scrubs take the lead

Here comes Tyler Greene to get picked off or caught stealing.

Marmol puts out the fire. Cubs win.

Glenallen Hill

We lost this game in the first inning. All those walks, bases loaded with Beltran, Berkman and Molina coming up. We only get one run because these veteran players went up there with a pitcher that cant find the plate and instead of being patient, swing at the first pitch. Pathetic at bats from veterans that should have known better.

They had Smardja on the ropes......you are spot on in your analysis. Beltran needs to get his crap togeather. We waisted another good effort by that rookie pitcher, Joe Kelly.

Turned the game on in time earlier to watch Rizzo go deep.

The Cardinals played up to their potential for the first fifth of the season. Since that point they are 3 games under .500. So that's 31 games they show they can repeat as champions, 71 games where they show they cannot. I think they're closer to the 71 game team than the 31 game team. Doesn't help they've won 7 of their last 10 and dropped two and a half games in the standings in that time.

2nd in batting average, 3rd in OPS, 1st in on base percentage, 2nd in runs scored, 9th in ERA - in all of MLB.

And this team is only a few games over .500.

Pathetic.

Those numbers are misleading. Way too many games this year they have scored 10+ runs and then lost the series.

Were talking a bit about that on the broadcast the other day. Apparently they are pretty bad in tight games and have quite a number of blowouts over opponents. Shit pen.

And a bad manager.

He may improve, but he's not good right now. He's not a guy that's going to make chicken-salad out of a 'pen, that's for sure.

Give him 5 reliable relievers and he can manage a bullpen. Anything less than that and he's going to be lost out there. A good manager can do the job with 3 good relievers and using matchups with the rest. Matheny isn't a good manager so without a bulletproof bullpen, he can't put us over the top.

I feel like we'd be about 5 games further ahead right now with LaRussa on the bench. We'd still be behind the Reds, but clearly within striking distance.

This isn't to say that we should fire Matheny; he gets 2 years of OTJ training. That said, he absolutely has to improve because we can't win if he doesn't.

The best we could get out of Zack Cox was a year and a half of a 4+ ERA setup man?

Dear God.

for getting value, mid season trades suck. I didnt think we needed to trade out top prospects for a rental.I'm happy with the trade. Cox was going no where in our organization. I dont see him as an all star anytime soon. Looks like a guy that has potential to turn it around and be a valuable 6th- 7th inning guy.

I never noticed this but we have no African Americans on our team. Until this article in the STL dispatch. I understand the African Americans not in the stands in large numbers. They, in general, dont care about baseball in large numbers. Thats true in every baseball stadium in the USA.

Does this make us racist because we never noticed? Does it matter? I dont see how the FO is making baseball decsions based on race? Hey, he's white, lets draft him orver a more telented black player?


http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/m...2c2d05e82.html

Who cares? I don't give a shit if there are no blacks, if half of them are black of if they're all black. I just want them to play better.

Just out of curiosity, what is Jon Jays' ethnicity? He sure does look black.

Cuban

I guess Latinos don't count.

And as far as racism goes, I think you pretty much have to be one to write that article.

We are only 2.5 out of the wildcard lead with 2 wild cards this year. We are not going to catch the Reds. We will have to go for the one game, do or die playoff game. However, with Waino starting to look like his old self, I'll take waino in a a one game playoff against the Braves/Pirates/Dodgers.

It is obvious you didn't read the article so I guess I am left wondering why you would bother commenting.

Shouldn't you be off sucking Holliday's dick?

So whats up with Shelby Miller?



Also read Taveras is raking shit right now and there are whispers he might make the September callup.

Sounds about as Cuban as Aroldis Chapman.

Not that it matters, but I thought he was of Puerto Rican descent.

I think with Berkman down again they should consider him now, but for sure in September along with Wong and Jackson our future up the middle.

No need to hurry him. Taveras and Wong should be on the Major Laeagur roster next year.

Was reading on www.stltoday.com/sports/cards that baseball prospectus ranks Tavarez as the #4 prospect, and after recent trades by the Yankees and Reds, the Cardinals now have the #1 farm system. Not sure if they're more reliable than Baseball America.

Most teams that are not top 5 payrolls in MLB after a WS apperance falls off the playoff radar for at least a few years.

We went to 3 WS in 7 years. And in 2014 we will have a better lineup than should produce a longer window of oppertunity than when we started this current run.

Having ownerships MAIN desire to win does that.. having the Glasshole family who are scumbags as the ownership has the exact opposite effect.

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

Preach on, brother!

But it is possible for the Royals to have a winner some day. 7 out of the 9 players on the field when we won the World series were drafted or developed by the Cardinals. The Royals could do that.

Can i see your ring?

Two weeks before September would not be rushing it in my opinion especially if you plan on calling them up in September. If you think they are ready for next year AND you think you have a chance at the playoffs, you might want to see who is a possibility for playoff rosters (ala Worrell, 1985).

What about that service time? If he comes up before September does that start the 6 years of control time that the cardinals have in their pocket?

None of our guys are in the same stratosphere as Pujols was. Plus our starting pitching is shit and there is no way any of our guys in the minors are legit number 1 or 2 ML starters, most are 5's.

You just have to draft better. Draft #1's, not #5's. Your drafting near the top, you have a better chance than most.

Pujols was a lucky draft pick but the whole roster wasnt lucky picks and we didnt win the WS because of Pujols.

LMAO

Good work, T-Douche.

Craig with the clutch 2-out double. :thumb:

Now your man at the plate Frazod.

I think from now on whenever he comes to bat I'm just turning the TV off. :banghead:

Well, the damn Reds finally lost a game.

