oh, and a QB.

I'd say that's the least talented roster in the league, especially given that many of those guys are nothing more than average.

Are you kidding?

It's already been completely dismantled.

As I've said since November 2008: This is an expansion franchise in terms of talent.

cottam smith turk hali morgan pollard? come on dane

What? Are you telling me that those guys aren't average football players?

Your roster cannot be built on the backs of Superstars.

You need average to above average players at most positions, save QB and pass rusher, who need to be exceptional if there's any chance of a championship.

Everyone can't be a Pro-Bowler, Jason.

And as it stands currently, the Chiefs have maybe eight players on their roster that are average or above.

The rest suck ass.

Carl, then DV, then...................Herm.

The only talent on the team comes from the Herm years. DV and Carl's blind loyalty and indiscretion to Grandpa are the elements that really ****ed this franchise.