If it was gonna happen it would have happened. Just somebody spraying shit hoping it sticks.

Notice how the dumbasses that think Bowe is "overrated" and "descending" are coalition castoffs...I bet if you run a poll over there on if they would trade Bowe for an average linemen, over 75% would do it...even if part of the poll was that we could re-sign Bowe for a reasonable amount.

When I was there, I felt like one of the survivors in the walking dead...surrounded by zombies.

as long as we trade him for a 1st rd pick+ from Cleveland,Jags,Carolina to get a QB.


maybe we could have the first 2 picks of the draft. :D

95% of the people who record their shit for Barry's Podcasts don't like him either.

Cleveland wouldn't do it. Josh Gordon is a rookie and he's showing the ability to be a #1 WR right now. The Jags have Blackmon....so there's no way they're going to pay money for Bowe and make Blackmon a #2. Carolina would be interesting....but I seriously doubt they'd give up a 1st.

Really the only logical trade spot would be Miami.....and it would more than likely be for both of their 2nd round picks.

I dont know how you can sit in front of your computer and spew that Bowe is overrated and x, y and z but then polish a ****ing god awful piece of garbage turd like Jon Baldwin based on hype, propaganda and being a Pioli ball washer.

It's laughable at this point.

All I want is one season of Bowe with a good QB in red. Bowe would ****ing light this shit up and shut up all of the dipshits out there.

Pot, meet kettle?

I still think Baldwin could be a great #2 opposite Bowe. He can be that deep threat with a viable QB. Our best WR trio would be Bowe and Baldwin on the outside and Breaston in the slot.

If Bowe is traded can he sign a long term deal or does it have to wait until the offseason?

If he can't sign a long term deal right away and the new team is basically looking at a half-year deal, the most you could get is a conditional 6th round pick that could jump up if the new team makes the playoffs/wins a playoff game/makes the Super Bowl.

Miami, Seattle and Minnesota would appear to be the only real candidates.

+1

We would draft the kids of Steve Emtman and Quintin Coryatt. Most definitely if they went to LSU.

I hate this team :(

that's the problem. COULD.

words like COULD BE. POTENTIAL. HOPE. WORKOUT WARRIOR. TRAINING CAMP WARRIOR. That's FOUR years of those type statements about 90 percent of the players Pioli drafted.

Yeah well he COULD be good. When? in the year 2015? I don't have ****ing the time in the day to wait for this shit team to stop being shit.

The Falcons sold the farm for a #2 WR that IS a great #2 opposite of THEIR #1 in Roddy White.

Pioli tried to sell us on the idea that the drop off from Julio Jones and Jon Baldwin was so small because they are the same player thanks to his father in laws garbage advice.

And it makes it even worse because we skipped ahead of the Ravens in that draft and the Ravens crapped their pants because the Bears boned them in a trade or whatever, and we had a wide open shot to draft Jimmy Smith and the Ravens panicked and actually thought we were, because it was clearly the BPA and we need all the natural playmaking talent we can get. The Ravens saw that. Instead Pioli drafts Jon Baldwin and then later on we get stuck with the crappy piece of garbage CB from Colorado instead, Jalil Brown.

We always settle for the turds.

I hate Pioli. I like Baldwin a lot.

I don't see how you can watch his tapes at Pitt and not be intrigued by the talent there.

There is a TON of Vincent Jackson in that kid. It took Jackson 3 years of intermittent time and opportunity to figure it out. Once he did, he was a stud doing little more than going up and getting balls and out-running guys. Baldwin absolutely has the physical ability to do those things.

Maybe Baldwin never gets there, but I don't see how anyone can be so eager to call him crap at this point. There's way too much talent in him to give up on and I really do think the work ethic is there. He's still trying to sluff off a stigma imparted by a wanna-be thug and complete has-been trying to start shit with a rookie.

If Thomas Jones isn't a ****stain, we're not worried about Baldwin apart from asking why he isn't getting more looks. Give up on him at your own peril.

You're the one letting your view of Pioli cloud your judgment on a player - not the other way around. You hate Baldwin because you like the idea of another Pioli fail. Don't project onto others what you're guilty of doing.

Agreed (in part). Baldwin hasn't shown yet that he deserves to start.
Breaston should be the starter. He's produced in this offense.

McCluster is getting open more than any other receiver and you want to take him out? Sorry man but I don't see it. That isn't the best line up.

Breaston should be the starter. So should Baldwin.

We don't use a fullback effectively and with Boss down and Moeaki being garbage, we don't have the personnel for a 2 TE set.

