Andy Dalton has better numbers his first two seasons in the league as Ryan, but the majority of Chiefsplanet dismisses him as a game manager. He also has two straight playoff appearances and losses.

Yet Matt Ryan is somehow viewed as "elite". I don't get it.

And I don't think he'd win anything in KC. Atlanta has far more talent than the Chiefs yet Ryan has but a single playoff win.

Dalton and Ryan have damn near identical QB ratings from their first two years in the league. The latter, however, is viewed more favorably because he's continued to ascend; we'll see if Dalton does the same.

If Ryan were a Chief, he'd easily be the most talented QB ever to play in KC. Not even close.

What's his strengths ? ROFL

QB discussion aside, I think Cincy has a real chance to contend this season. Their team is loaded, they have great coaching and coordinators.

Yeah, I think their roster is incredibly promising. It doesn't take too much of an imagination to see them going on a run for a few years.

Look, I was pissed for a very long time over the trade. Half of it was what it probably meant in terms of the draft, and half what you mention in the value.

Whith that being said, do we really know exactly what his value is? You talk about his career; until Harbaugh became his coach two years ago hr absolutely sucked. The past two seasons where he actually haf a compitent coach he did a complete 180. Let's wait and see what a proven QB mentor of a head coach like Reid can do with him before passing final judgment.

People are getting all up in arms about Smith being compared to Green. Remember what we gave up for Green and how pissed off everyone was about it?

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You're absolutely right that we don't have a crystal ball, so we can't talk in absolutes, and, if Smith comes anywhere close to Green's level of productivity, it will be a pretty decent trade.

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versus Matt Ryan I think Andy Dalton will end up the better player

That is where I am at. I didn't especially want them to go after Smith, I thought they overpaid for him too... but the idea that he is Cassel is just silly.

The only kind of cookies that Alex Smith can cut out are those disgusting oatmeal raisin coconut balls that look really good because they're covered in chocolate but actually taste like ass

Tyler Bray is the franchise QB. Nobody on here would have said shit if we traded to move up into the 2nd round and draft him.

You can if you're an idiot, and there are plenty of those on the board.