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Mecca 12-16-2009 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6351712)
What we know for a fact is that this past off-season was an impressive disaster, so we're pretty safe to make a few assumptions about how we reached this point.

The same offseason that if you questioned what they were doing while it was happening you were ripped a new one.

DeezNutz 12-16-2009 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6351727)
The same offseason that if you questioned what they were doing while it was happening you were ripped a new one.

"I think it's pretty clear that someone with Pioli's track record knows what he's doing. I trust him completely."

Oops.

beach tribe 12-16-2009 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by philfree (Post 6351611)
Truely a season of evaluation of the whole roster. I don't blame Piloi for standing pat and him and his HC learning first hand what they truely had. How these players would respond to new schemes and new work ethic. As far as the players that were brought in I think those guys were brought in to build the roster from the bottom up with a small hope of finding a diamond in the rough. So to look at that process as some kind of fail because the talent wasn't majorly overhauled is a little over the top IMO. I'm not down on Pioli for doing things his way. He should try to build this team the way he sees fit. We all arm chair evaluate some of his moves as good or bad and that's fine. But to not see what he's trying to do is the equivalent to burying ones head in the sand. Will Pioli's way get us what we want? I don't know but I can't blame him for the way he's started his rein in KC.


PhilFree:arrow:

This is what I've been saying for forever.
It blows my mind that everyone is so up in arms over a season like this one.
We picked a player in the first round that, on average, doesn't mature for a few seasons.
That, was one of the MANY indications, IMO, that this was going to be a season of learning, and evaluation.
I fully expect massive turnover this off-season.


I know. I'm a Pialeyite. I can't think for myself.:rolleyes:

Hammock Parties 12-16-2009 12:52 PM

Pioli didn't "stand pat."

He turned over 65 percent of the roster.

FAIL

beach tribe 12-16-2009 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 6351686)
I think that the owner who paid those players lots of guaranteed money might want to see if those players are salvageable before throwing money at free agents. We all know that free agency isn't the wonder cure it's made out to be.

No, I'm not talking about a handful of players. More than a handful of players from the last several draft classes were around in May when the team actually got them on the field for the first time and had a hands on opportunity to coach and evaluate them.

"Are you kidding?"

"Why the hell would they want to do that?"

Mecca 12-16-2009 12:53 PM

I thought you were leaving?

DeezNutz 12-16-2009 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6351740)
Pioli didn't "stand pat."

He turned over 65 percent of the roster.

FAIL

He had no access to game film. We had to play an entire season for him to decide if some our current players would fit in his system.

It was also part of "the process" for LJ to self destruct on Twitter, thus opening the door to the Chiefs MVP, Charles.

Succop, you're great, but you're a ****ing kicker. And I'm not crowning your ass, yet, like many have done with our punter, who is the most ridiculously overrated player in recent memory.

beach tribe 12-16-2009 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6351745)
I thought you were leaving?

I did.

Now I'm back. Did you miss me?

dirk digler 12-16-2009 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6351600)
If it's an evaluation year quickly explain to me why Mike Brown keeps starting...why are young players on the bench?

You act like the only day they evaluate players is on Sunday forgetting the other 5 days of the week. Morgan didn't sniff the field last year and it looks like he will gone at the end of this year.

As why they brought in some of these older players was because many "experts" on here and around the NFL stated that what Herm did was wrong putting all these young players on a team with little or no veteran leadership. Apparently they believed the same thing so they brought in some of these guys to show these young guys how to prepare, watch tape correctly, and how to do the day to day things correctly to be a better NFL player. I think the reason why some of the older guys are still playing is because the young guys still aren't cutting it.

Just my .02 cents.

Mecca 12-16-2009 12:59 PM

Well I see these vet leaders have really made a difference.

OnTheWarpath15 12-16-2009 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6351755)
Well I see these vet leaders have really made a difference.

The GM gets a pass because the Owner doesn't want to spend money - yet we gave Zach Thomas $1M to ride a stationary bike for 3 weeks.

Mecca 12-16-2009 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6351760)
The GM gets a pass because the Owner doesn't want to spend money - yet we gave Zach Thomas $1M to ride a stationary bike for 3 weeks.

Basically what we've come to is he gets a 5 year pass because his name isn't Carl Peterson, no wonder he came here.

beach tribe 12-16-2009 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 6351751)
You act like the only day they evaluate players is on Sunday forgetting the other 5 days of the week. Morgan didn't sniff the field last year and it looks like he will gone at the end of this year.

As why they brought in some of these older players was because many "experts" on here and around the NFL stated that what Herm did was wrong putting all these young players on a team with little or no veteran leadership. Apparently they believed the same thing so they brought in some of these guys to show these young guys how to prepare, watch tape correctly, and how to do the day to day things correctly to be a better NFL player. I think the reason why some of the older guys are still playing is because the young guys still aren't cutting it.

Just my .02 cents.

I could have sworn everyone pretty much agreed on this before the season IIRC.

dirk digler 12-16-2009 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6351755)
Well I see these vet leaders have really made a difference.

I think it has helped. It might not show up in the win column yet but it could payoff down the road.

There is no question we need a shitload more talent

DeezNutz 12-16-2009 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 6351751)
You act like the only day they evaluate players is on Sunday forgetting the other 5 days of the week. Morgan didn't sniff the field last year and it looks like he will gone at the end of this year.

As why they brought in some of these older players was because many "experts" on here and around the NFL stated that what Herm did was wrong putting all these young players on a team with little or no veteran leadership. Apparently they believed the same thing so they brought in some of these guys to show these young guys how to prepare, watch tape correctly, and how to do the day to day things correctly to be a better NFL player. I think the reason why some of the older guys are still playing is because the young guys still aren't cutting it.

Just my .02 cents.

Someone explain how Mike Brown is "cutting it."

Morgan, in limited action, was a clear upgrade.


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