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rabblerouser 12-30-2014 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 11229746)
Everybody talks about Smith in terms of game management. Maybe we should be talking about him in terms of being a system quarterback who needs perfect blocking and 5 yard clear receivers to execute at an above average level.
Let's just start with an Oline capable of passblocking, first off. They don't have to be great...but average would be a significant improvement.

Likewise, let's get some WRs who will actually catch.

Bowe
Jenkins
Hemingway
Avant

ALL left TDs on the field this season - fact. It wasn't because Smith didn't throw to them - it's because they are terrible and don't catch. Or look over their shoulder and step out of bounds instead of showing field awareness and breaking to the end zone...

But mostly because they just dropped the chalupa. Repeatedly.

DaneMcCloud 12-30-2014 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 11229755)
If Trent Green was in his second year at the helm of this team, we'd be salivating at the thought of crushing some hapless playoff victim.
I think the opposite: Trent Green would have been crushed behind this offensive line.

dls6501 12-30-2014 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by rabblerouser (Post 11229742)
How many interceptions did he throw?? How many games did they win??
He threw 14 interceptions....which I would gladly take from Alex if it meant he was throwing 30 touchdowns and 4,500 yards (and neither of which he has come even close to accomplishing).

And how many games did they win....ugh....this argument again?

Reerun_KC 12-30-2014 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 11229755)
If Trent Green was in his second year at the helm of this team, we'd be salivating at the thought of crushing some hapless playoff victim.
You have more faith in Herman Reid than I do.

His historical collapse in Indy last year paints a pretty telling picture about that fat ****.

Reerun_KC 12-30-2014 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 11229760)
This is exactly why I've lost faith in Reid. He's got Doug Pedersen, Brad Childress, Chris Ault and David Culley on his offensive staff and Smith was their guy?

Alex played well the second half of 2013, especially in the playoff game, and I'd mistakenly believed he'd turned a corner. I thought the 2014 Chiefs would be easily a 11-12 game winner, despite the schedule.

Until the Tennessee game. Then the SF game. And later, the Raiders and Arizona game (I give the Broncos game a pass because of Eric Berry - it was understandable that they came out flat). And now, I've all but given up on this regime.

These guys were supposed to know better.
Andddd Gone! DaneMcCloud.

O.city 12-30-2014 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 11229760)
This is exactly why I've lost faith in Reid. He's got Doug Pedersen, Brad Childress, Chris Ault and David Culley on his offensive staff and Smith was their guy?

Alex played well the second half of 2013, especially in the playoff game, and I'd mistakenly believed he'd turned a corner. I thought the 2014 Chiefs would be easily a 11-12 game winner, despite the schedule.

Until the Tennessee game. Then the SF game. And later, the Raiders and Arizona game (I give the Broncos game a pass because of Eric Berry - it was understandable that they came out flat). And now, I've all but given up on this regime.

These guys were supposed to know better.
I just can't believe this is the guy they thought he'd end up being. Maybe so and they're stupid, it's what he's always been.

But the guy is to afraid or sucks or both.

rabblerouser 12-30-2014 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 11229760)
This is exactly why I've lost faith in Reid. He's got Doug Pedersen, Brad Childress, Chris Ault and David Culley on his offensive staff and Smith was their guy?

Alex played well the second half of 2013, especially in the playoff game, and I'd mistakenly believed he'd turned a corner. I thought the 2014 Chiefs would be easily a 11-12 game winner, despite the schedule.

Until the Tennessee game. Then the SF game. And later, the Raiders and Arizona game (I give the Broncos game a pass because of Eric Berry - it was understandable that they came out flat). And now, I've all but given up on this regime.

These guys were supposed to know better.
Andy Reid is either a moron who has no business being an NFL Head coach...or he's in on the fix.

He handed the SF game to the 49ers on a platter.

rabblerouser 12-30-2014 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 11229767)
I think the opposite: Trent Green would have been crushed behind this offensive line.
Fact.

Reerun_KC 12-30-2014 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by rabblerouser (Post 11229776)
Andy Reid is either a moron who has no business being an NFL Head coach...or he's in on the fix.

He handed the SF game to the 49ers on a platter.
He is exactly what philly fan said he was, is and would be.

He's a 56% career coach. That's complete dogshit in the NFL.

BigChiefFan 12-30-2014 03:33 PM
Silver lining-Smith's TD to Int ratio is 3 to 1

jd1020 12-30-2014 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan (Post 11229787)
Silver lining-Smith's TD to Int ratio is 3 to 1
Yay?

Smith threw 18 TD pass. Over 15 games that comes out to 8.4 ppg. Time to party!!!!

OnTheWarpath15 12-30-2014 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by rabblerouser (Post 11229692)
I take Smith over :
Cam
Dalton
Bridgewater
Ryan
Stafford
Eli
Flacco
Phyllis
&
Tannehill

Absolutely, Alex Smith is in the top 40% of NFL QBs.
http://www.abload.de/img/11514-animated_gifchat8etf.gif

rabblerouser 12-30-2014 03:35 PM
Meh. Because Chiefs.

duncan_idaho 12-30-2014 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 11229760)
This is exactly why I've lost faith in Reid. He's got Doug Pedersen, Brad Childress, Chris Ault and David Culley on his offensive staff and Smith was their guy?

Alex played well the second half of 2013, especially in the playoff game, and I'd mistakenly believed he'd turned a corner. I thought the 2014 Chiefs would be easily a 11-12 game winner, despite the schedule.

Until the Tennessee game. Then the SF game. And later, the Raiders and Arizona game (I give the Broncos game a pass because of Eric Berry - it was understandable that they came out flat). And now, I've all but given up on this regime.

These guys were supposed to know better.
Andy Reid clearly thought he could FIX Alex Smith and unlock the guy we saw in 3-4 games last year (Chargers in KC, Denver in KC, Colts playoff game).

It's pretty clear at this point he was wrong. Alex Smith is who we thought he was. And no one is going to let them off the hook! (Because they already extended him)

I was hopeful entering this season, but even when you look at Alex Smith's "hot streak" over his last 6 games in 2013, you see the 3 good games I mentioned above, sandwiched around the Colts stinker to close his regular season and blowout wins against the Redskins and Raiders in which Smith really contributed nothing special (unless you count dumping screen passes to Jamaal Charles special against Oakland as "special") in a pair of blowout wins.

That glimmer of hope was even perhaps too optimistic.

MahiMike 12-30-2014 03:36 PM
I think the comparison is valid. Guy-wise they are very similar. The difference is in the coaching philosophy. I loved green and vermeil. Too bad they drafted the chick-spitter instead of a defensive player.


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