Our most effective offensive package should be a 3-wide, single back set. This will give Charles enough space to get at least one easy cut-back lane and he should remain extremely effective.

Then you go with Bowe and Baldwin wide, Breaston in the slot.

It's a fantastic combination of skill-sets and potential. You have a massive possession WR in Bowe that can move the sticks almost at will while also presenting a threat after the catch due to his strength. You have a guy in Baldwin that, through his height and speed alone should keep the safety on his side of the field honest, which opens up some space for Charles and more importantly the third wheel of the WR corps, Breaston. Breaston is great in and out of his cuts and runs smart routes, he's a perfect choice to take advantage of the space created in the intermediate areas by Baldwin.

But Daboll is really really bad at his job.

There are complimentary parts here - we just don't use them correctly.

Should have taken Torrey Smith over Baldwin.

Of course he's open.

He's generally 7 yards short of the sticks on 3rd down - why cover him until he's caught it?

McCluster is a drag on this offense more often than he isn't.

Great Post! Couldn't agree more.

And he would be useless in this offense because we don't have a QB to get him the deep ball and an OC that wouldn't send him deep anyways.

Probably some truth to that.

But if you reversed the roles, I think Baldwin would be having a much better career than Smith right now. We'd be saying the same thing, only it would be slightly less apparent. Torrey Smith has received twice as many targets over his career as Baldwin and he's done it while getting them thrown by a much better quarterback in a much better offensive system.

That doesn't matter with the QB/ OC situation scheme being used.

It all goes back to when a QB gets drafted what coach/ system does he go into makes or breaks him. If the Chiefs draft the #1 QB next April but its this staff, makes no difference. The Chiefs will still suck!

It does matter. Smith is a threat to take it to the endzone whenever he catches the ball because of his speed. Plus, he can get open.

Exactly.

Can you imagine how effective Baldwin, at 6'4'' with his body control, would be running down those deep passes that Flacco likes to throw? And Boldin presents a similar look opposite him in that offense.

If Smith was here, we'd be using him like we used Breaston last season and everyone would be wondering why we didn't take that massive MFer in Baltimore that's jumping over corners for deep balls.

Baldwin isn't the problem here - Dabol and Cassel are. Ultimately Quinn may help a little, but I'm still not convinced that Dabol will use Baldwin worth a shit.

Yep, but the point is that Steve Breaston doesn't get as open when he plays in the slot. Why isn't Bowe getting opening against guys like Eric Wright? Anyone have an idea? Did anyone notice the one time he was wide open against Tampa he dropped the pass? it was a slant. How many times was he targeted in that game? Maybe 6 at the most? That means that was a $100,000 drop right?

I don't see it. He's not open either. Everything is a jump ball to that dude where he has to try and make some kind of circus catch. He's part of the problem imo. He wouldn't have to do that except on jump balls in the end zone if he could get open.

Our QBs suck and in no way am I defending them. I'm just saying that we were counting on guys like Bowe, Baldwin, and Breaston coming into this season and they have sucked ass.

We have won one game because we are lacking talent.

Shutup Blackbob.

Yes he does.

Did you watch the team last year? Especially after Orton took over?

Breaston absolutely gets open that well, and he actually does it far enough downfield to matter.

Breaston is a much more effective slot WR than McCluster has ever been. All Dexter does is pad his stats by picking up 7 yards when we needed 9.

As to the rest of your post - did you have a stroke halfway through it or something? The rest of that is just rambling gibberish unrelated to any point I've made. But hey, congrats on speaking English the entire time - that's something.

Watch him. If the camera isn't following him much, try to go to Arrowhead a time or two.

He's open plenty - we just don't look at him. That or he's being run into the center of the coverage because (again) Dabol is shitty at his job.

If it's just a question of making one guy miss and then getting a step or two of separation, he does that plenty. But there's usually a safety waiting for him because our offensive scheme is garbage. Moreover, when there isn't a safety waiting for him, Cassel's usually unloaded to his check-off before Baldwin's route has developed.

Or he's open altogether and Cassel just doesn't look that way.

People are assigning causes to Baldwin that just aren't there. Watch him - he's doing a hell of a lot better than you think he is.

We have guys running open consistently. I've witnessed it.



Just no one to get them the ball

Then why isn't he starting over McCluster genius? You think Romeo wants to keep his job? Did Eric Berry say he was the toughest guy to cover on the roster? Breaston is done in the slot unless McCluster gets hurt. HE's DONE.

