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ToxSocks 08-24-2018 04:58 PM

10 sacks a year? Most teams have a guy that can get that. More than half.

Miller and Houston got that on what most would consider down years.

Mack is an overhyped Melvin Ingram.

Please, please please Raiders give him Von Miller money.

staylor26 08-24-2018 05:01 PM

I’m pretty sure Mack’s #2 in sacks over the last 3 years. The only guy with more is Chandler Jones I believe. How is that not dominant?

ToxSocks 08-24-2018 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 13690093)
Well yea if you want to include his rookie year where he only got 4 sacks because it fits your narrative so be it. Most pass rushers don’t come into the league and dominate day 1.

He’s averaged 12 sacks a year over the last 3 seasons. That’s dominant. I’m not saying he’s the best edge rusher in the league, but he’s definitely top 3 and a dominant player.

12 sacks a season wouldn't put him in the top 5 for any of the past 3 seasons.

How can you say top 3?

He had ONE season in which he was a top 3 pass rusher. No other season has he cracked the top 5.

And don't tell me has has no help. Bruce Irvin was only two sacks short of Mack's total last season.

ToxSocks 08-24-2018 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 13690099)
I’m pretty sure Mack’s #2 in sacks over the last 3 years. The only guy with more is Chandler Jones I believe. How is that not dominant?

That's called consistency. Not dominance.

He's consistently "aight" since his 2nd year.

He does NOT take over a game.

staylor26 08-24-2018 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 13690103)
12 sacks a season wouldn't put him in the top 5 for any of the past 3 seasons.

How can you say top 3?

He had ONE season in which he was a top 3 pass rusher. No other season has he cracked the top 5.

And don't tell me has has no help. Bruce Irvin was only two sacks short of Mack's total last season.

I’ve confirmed it, he’s #2 in sacks over the last 3 years. What more do you want?

LMAO

ToxSocks 08-24-2018 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 13690108)
I’ve confirmed it, he’s #2 in sacks over the last 3 years. What more do you want?

LMAO

Quote:

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 13690106)
That's called consistency. Not dominance.

He's consistently "aight" since his 2nd year.

He does NOT take over a game.

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staylor26 08-24-2018 05:08 PM

He hasn’t had one of those big 15+ sacks seasons, but those are rare and even guys hat have them don’t usually repeat it.

If he’s nowhere close to Von, then what’s the excuse for him outsacking him the last 3 years?

By your logic, Von has also been “consistent”, not dominant. Not even he deserves Von Miller money.

ToxSocks 08-24-2018 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 13690116)
By your logic, Von has also been “consistent”, not dominant.

You're jumping the shark here and you know it. Von Miller absolutely dominated and carried Denver on his back on their SB run which led to his massive contract. It was one of the best OLB performance i've seen in a long, log time.

Houston put together a 22 sack campaign that led to his paycheck. They both had absolutely monster seasons.

If 15 sacks is the best Khalil can do, that's not good enough for #1 OLB money.

Mack, in his lone playoff game got 0.0 sacks.

Trying to compare his "dominance" to Miller is silly.

ToxSocks 08-24-2018 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 13690093)
Well yea if you want to include his rookie year where he only got 4 sacks because it fits your narrative so be it. Most pass rushers don’t come into the league and dominate day 1.

He’s averaged 12 sacks a year over the last 3 seasons. That’s pretty ****ing good. I’m not saying he’s the best edge rusher in the league, but he’s definitely top 3 and a dominant player.

If you're going to remove his rookie season as an outlier, then it's fair to remove his 15 sack season as an outlier too, right?

So based off the past two seasons he averages 10.75 sacks a season.

That's aight.

That's worth aight money.

staylor26 08-24-2018 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 13690123)
You're jumping the shark here and you know it. Von Miller absolutely dominated and carried Denver on his back on their SB run which led to his massive contract. It was one of the best OLB performance i've seen in a long, log time.

Houston put together a 22 sack campaign that led to his paycheck. They both had absolutely monster seasons.

If 15 sacks is the best Khalil can do, that's not good enough for #1 OLB money.

Mack, in his lone playoff game got 0.0 sacks.

Trying to compare his "dominance" to Miller is silly.

I understand what you’re saying about Miller/Houston, but I’m pointing out that by your logic Miller has only been consistent over the last 3 years, not dominant. Shit, you could also say there hasn’t been a dominant edge rusher in the league since then if you are going to say that. I agree with your take that they shouldn’t give him what he’s asking for, but I don’t agree that he’s not a dominant edge rusher.

We can agree to disagree though.

R8RFAN 08-24-2018 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 13690039)
So no extension then? :D

Well they don't have to give him one if they don't want to really..

He is in the last year of his rookie contract that pays him almost 14 million
Then if they want they can tag him for two years.

Raiders really are the ones who hold the leverage...

I would rather have 5 good players than 1 great player... Don't get me wrong, I like Mack but hey the mans gotta do what he's gotta do.

This is the thing that pisses me off about the NFL and contracts...

When players suck they don't give the money back but when they play good they don't want to honor their contract.

Lots of people want to balk because they say Gruden got 100 million... Gruden says it's not 100 million first off and second that money does not go against the cap.

I don't care either way, If he stays great, if he is traded just get his worth.

Buehler445 08-24-2018 06:10 PM

Right. I was trying to make a very (apparently) unfunny joke.

BryanBusby 08-24-2018 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by R8RFAN (Post 13690140)
Well they don't have to give him one if they don't want to really..

He is in the last year of his rookie contract that pays him almost 14 million
Then if they want they can tag him for two years.

Raiders really are the ones who hold the leverage...

I would rather have 5 good players than 1 great player... Don't get me wrong, I like Mack but hey the mans gotta do what he's gotta do.

This is the thing that pisses me off about the NFL and contracts...

When players suck they don't give the money back but when they play good they don't want to honor their contract.

Lots of people want to balk because they say Gruden got 100 million... Gruden says it's not 100 million first off and second that money does not go against the cap.

I don't care either way, If he stays great, if he is traded just get his worth.

It works both ways. Teams put all these dollars in deals they never have any intention of ever paying.

I have no qualms about any player fighting for what they feel is adequate compensation.

The Raiders are stiffing Mack because they are cap and cash poor.

staylor26 08-24-2018 08:55 PM

Packers backups driving down the field against the Raiders 1st team D

LMAO

In58men 08-24-2018 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 13690504)
Packers backups driving down the field against the Raiders 1st team D

LMAO

Shut the **** up Mack isn’t playing

/R8RFAN


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