maturity questions, leadership questions, coachability.

Again, if its 2 seconds (talked with boss about this the other day) that means we went 8-8 or better. In Andy Reid offenses we've seen that there is no hiding behind a running game and defense.

He'll, he threw it 24 times in a half against the steelers in a preseason games.

Thusly, if we win 8 games, it's going to be because of smith, not in spite of him. Why is that a bad thing?

So again, how bad are these questions when gms that take chances on drug addicts and murderers won't throw a 7th at the guy?

I don't have a problem with it, I just think it was too much value.

And I don't think they'll be winning "because of him". They just won't be losing because of him, the way they did last year with Cassel and Quinn. He's a better game manager. But he hasn't been the kind of player who can carry a team.

I can't answer that question. I'm not in anybody's war room...

(Personally I think the league went full reerun with the QB position in general in this year's draft. Smith, Barkley and Bray all falling the way they did was just crazy to me. EJ Manuel going in the first? Glennon, Nassib, Wilson, Jones, Sorensen, Dysert, Daniels and Renfree all going ahead of Bray? Insane.)

Nassib right before the draft was being touted to be drafted at 8 BY THE BILLS. His drop was phenomenal.

People are starved for a QB. We stumble upon one that has loads of potential with the right coaches (finally) in place to get the most out of him who may or may not work out. But at least that option is there to give it a shot. So let's trade him.

There's no way we "Peeholi" Tyler Bray. No way.

Sorry but I don't agree.

If Reid has him throw it 600 times and we win 8 or more games, I don't see how you can say he didn't have a direct hand in winning and carrying the team.

Could he honestly be in a better situation? Zero pressure, great staff to learn from.....

It IS ideal. It's the best situation any developmental QB(and they all were)could possibly land in.

Again, I'm not saying trade him. Not advocating that at all. I like bray a lot.

I'm saying if someone presents a 3rd rounder for an udfa before a snap is played, I'd do it.

Yes, I realize bray is a special kind of udfa so it's a unique situation,

Now, that I can agree with. If before a snap entails before preseason, then of course you would have. But there is no way now they would. Already too much time invested in him. Releasing Stanzi on first cuts, was what stood out to me how much they liked him. No need to do that unless they really wanted to give Bray work.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&sourc...78009407798194

It doesn't matter if he's a 1st rounder, 3rd, 5th, UDFA etc., bottomline is he's showing he can play and has potential. You don't trade that away for anything, no matter the position.

Jesus, if Reid and crew can sharpen him up, we will have a Hanzo sword on this ****ing team.

Hanzo.