This is just as stupid as the Eric Berry to FS argument. No coach is EVER going to move Berry to FS. Maybe in one or two packages but, never full time.. NEVER.... LOL

It's Blackbob....he's already proven that he has no clue about anything Chiefs related.

Maybe after about seven seconds after the snap when the QB is running for his life. Most of the sacks we give up this year are coverage sacks.

This post is full of stupid.

Dabolls offense in Miami attacked deep consistently.

Then there is a disconnect somewhere. This game will go along ways to determine if this offense was specifically gameplanned for Cassel. Quinn can throw the deep ball (albeit with accuracy issues).....so we'll see if they're game plan changes now that they have a QB that has the arm to get it there.

I already said after we signed Quinn that he was the perfect fit for Daboll's offense.

That poster is full of stupid.

Listening to 610 Sports and they made a good point. If Crennel and Pioli think there is any chance they get canned if we lose enough games, they aren't trading Bowe or anyone else that may help them win some games.

You really are an idiot.

He's not starting because he's a Haley backer and McCluster is Pioli's prize pig. And most coaches would have moved Berry to FS if they had a decent SS already on the roster - like we did with Bernard Pollard.

You'll just swallow as much shit as this front office will feed you, won't you? Breaston's bigger, runs better routes, has better hands and is just as quick - but since McCluster is getting more reps you're just going to accept that it's on merit. Oh, and Berry's greatest strength coming out of college was his ability to make plays on the ball, read defenses and be dynamic with the ball in his hands - but nah, lets make him a glorified linebacker instead.

Afterall - when a coach does it, it must be the right decision. To hell with critical thinking - let's just take everything that one of the most historically awful head coaches in the entire annals of the NFL has done as gospel. Lord knows Romeo Crennel has never ****ed up. And we're even more certain that Scott Pioli has never foregone the right personnel decision in favor of the one that massages his ego.

You are completely worthless.

man o man.... you are losing it DJ's left nut. Can we please stop with the conspiracy theory stuff?

RAC and all the coaches are coaching for their jobs. GMs don't decide who makes the roster or who plays ok? Occassionally, owners intervene but very rarely. No matter what kind of BS you want to believe, this has nothing to do with Pioli. Futhermore, he denied having influence on roster personnel in multiple interviews last week. It is highly unlikely he would lie about anything in those interviews as Clark was definately listening, watching, reading. That was a big spotlight.

McCluster is better than Breaston in the slot. If he wasn't, Breaston would be starting. Daboll believes this and RAC believes this. Think about what you are saying. McCluster has been our most productive receiver this year. He's the only spark we have had thus far in that receiving corps. I like Breaston. I probably like him better than McCluster but there is a reason Dex is starting.

People used to say most coaches would have moved Pollard to LBer. There is always alot of bullshit talk like that on these message boards. Don't buy into it. Also, Pollard played for the worst secondary of all time on the Texans. He's had a couple of good moments but, strong safeties like him are like fullbacks. They are fading away. Big thumper slow types like Pollard are rare nowadays. Berry will never move. He is an extremely talented strong safety. You might see him in a package or two at FS but, never full time. Berry is a thumper, he's fast, and he is among the best strong safeties against the run. There is not a safety right now that closes on the ball carrier faster than Eric Berry period. The run defense was horrible last year without him. He's a freak and he isn't moving anywhere.

I agree that they shouldn't blitz him so much or use him in one on one coverage like RAC did against Sproyles and Gates. He should play more zone in the back where we can utilize his ball skills. However, he's also recovering from a big injury. I think he'll be back to old form soon..

So in other words, all you have to support anything you're saying is that Romeo is doing it, so it must be right.

Sterling analysis, good sir.

I wish Soren would leave us alone...

I'm saying that Romeo is starting him because he believes he's the best guy for the job. RAC is playing for his job and he has been around for a long time.

Haley started Palko last year to spite Pioli. How does that happen if Pioli decides who starts?

Last, McCluster was Haley's boy. Not Scott Pioli's. Did you see how Pittsburgh drafted 5 ft. 8 inch 180 lb. Chris Rainey this year? He is a very similar player to McCluster. When was the last time Pittsburgh drafted a player like that?

Black bob is smart...

SAID BY NO ONE, EVER!

Romeo is either scared or he's just flat wrong. Either are equally possible as Romeo is offensively inept and frankly, just a very shitty head coach.

