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Amnorix 11-03-2015 03:15 PM

And, as usual, the NFL trade deadline triggers many gigabytes of talk and basically no trades.

Mile High Mania 11-03-2015 03:17 PM

Acquiring Thomas would have been great, but making it fit in the cap had to be a nightmare at this point... likely would have cost a bit of their depth.

Mile High Mania 11-03-2015 03:18 PM

Klis is reporting it was all about a disagreement on comp for Thomas, not the cap.

Amnorix 11-03-2015 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania (Post 11862391)
Acquiring Thomas would have been great, but making it fit in the cap had to be a nightmare at this point... likely would have cost a bit of their depth.


More likely it would have cost cap room next year, but yes, to get the gain there must be some pain somewhere.

Mile High Mania 11-03-2015 03:20 PM

Sounds like the reports and the rush by 247 "news" outlets and twitter heads made it more real than it was...

chiefzilla1501 11-03-2015 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 11862383)
I don't understand this "the cap is crap" nonsense. Sure, you can massage it and maneuver within it etc. etc., but it's very real, and today's gain is tomorrow's pain, OR VICE VERSA.

Pats took a bunch of dead money onto this year's cap to help free up room for next year, so we can extend Jones/Hightower/Collins (or some of them at least). The cap is all about choices.

People who insist this have no idea what they're talking about. The Patriots are dodging the cap because they have a qb who has consistently made average pieces look terrific. The Broncos have done it mostly through excellent drafting. The recent Patriots and Broncos spending runs are due to both teams realizing they need to go all in now while they are lucky enough to have a HOF QB.

And much as we drool over the Patriots going on spending runs, for most of bradys career, the Pats had 1 or 2 quiet off seasons followed by a spending splurge.

The Franchise 11-03-2015 04:31 PM

It helps that Tom Brady has cap hits of $14M, $15M and $16M.

Amnorix 11-03-2015 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 11862516)
People who insist this have no idea what they're talking about. The Patriots are dodging the cap because they have a qb who has consistently made average pieces look terrific. The Broncos have done it mostly through excellent drafting. The recent Patriots and Broncos spending runs are due to both teams realizing they need to go all in now while they are lucky enough to have a HOF QB.

And much as we drool over the Patriots going on spending runs, for most of bradys career, the Pats had 1 or 2 quiet off seasons followed by a spending splurge.


Pats rarely go on spending "runs", IMHO. They are I think one of the best at managing the cap over the long term, and have frequently cut or traded players who they would prefer to keep because the cap number for the player doesn't line up with perceived "value". From Lawyer Milloy to Richard Seymour to Logan Mankins, the Pats have repeatedly bitten the bullet on tough choices.

Partly as a result, they actually have a reputation here for being cheap. Ask most Pats fans and they think the Pats are ridiculous in letting those guys go for cap reasons, and they argue that the Pats don't go "all in" because they don't sign a Suh, or whatever big name FA is avaialble. I disagree with that also. Although the Pats almost never "set the market" at any given position, at one point Brady had signed the most lucrative deal for a QB ever. They also signed Adalius Thomas, Rosevelt Colvin and Revis for deals that were very, very lucrative.

Eh, whatever. Nobody here wants a lengthy dissertation on Pats cap management style so I will stop now.

Hog's Gone Fishin 11-03-2015 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by OctoberFart (Post 11862173)
You guys should send that crappy #1 pick Fisher, Smith, Reid and your #1 for Thomas. While your at it sweeten the deal with Dee "runaway" Ford.

You should send your MOM, she'd create a HUGE gap for that offensive Line !

Chiefs=Champions 11-03-2015 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by OctoberFart (Post 11862173)
You guys should send that crappy #1 pick Fisher, Smith, Reid and your #1 for Thomas. While your at it sweeten the deal with Dee "runaway" Ford.

*You're*

King_Chief_Fan 11-04-2015 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania (Post 11862391)
Acquiring Thomas would have been great, but making it fit in the cap had to be a nightmare at this point... likely would have cost a bit of their depth.

yup
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14...e-thomas-trade
The Broncos would have had to make some salary cap adjustments to add Thomas and still keep enough cap space for players who will be moved to injured reserve over the remainder of the season as well as replacements they sign. With Ty Sambrailo headed to injured reserve, the Broncos will have $12.1 million worth of salary cap charges from players on injured reserve, including $10.6 million from Ryan Clady.

The Broncos had about $5 million worth of cap space after adding Davis, and the pro-rated cap charge for the rest of 2016 for Thomas would have been more than $5 million. To get Thomas on the roster and still have enough room to make future moves, the Broncos would have had to rework some current contracts or potentially release players.

Thomas also has three more years, beyond this season, remaining on his contract. He has salary cap figures of $9.5 million in 2016, $10 million in 2017 and $10 million in 2018. His acquisition likely would have affected Clady's future as well.

Clady, who has had three major surgeries in recent years, including this year's ACL repair, is scheduled to count $10.1 million against the salary cap in 2016 and $10.6 million in 2017.


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