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NWTF 08-19-2016 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by NWTF (Post 12374745)
Right now, for this season, this team, id hesitantly take Smith. I know hes not going to &@%$ it up, but I also know everything else has to go perfectly due to his passiveness as a medium to downfield passer.

Carr right now, this soon, could %$#@ it up, but long term Id take him easily over a caretaker type QB like Smith.

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Originally Posted by New World Order (Post 12375388)
Why?

We don't have an elite defense without Houston. We may not even have an elite d with him. If Smith doesn't have an elite d KC won't do much damage.

Why? Not sure what your asking. Why I would take Carr in the long run but take Smith this year? I just think Carr has a higher ceiling. Hes only has two years experience. Maybe he stinks it up and never becomes anything, but so far I think the higher probability is he improves to some degree over his career and Id bank when he does plateau he will be a better QB than what Smith is right now in his golden years.

Smith to me is a good game manager. Maybe even the league standard right now for game managers. Thats great when everything is firing on all cylinders, but things dont always go as planned. Especially when advancing in the playoffs. Sometimes you need the one guy that touches the ball every play make something happen NOW. Not some clock killing 6 minute drive with 7 minutes left down by two scores. Its not his fault, thats just not his game. Things didnt go perfect that day and when that happens hes just not the guy to make something big happen to sway the momentum back in your favor. He didnt crack, or screw up, he stayed true to his game and marched them down the field in typical fashion. Even made the final score look good, but he had no chance of actually winning the game.

staylor26 08-19-2016 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by NWTF (Post 12376397)
Why? Not sure what your asking. Why I would take Carr in the long run but take Smith this year? I just think Carr has a higher ceiling. Hes only has two years experience. Maybe he stinks it up and never becomes anything, but so far I think the higher probability is he improves to some degree over his career and Id bank when he does plateau he will be a better QB than what Smith is right now in his golden years.

Smith to me is a good game manager. Maybe even the league standard right now for game managers. Thats great when everything is firing on all cylinders, but things dont always go as planned. Especially when advancing in the playoffs. Sometimes you need the one guy that touches the ball every play make something happen NOW. Not some clock killing 6 minute drive with 7 minutes left down by two scores. Its not his fault, thats just not his game. Things didnt go perfect that day and when that happens hes just not the guy to make something big happen to sway the momentum back in your favor. He didnt crack, or screw up, he stayed true to his game and marched them down the field in typical fashion. Even made the final score look good, but he had no chance of actually winning the game.

He did until Knile Davis fumbled it away.

Mav 08-19-2016 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 12376074)
Carr is a "slinger" while not being a game manager.



Smith is a game manager while not being a "slinger."



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Yeah bro. He was slinging it......



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Mav 08-19-2016 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Smellway (Post 12376248)
That's mostly due to our defense and special teams setting the offense up with favorable field position.



And by the offense not putting the defense in bad positions.... But you always forget that. Just like when Alex arrived you swore he wouldn't have a top 10 defense to rescue him, yet here you are slurping the defense. Guess Alex is just so lucky since 2011 to have a top 10 defense at his disposal that he in no way shape or form helps. Am I rite?


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New World Order 08-19-2016 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by NWTF (Post 12376397)
Why? Not sure what your asking. Why I would take Carr in the long run but take Smith this year? I just think Carr has a higher ceiling. Hes only has two years experience. Maybe he stinks it up and never becomes anything, but so far I think the higher probability is he improves to some degree over his career and Id bank when he does plateau he will be a better QB than what Smith is right now in his golden years.

Smith to me is a good game manager. Maybe even the league standard right now for game managers. Thats great when everything is firing on all cylinders, but things dont always go as planned. Especially when advancing in the playoffs. Sometimes you need the one guy that touches the ball every play make something happen NOW. Not some clock killing 6 minute drive with 7 minutes left down by two scores. Its not his fault, thats just not his game. Things didnt go perfect that day and when that happens hes just not the guy to make something big happen to sway the momentum back in your favor. He didnt crack, or screw up, he stayed true to his game and marched them down the field in typical fashion. Even made the final score look good, but he had no chance of actually winning the game.


We don't have an elite d like Denver to carry a game manager.

O.city 08-19-2016 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Mav (Post 12376420)
And by the offense not putting the defense in bad positions.... But you always forget that. Just like when Alex arrived you swore he wouldn't have a top 10 defense to rescue him, yet here you are slurping the defense. Guess Alex is just so lucky since 2011 to have a top 10 defense at his disposal that he in no way shape or form helps. Am I rite?


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He could really help them by scoring more points

Mav 08-19-2016 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 12376425)
He could really help them by scoring more points



Not arguing that point at all....


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Hammock Parties 08-19-2016 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Mav (Post 12376420)
Guess Alex is just so lucky since 2011 to have a top 10 defense at his disposal that he in no way shape or form helps. Am I rite?

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NWTF 08-19-2016 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 12376399)
He did until Knile Davis fumbled it away.

Thats my point. The fumble happened at the start of the 3rd. Too big a mistake for this team to overcome. It stinks when a fumble in the 3rd QTR is the dagger in the back in a relatively close game. The Pats merely held serv the rest of the way. Thats why longrun Id take Carr, etc over a proven consistent game manager. It wasnt Smiths fault, but things basically do have to go perfect. Once cylinder misfires and thats all she wrote.

Mav 08-19-2016 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Smellway (Post 12376444)
3-39-1



Yet hasn't had a losing record as Chiefs qb, despite the fact that you claimed he couldn't win without a top 10 defense. [emoji106]


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Hammock Parties 08-19-2016 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Mav (Post 12376446)
Yet hasn't had a losing record as Chiefs qb, despite the fact that you claimed he couldn't win without a top 10 defense. [emoji106]


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and indeed when that defense falters, he loses

which is what will happen this year, again

Mav 08-19-2016 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Smellway (Post 12376450)
and indeed when that defense falters, he loses



which is what will happen this year, again



Which is logical with how much money is invested in the defense. ....


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Hammock Parties 08-19-2016 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Mav (Post 12376452)
Which is logical with how much money is invested in the defense. ....


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Understand that the defense will still play well enough to win.

Alex will not.

vailpass 08-19-2016 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Mav (Post 12376446)
Yet hasn't had a losing record as Chiefs qb, despite the fact that you claimed he couldn't win without a top 10 defense. [emoji106]


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Is Smiff a mormon? Are you Smiff ballwashers mormons? Is that the reason you guys act this way? It's truly puzzling.

rico 08-19-2016 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 12376484)
Is Smiff a mormon? Are you Smiff ballwashers mormons? Is that the reason you guys act this way? It's truly puzzling.

Isn't he a San Diegan? I think he played on the same HS team as Reggie Bush.


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