Haley started Palko last year to spite Pioli and lost his !@#$ing job. Romeo will not cross his puppet-master so willingly. Haley knew he'd land on his feet somewhere (afterall, he's qualified to work outside of the BB tree) whereas Romeo's nothing but a BB hanger-on. Once Pioli cans his fat ass, he's done. Romeo's not going to go out on a limb to prove a point - he's just cashing checks right now.

McCluster was most certainly not Haley's boy. He tried desperately to make that runt somehow useful (afterall, that was a high draft pick that could've been used on actual talent) - and couldn't. If Haley's still here, McCluster's very likely cut by now. As to your Rainey argument - you're not serious? You really think that a first year OC went to a team that has a SB winning head coach and an elite front office that found guys like Mike Wallace and Antonio Brown and started dictating draft picks?

Haley had as much to do with the Rainey pick as you did.

Keep on suckling. Pioli loves guys like you.

For what it's worth, Bowe is listed as the #2 WR on today's updated depth chart.

http://www.kcchiefs.com/team/depth-chart.html

So! he can drop balls there too!

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it is impossible that someone can be this ****ing stupid...by any basic understanding of evolution you should have drowned in the shower years ago...

just ****ing stop it

Meh

And what happened after Haley did this? He doesn't physically force you to do anything, he just kicks you to the curb if you don't listen. Honestly, why do you think Crennel was hired?

The only reason Quinn is starting is because the media and fans are on Pioli's ass so much that he has no choice but to give the green light. He can't afford any more heat. It was time for him to throw his boy under the bus. Crennel will be next. Man I feel bad for that bus.

LMAO

Can someone just take Blackbob out back and give him the Old Yeller treatment?

Good ****ing god.

Haley got fired for being an idiot. He should have started Orton if he wanted to keep his job. Either way, it was the tip of the iceberg. Furthermore, it was a mutual decision between Clark and Pioli. If I were the owner, I would have fired him for that.

The players wanted Crennel after last season. Also, I think he goes where Pioli goes. Those two guys will share the same fate.

Personally, I think Brady Quinn is starting because Cassel got hurt and Cassel sucked when he did play. The fans influence on this decision is a distant 3rd. RAC is going to do whatever RAC wants.

There is no conspiracy here guys. I believe in the phone tapping etc. but, not this. Pioli isn't telling RAC what to do.

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John Clayton said there's almost no chance Bowe will be traded.

I doubt a dead duck under the gun GM would be given permission by Hunt to trade Bowe.

I'm sure Clayton is more accurate but this is on the front page of CNN.com:

http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_r...owe?xid=cnnbin

Not with this group of idiots fighting for their jobs.

Plus the Chiefs will get a 3rd round compensation pick and it would make no sense for a team to trade a 2nd round pick for a guy who's going to be a free agent.

Of course they are intersted as many teams would.

This. Why would Clark allow Fat Pussholy to further destroy this team, unless he's not planing on kicking his ass to the curb.

Excellent point...and that's if the new GM can't strike a deal with Bowe or Albert and tag the other.

I can't believe I let that one slip by.

Albert will be tagged before Bowe. There's no way that a first round QB is drafted without a solid, veteran left tackle.

WR can be more easily "replaced" in the draft or free agency.

If Pioli was worth a shit, he'd have Albert signed already.

JFC someone made a post on that site about KC should do a straight up trade of Bowe for Flynn.
I swear I wish I could reach through the internet and slap the shit out of people.

I think his plan was to franchise Albert and let Bowe walk.

And with his job on the line he's got no motivation at all to lock him up now...

Seattle radio was talking about the Seachickens acquiring Bowe for a 4th round 2013 pick, today. Just talk by the radio hosts but his availability, if any, is being discussed. I would rather get something for him than not if the decision has already been made that he won't be in KC next year.

That would be a terrible move on the Chiefs part.

If Bowe walks, the Chiefs will get a 3rd as compensation so why trade for a 4th?

Bowe's trade value does not even closely match his value to the Chiefs, which is much higher. A 4th round pick is a ****ing insult and an unnecessary kick to the nuts.

The new GM is going to have to fork over the dollars or go in a different direction.

Either way, I don't want Scott Pioli determining ANY part of Bowe's future. Pioli can go fist a cow.

Pioli can go fist himself?

LMAO

Seattle radio can stick that 4th round pick up their ass.

I'll be honest, part of me wants them to trade him just so I can hear what he has to say on the way out.

I think he learned his lesson. His agent will tell him to STFU and get paid.

I want Bowe traded to a team with good QB, so he can put up monster numbers and Cassel gets exposed as sh.tty QB.

Cassel has already been exposed.

I want him to stay here and put up monster numbers from Geno Smith.