That we had a more wide-open game plan with a 28 year old journeyman QB making his first start than we have had with our Pioli-anointed starter for 3 years is just incredibly damning of the relationship between Pioli and Haley. Of course, Haley is right about Cassel. Who is going to work for Pioli after it comes out that Pioli won't let a head coach have any say about the QB? (Other than Gunther Cunningham.)

I'm not convinced Haley is a bad coach, but I don't think Pioli and Haley can work together, so it's a moot point.

I think there's some truth to this.

I believe Pioli forced Weis and Crennel on Haley. I also believe keeping Gailey was more a favor to Hunt. I don't think Haley had a choice but to run the 2-gap 3-4. I think Haley was playing nice on the Weis hire, but no, I don't think it was a hire he necessarily wanted to make. And yes, given that Haley completely opened up the gameplan for Palko, a journeyman, it says a lot about how much he trusts Cassel.

Pioli is the problem. Let your head coach coach, and build the system around him. It took longer for Pioli to build Haley a defense because he had to get completely different personnel. And Cassel has clearly held the offense very far back.

Reading what you guys post is absolutely priceless...

You're right. He should be fired because he constantly gets blown out.

It's not changing anytime soon.

It's what he does best - embarrass the organization.

We have a QB that can't come back from a lead of 14 points or higher. This is a running team because we can't trust our QB to take over games.

You're going to get blown out a lot when you have to develop a strategy around keeping the ball out of the hands of your QB.

Also when you can't stop anyone on defense. Let's try and absolve Haley for everything, though.

This is a pass-happy league. We've talked about this a million times. We have 3 QBs that might beat Marino's record. Your defense is going to give up points.

The Packers have a very good defense. They give up a ton of points. Great offenses pick up a defense when they have an off day. And our Defense has a lot more good days than they have bad. Cassel should be able to pick up at least a few of those for his defense. Secondly, how many bad defensive performances were in the second half after they were left on the field the entire first half because of poor QB play?

A good QB improves the defense. For one, he picks them up when they struggle. He keeps them largely off the field. And he forces them to become one-dimensional. You know why GB gets a lot of sacks and forces turnovers? Because opposing offenses HAVE to pass in order to keep up.

Not this year, and not in 09.

Don't act like Haley has built anything in KC. He hasn't. We have a loose collection of talent Haley has molded into a shit D and a shit O.

He's out of here. No way he gets an extension now.

It doesn't matter that a few players got better supposedly because Haley made them better (lol), that doesn't mean anything when the team looks as bad as this one does, loses like it does, by as many points as it does. No. Good bye, sir.

Who cares about '09? Pioli gave Haley ZERO to work with.

1) the Chiefs' defense in more games does enough to make the game winnable. They are more than adequate for a good offense and a hell of a lot better than what New Orleans or even New England have. 2) Again, it goes back to Pioli. You blame Haley for '09? What about Pioli for forcing a 3-4 on a 4-3 team? What about Pioli for being so stuck on his friends that he hired Romeo to run an outdated scheme? Haley never had a choice in this.

I don't think the defense is that bad. But the reason they aren't great is a hell of a lot more on Pioli than it is Haley. Again, who on defense is underperforming their talent level? Who? Nobody can answer that question because he's' made the most out of almost every player he's coached.

Buffalo? No.

Detroit? No.

Miami? No.

New England? No.

Four of our six losses the defense sucked horse cock.

They also tried to give the game away in Indianapolis. Fortunately the offense bailed them out.

This is not a good defense, and wasn't last year when it mattered in the playoffs.

Haley will be back in 2012 IMO.

They're good in the first halves of games! /Patriot fans

not gonna happen