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chiefzilla1501 11-07-2011 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 8090483)
If you can't determine the difference between dumb stuff like giving kids money, cars and clothes and being a part of a cover up on crimes against humanity, I have literally no idea what to tell you.

You've completely misinterpreted, as has everyone else.

People are claiming McQueary's career would have been fine if he snitched. I'm claiming that Athletic Directors who run shady programs (and they all do) aren't going to hire a rat just because he's a good guy. That is so ridiculously unrealistic. College programs are shady. They're not looking to do the right thing. McQueary's career takes a huge hit if he snitches. It sucks that society works that way, but that's why in so many situations, we see so many good people afraid to blow the whistle.

BryanBusby 11-07-2011 08:19 PM

No, I think we clearly understand. Even "OH EM GEE SHADY AND CROOKED" college programs will have the ability to understand the difference between reporting NCAA violations and violations that are sick and against federal laws.

Unless you're trying to say that scandals like this go on in many college programs.

By keeping quiet about it outside of the program, he's pretty much ****ed as he'll be known as the dude that kept quiet about child rape. Yeah, definitely a career booster there.

VAChief 11-07-2011 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 8090501)
You've completely misinterpreted, as has everyone else.

People are claiming McQueary's career would have been fine if he snitched. I'm claiming that Athletic Directors who run shady programs (and they all do) aren't going to hire a rat just because he's a good guy. That is so ridiculously unrealistic. College programs are shady. They're not looking to do the right thing. McQueary's career takes a huge hit if he snitches. It sucks that society works that way, but that's why in so many situations, we see so many good people afraid to blow the whistle.

He wouldn't be blowing the whistle on the athletic department...this guy wasn't even fning working for them at the time!!!! I would say he could have frozen and wasn't sure what to do and reported it to Paterno, but given a little bit of time and reflection, how could you not follow up and say "what the f, your not going to report this prick?" It is unfathomable.

The Bad Guy 11-07-2011 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 8090258)
I know it's crazy, but you're asking a lot of McQueary.

I've read plenty of Enron case studies. A lot of people know they're doing the wrong, hate that they're doing the wrong thing, but are you willing to throw away your entire future to blow the whistle? That's a lot to ask of a guy. It makes me sick too, but the decision is a hell of a lot harder than people think.

I'm a huge Joe Pa fan, but his situation is a little different. He's in a position of power. He owns that University. I hate that he made the completely wrong moral decision on this one.

Yeah, McQueary was really putting his graduate assistant job on the line.

Good ****ing god.

Brock 11-07-2011 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by frazod (Post 8090476)
When I'm thrust into a crisis situation, I tend to react violently. I doubt if I'd go meekly snitch on the guy - I'd probably grab the nearest thing I could use as a weapon and beat the hell out of him.

But most people don't have my temper.

That wouldn't have been inappropriate.

The Bad Guy 11-07-2011 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 8090501)
You've completely misinterpreted, as has everyone else.

People are claiming McQueary's career would have been fine if he snitched. I'm claiming that Athletic Directors who run shady programs (and they all do) aren't going to hire a rat just because he's a good guy. That is so ridiculously unrealistic. College programs are shady. They're not looking to do the right thing. McQueary's career takes a huge hit if he snitches. It sucks that society works that way, but that's why in so many situations, we see so many good people afraid to blow the whistle.

The fact that you treat molesting kids basically in the same vein as a recruiting violation swept under the rug makes me nauscious.

You can add your life takes on this board to your list of shitty football takes.

Saul Good 11-07-2011 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Bugeater (Post 8090470)
You're missing the point. You can do all the right things and the monster still may roam free. And a lot of you must have missed the posts about the prosecutor in this case turning up missing.

I'm not missing that point. I acknowledged it's possible, but it's worth the risk.

Saul Good 11-07-2011 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 8090480)
I didn't say it was "okay." I said it's human nature.

Human nature isn't a defense for human behavior.

Frazod 11-07-2011 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 8090522)
That wouldn't have been inappropriate.

Certainly not in my mind, but I assume the police would see it differently.

Saul Good 11-07-2011 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by frazod (Post 8090534)
Certainly not in my mind, but I assume the police would see it differently.

The guy slipped in the shower. I've seen a lot of police officers buy some incredibly obvious lies when it comes to someone taking a well-deserved beating. A buddy of mine used to bounce at a strip club. It's amazing how many times customers fell down and broke their noses/jaws/teeth while my buddy tore up his knuckles trying to catch them.

chiefzilla1501 11-07-2011 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 8090516)
Yeah, McQueary was really putting his graduate assistant job on the line.

Good ****ing god.

I don't think you understand what football and Joe Pa mean to Happy Valley, and how damn powerful Jerry Sandusky was at the time. College football programs like that... Joe Pa can walk on air. And how do you know Paterno or Curley or Sandusky didn't threaten him in some way? Seeing how far they went to cover this up, you don't think maybe they made it clear to him there would be consequences if he opened his mouth?

I was a huge Paterno fan but now I think he's an enormous scumbag. Curley's even worse.

Doing the right thing is really damn difficult, especially in a culture like that where there is SO much to lose.

tk13 11-07-2011 08:32 PM

I can understand the argument that you could fear for your job, or life, in situations like this... that certainly doesn't make it right. The thing is though, McQueary still works there. I don't get that. You think you'd want to get out of that mess right away. We'll see I guess, but the whole thing looks really, really bad.

OnTheWarpath15 11-07-2011 08:32 PM

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chiefzilla1501 11-07-2011 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 8090525)
The fact that you treat molesting kids basically in the same vein as a recruiting violation swept under the rug makes me nauscious.

You can add your life takes on this board to your list of shitty football takes.

Give me a ****ing break.

I didn't say that. But thanks for trying to twist my words.

Brianfo 11-07-2011 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by eazyb81 (Post 8090482)
Are you really trying to compare paying players under the table in recruiting to child molestation? Really?

This. Complete argument fail.


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