Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6713185)

Benn can be a #1 WR. At 50, I was talking about guys like Golden Tate or Damien Williams, who can be slot and #2 guys, respectively.

If we would have drafted any of those 3 at 36, let alone 50 for Tate or Williams, people would have universally lauded those as excellent value picks.


And Dave Meggett was a KR/PR/WR/RB

He had 530 receiving yards his rookie year and around 120 rushing yards, but was one of the best KR and PR in the league (although I don't see McCluster doing either one of those)

He was 5'7 190 pounds.


I guaran****ingtee you, that if you look at Pioli's history and absolute fealty to Parcells and the Patriot way, he didn't think of McCluster as Wes Welker, he thought of him as Dave Meggett.

Originally Posted by mmaddog (Post 6713184)

Hamas:

A legitimate question here:

What's the difference in selecting Tony Moeaki vs. selecting Sergio Kindle, not taking in their point of selection but factoring it more on taking a flyer on an injured player?

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Originally Posted by billay (Post 6713191)

Those who compare McCluster to Welker don't watch college football.

Originally Posted by mmaddog (Post 6713189)

A possible explanation could be that he was good enough that no one threw in his direction? I don't know if that is the right answer...but it's a possible explanation.

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Originally Posted by billay (Post 6713191)

Those who compare McCluster to Welker don't watch college football.

Originally Posted by mmaddog (Post 6713184)

Hamas:

A legitimate question here:

What's the difference in selecting Tony Moeaki vs. selecting Sergio Kindle, not taking in their point of selection but factoring it more on taking a flyer on an injured player?

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Originally Posted by mmaddog (Post 6713196)

Wow....what a leap..

And what makes you say that?

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6713119)

And for the record, this is the second year in a row that this is happened, so everyone should plainly expect it in 2011 too.

The team drafts, and 90% of the fans fall over backwards fellating the front office.

Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 6713211)

That's a load of shit. I don't know what ****ing draft you watched in 2009, or what town you were watching it in. Nobody liked last year's draft.

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6713194)

First, there wasn't consensus opinion, it seems, on the severity of Kindle's injury.

Though the selection is higher, you're not giving up picks to select Kindle, and the risk/reward is entirely slanted in his favor. In KC, we've seen what the greatest TE in the game can bring, and we also have a pretty good idea what a high-quality rush backer can bring, too.

Which would you prefer?

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6713119)

And what do you have? Hootie going from "disgusted" to comparing McCluster to Desean Jackson, Percy Harvin, and Wes Welker in five minutes. Javier Arenas turns into Devin Hester. McCluster (and look in the draft thread) changes from "McCluster****" to a dynamic playmaker over the course of four hours.

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6713204)

Kindle's knee issue WRT microfracture was something that one team felt he needed. He missed some time as a sophomore, but he doesn't have the catalog of injuries that Moeaki does.

Ultimately, if you want to pass on him for those concerns, I can understand, but it's funny that the same team that took Rolle when we didn't because of spinal stenosis concerns (Baltimore) did the same here.

What I can't understand is why you'd pass up not only Kindle, but Linval Joseph, Daryl Washington, Everson Griffen, Terrance Cody, Torrell Troup, Cam Thomas, etc. multiple times.

Originally Posted by mmaddog (Post 6713220)

First...why would you waste a pick that high on anyone that has had an injury that could affect his mobility?

I'm willing to concede that it might not have any effect and we could have chosen him and I would be wrong. But are you willing to concede that had we picked him and he got hurt in Training Camp/1st Game of the regular season that most, if not all, who were wanting us to select him would be bitching about wasting a high draft pick on a player we knew had an injury before?

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Originally Posted by billay (Post 6713198)

Shipley beat him up pretty bad. The thing is I don't hear alot about his cover skills everyone mentions his punt returning skills. Thats great for a late round pick not a second round pick.

Originally Posted by TEX (Post 6712302)

As others have said - 2 years ago. How's that one turnng out?