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Just Passin' By 12-09-2013 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by GoChargers (Post 10264359)
Disagreed. Clearly they must have gained some major advantage from doing it, because not only were they doing it for seven years under complete secrecy, but Belicheat's assistants have also tried to go back to doing it when they've gotten head coaching jobs (i.e. McDumbass in Denver, Charlie Weis and his laptop at Notre Dame).

Stealing signs was not the problem, and Ditka, among many, made that clear:

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"To steal signals from the booth, everybody's done it," Ditka said. "There are a lot of ways to cheat, a lot of ways of stealing signals, and if a team's not smart enough to change their signals, they deserve to be stolen.
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2...gnals-stealing

The issue was about camera placement.

tk13 12-09-2013 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 10264373)
The Patriots were on the verge of blowing out the Rams in that SB, when Warner tossed a pick-6. That score would have made it 24-3. The officials, however, called a penalty on the Patriots, getting McGinest for holding Faulk. If there had really been a conspiracy to ensure the Patriots victory, they could have just picked up that flag.

I don't disagree. I'm not into the whole conspiracy thing... sometimes people forget the calls that go against the team the NFL is supposedly "for."

If you were going to get into that though... I think you'd be better off starting with something like the Super Bowl blackout. That was legitimately weird, a very rare event, that certainly appeared to help restore the competitive balance of the game. I think you'd be better off arguing the NFL does things to keep games competitive. I don't think that's the case, but at least it would make sense.

-King- 12-09-2013 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by LoneWolf (Post 10263922)
Don't let facts get in the way of the conspiracy theorists in this thread.

The league is biased towards Peyton Manning/Brady, but Manning has won one Super Bowl and had a plethora of one and dones in the playoffs and Brady hasn't won a Super Bowl in 8 years. :shrug:

This alone should shut down the conspiracy
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-King- 12-09-2013 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup (Post 10264152)
In baseball when a team is caught cheating they get stripped of their championship. In football when a team is caught cheating to win a championship they just get a minor fine and draft picks taken away but get to keep their championship.

What the hell?
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KCwolf 12-09-2013 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by cosmo20002 (Post 10262686)
I truly don't understand how someone could truly believe that NFL games are fixed yet still be a fan that follows the sport. If I really thought that the league would not allow KC to beat Denver/Manning or allow KC to make it to the SB, I would have no interest in following it.

You nailed it. However, message boards revel in this kind of negativity... it's how they thrive. There is ZERO chance the NFL is rigged, but let the braintrust who post on message boards think otherwise. Crazy.

Nzoner 12-09-2013 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by KCwolf (Post 10264428)
You nailed it. However, message boards revel in this kind of negativity... it's how they thrive. There is ZERO chance the NFL is rigged, but let the braintrust who post on message boards think otherwise. Crazy.

Never,ever,not one single game?

GoChargers 12-09-2013 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by KCwolf (Post 10264428)
There is ZERO chance the NFL is rigged

You are truly naive. An NBA ref has admitted to rigging games, you really think the same shit doesn't happen in other sports?

-King- 12-09-2013 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by GoChargers (Post 10264454)
You are truly naive. An NBA ref has admitted to rigging games, you really think the same shit doesn't happen in other sports?

One individual ref did that. And he wasn't very good at it at all.
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lcarus 12-09-2013 09:07 PM

I agree with basically everything Mr. Rainman has stated in this thread. This kind of corporate greed extends far beyond just the NFL too. Seems like every little thing in this country is all about the bottom line and making that extra penny - at ANY cost.

cosmo20002 12-09-2013 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Nzoner (Post 10264446)
Never,ever,not one single game?

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Originally Posted by GoChargers (Post 10264454)
You are truly naive. An NBA ref has admitted to rigging games, you really think the same shit doesn't happen in other sports?

Has a player or ref ever done anything? Sure. But on orders from the league itself? I very, very much doubt that.

htismaqe 12-09-2013 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man
I don't like the conspiracy talk, either, and maybe I shouldn't have included it in the discussion since it tends to dominate. I included it because it's a logical next step as football transitions from sport to entertainment, and it's a little squishy as to how far they've moved toward that step.

Cosmo's "crusade" seems to have started right after his exchange with me and I'm not sure why. I don't think the NFL is rigged.

cosmo20002 12-09-2013 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10264668)
Cosmo's "crusade" seems to have started right after his exchange with me and I'm not sure why. I don't think the NFL is rigged.

You might of helped inspire it. Probably because you said something like the cards are stacked heavily against the Chiefs ever going to the SB. You also said there is a reason the Chiefs haven't drafted a good QB and implied it was some reason other than simply bad choices by the Chiefs.

Basically, you're one of the "not rigged, but biased" people, although I'm not really sure what that means. Either the league is directly influencing the game outcomes or not.

htismaqe 12-09-2013 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by cosmo20002 (Post 10264723)
You might of helped inspire it. Probably because you said something like the cards are stacked heavily against the Chiefs ever going to the SB. You also said there is a reason the Chiefs haven't drafted a good QB and implied it was some reason other than simply bad choices by the Chiefs.

Basically, you're one of the "not rigged, but biased" people, although I'm not really sure what that means. Either the league is directly influencing the game outcomes or not.

The league is directing the outcomes of games, not determining them.

They're manipulating the rules to produce certain types of games, namely high-scoring offensive shows. This inherently favors the teams that are built to play that type of game. Hell, a smart team would do everything it can, within the rules (and maybe outside of them too) to build a team that is built to play that type of game.

Of course, that's not at all the same as rigging games to determine which teams win and lose. I don't believe games are "fixed". The league doesn't favor Manning and Brady, nor does it favor the Broncos or Pats. The league favors, for the most part, good QBs and having a great QB just further emphasizes that.

Iowanian 12-09-2013 10:26 PM

Stemming from the epidemic of bullying in schools, low self esteem prevention in youth and to prevent adolescent depression due to experiencing losing season things must change. In response to these growing concerns among the modern, typical transgender-american parents and in light of the suffering of Johnathan Martin, the NFL will implement a rule change starting in 2014 where no points are kept in games.

We cannot have players feeling dejected and sad, as these are causing more emotional damage than concussions. Players will also be issued new equipment, which includes 2 flags to be worn at the level of the hip bones.

To further reflect the state of the nation and make fans feel more welcome, the NFL will now only allow 2 hot cheerleaders, 3 average and 5 heavy to obese cheerleaders to better reflect society.

Quesadilla Joe 12-09-2013 10:44 PM

The Broncos offense is fourth in the league in penalties, their defense is 8th...


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