We are not catching the reds, not going to happen. We have to play .666 baseball the rest of the way and they have to play .500 baseball.

The wildcard is only 2.5 games away. Thats doable.

We probably can't catch the Reds, but I don't think them playing 500 baseball the rest of the way is impossible.


We should be better than we are at this point, record wise tho.

Damn, that ball hit Gomez right on the bottom of his hand. That had to hurt.

Plus the Reds schedule here on out isn't that tough, so we likely aren't catching them.


We do play them a few times I think, so we have some games to possibly make up.

Francona is right - we botched that.

And like ****ing clockwork.

Yeah, I was looking at that. Their remaining schedule is largely a cakewalk.

Yeah probably so.



I'm not sure Freese didn't think that was a line drive from Jay.

Cardinals! you all have to beat up on the Giants for me! i never ask for me, but im asking! lol

Well we ****ed that up. Hopefully it shouldn't matter.

Jesus. :facepalm: Glad they added an insurance run before they stopped thinking.

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****ing ridiculous.

I almost hope they lose 4-3 so Matheny has to answer for that bullshit.

I Motte cant hold the Brewers to less than 3 runs in the 9th, we dont deserve to win.

I dont think I've ever seen that 1st to 3rd move work in the big leagues. Didn't they ban it next year because it works so few times and it slows the game?

Well, it worked out I guess.

10 games over .500. Makes losing those games to the Cubs hurt worse.

Teh broadcast highlighted our isses this season. 5.24 ERA in the 7th inning. 19-33 in games decided by 2 runs or less.

I believe it is 170 total days to constitute a year. I guess you would have to figure whether 14 or 15 days would matter much if you were going to call him him up anyway in September.

Mujica to the rescue (so far at least).

Geez. The Blowers are awful.

So does Fuentes and Mujica make the BP good enough?



We had some pretty clutch hitting tonight as well. Good sign.

Fuentes sucks, and Mujica won't be effective if he's asked to pitch every night. I am excited to see some life from these guys this week though.

Going to be an interesting end of summer. No way to catch the Reds really but if the Cards miss out on a WC slot they will only have themselves to blame.

A WC spot leading to a showdown with the Reds in the NLCS would be sweet, kind of like last years Brewers beat down.

After last year I became a never say never kinda guy when it comes to the last couple months of the season. If the Cards can close to within 4 games by the end of this month, you never know. The Reds are real streaky so don't be surprised if they hit a skid at some point. And the Cards still have 6 games against both the Reds and Pirates (and a bunch of games against the Astros).

Dude, he is being talked about a possible MVP this year. What more do you want from the guy?

looked damn good yesterday.

This is basically the same team that we had written off last year. How can anyone say they are done when they are 11 games over .500?

What I'm saying is I NEVER SEE IT. Granted, I don't watch all that many games, but if I flip on the Cardinals game and he comes up to bat, 9 times out of 10 he strikes out. I see his stats, and realize he must be playing well. It just doesn't seem to happen when I'm watching. On TV or in person.

I think my negative Holliday mojo has turned into a force of nature. :D

I have the extra innings package so I can watch all the games. I usually will watch alll 9 innings for about 70% of them while I'm learning new tech stuff. The other 30% I'll fast forward through to the action parts. So, I also dont see every Holiday at bat. He is doing much better in the clutch this year. But, I dont see him as clutch either. If we need a hit to get that winning run home, I'd rather see Molina or Fresse up there.

How many of those $100 million+ contracts in MLB does the home team actually get what they paid for? I bet its few and far between. We are getting what we paid for. Thats a rarity, just embrace his play now. Cause I'm sure he will fall off his current pace and you can legitmately bash him and I'll join in. :D

I have watched most of the games due to the wonder of MLB.tv and I used to be part of the Holliday hater club. I still cringe when he comes up in a clutch situation after the last couple seasons with him, but I will say this: The mofo hits the shit out of the ball. He probably has more outs from hitting a laser directly to an outfielder than anyone in MLB. His numbers are great now because those lasers are finding gaps.

Like last year, this team seems to have found a stable lineup. Berkman being in and out so much was really screwing things up. Now that he is basically done, we will have Craig 90% of the time at 1st and Carpenter the other days. The Tyler Greene experiment is seemingly over so we have Skip and DD back there, which is not spectacular but decent. SS, 3B, LF, CF, and RF have been set all season so it's just a matter of sprinkling in guys like DD, Skip, Robinson to give rest days. Lastly, the bullpen finally seems to be more stable with Mujica being the 7th inning guy and guys like Scrabble, Salas, Fuentes, et all being situational guys where they belong. The one big wildcard is Garcia coming back (assuming he does) and what that does to Joe Kelly or Lance Lynn (if he starts to break down due to innings).

He does hit the ball hard. What were they saying on the ESPN telecast, some Chicago pitcher saying Holliday hits the baseball like Brian Erlacher?

I don't know why they have ruled out a 6 man rotation already? Westbrook's #'s starting on 6 days rest is off the chart. I think Kelley's is too. Waino is coming off Tommy John.

They do still need the bullpen help from either Kelly or Lynn. The only pitcher who has a legitimate shot at pitching more than 6 innings day-in day-out is Wainwright.

They're on ESPN tomorrow. Probably get it blacked out again.

We dont want tire out waino. He didnt pitch for a year. they cut open his elbow. We are going to need him in the one game wildcard playoff game.

Holliday, Laser. Nice I see what you did there:

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseb...a4bcf6878.html

Okay, has everyone seen enough of Tyler Greene to say enough is enough? He is flat out pathetic in the field and absolutely clueless at the plate.

It's to the embrassing level. Why is he still on the roster?