No way the Chiefs would get Luck unless they lost a couple more games. You chose Cassel over Luck.

The Chiefs wouldn't have taken Luck anyway. And I was talking about last year, not the year before. But no, I will never root for my team to lose. A fan doesn't want their team to lose.

You don't get both wins and Luck, you ****ing idiot. Why is that so hard for you to understand?

You can only have one or the other. One has 7-9 and Matt Cassel. The other has Andrew Luck. What'll it be?

Then if you had it your way, Pioli is still here and the Chiefs are consigned to several more years of painful losing and mediocrity.

That's what a fan wants, I guess. If that's the case, then consider me not a fan. I want them to actually win a championship some time before I ****ing die.

IMO Pioli would have been fired anyway.

Oh, and go **** yourself with an AIDS tree.

No. You go **** YOURself. In splatbass world the Chiefs are the new Raiders.

For some people that's a living hell. For you that's paradise. Win all the games you can! 7-9 is better than a franchise QB!

The Chiefs wouldn't have taken Luck? Are you ****ing dense? The only correct picks Lilli ever made were the obvious no-brainers. There is no bigger no-brainer than Luck.

Get the **** out!

Thank you.

Goddamn, I hate that record:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi..._Pyromania.jpg

Clark Hunt voted to keep Pioli if he had it his way Pioli would still be GM. ****ing dumb.



Do you think for one second the Colts fans would rather win a handful of games than to miss out on drafting Andrew Luck?


I think not.

OKAAAAAYYYYYY

What's the score? What inning is it? Have you seen the bridge?

Here's a little song to bring some cheer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PXIui8sa2U

Dinny

Being okay with the way the franchise has been run since 1998 is basically wanting your team to lose.

Dumb.

Just simplistic thinking.

Its like saying because you don't enjoy Rush you don't like 80's Rock N Roll.

No I just don't like Rush.

If you don't like Rush you must hate 80's Rock because Rush is an 80's rock band.

No idiot I don't like Rush.

Simplistic thinking.

It's okay to disagree. It's not okay to be disagreeable.

WTF does that have to do with anything?

Maybe I am confused.

Please explain this comment.

I think where keg is coming from is that from about 98 to say 2008, the franchise was always ran in the present, never looking towards the future. It was always "scrap together what we can, to try and win now, we can deal with tomorrow later".

Once Carl was gone, Pioli was brought in and that was just disaster after disaster.

Now the new FO has come in, trying to win now, but also seems to have an eye towards the future. Which is refreshing.

Alright. I disagree.

Not rooting for your team to lose does not mean you are ok with the way the team has been run. Why do you guys need to make these untrue comparisons to run down people that disagree with you?

Especially after you said this:

It was a double entendre. I was on one hand referring to a certain segment of the fanbase that seems to believe the front office can do no wrong, and jumps all over anyone who questions any moves made, whether it's by Peterson, or Pioli or Dorsey. It's something that I've seen happen every offseason going back as far back as 1999. So I was saying that people like that, who never question anything, are basically just accepting whatever they get. Which as we know, over that period of time, has been losing.

And as O.city mentioned, the franchise has also operated in their version of "win now" mode over that time frame, with very little in terms of real commitment given to team development through the draft. Marty/Gun and Vermeil all basically killed the future (now present) of the franchise from the mid-90s through the mid-00s, and without the aberration that's marked by a few solitary draft picks between 2006 and 2008 things would be even worse now, as hard as that is to believe. So I also was saying that being okay with the way the franchise was operated from 1998 until now is being okay with losing. Because that's ultimately what you'll get.

Now, I hope they're trying to change the approach. You'd think they would, particularly with Dorsey (Reid's activities the last couple of years are frightening, on the other hand...). But the reality is that they haven't, yet. They also haven't really had time to.

How was I running him down? I didn't understand his analogy.

Anyway, maybe we can stop sniping at each other and talk about the topic.

Every season I enter somewhat hopeful to varying degrees. I remember being hopeful when Croyle was being trotted out as a starter. I'm a big homer. I'm sure it's somewhat naive, but I just can't operate the other way, where I say I don't think this will work. The closest I got to that was last year. I was disheartened that Cassel was back, and didn't think Crennel was the best coaching choice.

I'm sure even the strongest pessimist will say they're hopeful, but I don't get the ire at homers. People that don't say things like, I'm done with this team, I can't take it, and then look at those that stay positive, even maybe naively so, and say you're part of the problem. No. Totally wrong. Are the Royals fans that have stuck it out and held on to hope for 28 seasons part of the problem? The real pessimistic fans might get annoyed at homers, but homers aren't okay with losing, I get really angry and frustrated, but at the start of every season I hit a reset button, especially in seasons involving a lot of changes.

Thinking homer or "true" fans are okay with losing, and thinking they make the team sit on their hands is as wrong as thinking SOC was the reason Hunt cleaned house. Both are not true. When I see footage of 10,000 fans sitting in the stands in the early '80s I don't say, fools! I think those are the good solid fans.

I think the real problem is that we're all so hyper-worried about what other people think about what we have to say. But that's the internet: a wacky environment where people are sort of aggressively defensive. And narcissistic. So many things seem to be taken as personal effrontery.

Really strong post. Fans should hit the reset button each year. The only possible exception is if organizations have a disastrous season, yet keep all aspects of the team the same. That could put a real strain on hope... but that isn't the case with what KC has done from the 2012 to 2013 season.

GO CHIEFS

Firstly, there isn't anything wrong with that type of fan at all, that's 95% of the franchise fan base. Where it goes awry is on cp people think if you are pessimistic about x or y, you aren't a fan I the team and need to move along to another team. You don't have to be excited about every move and you can question moves a team makes and still be a fan.

Yet on here, when you do that some (not you specifically) start throwing insults at you and put a stop to a lot of football talk. As much as some want to argue the pessimist have ruined football talk, it goes the other way as well. "Homers" don't like to read negative stuff and take it as a personal insult.

Again, I don't have a problem with "homers" but that's just not the way I view sports. Hell, I'm as diehard of a stl cardinals fan as there is, fifth generation, first word was Ozzie, season tickets when we live hours away kind of fan. They're one of the most successful organizations in sports an I still question moves they make. I don't think that makes me any less of a fan.

But gain, in the end these guys are humans (te front office, coaches) and they make mistakes. I'm not goin to put my head in the sand and hope it turns out ok without discussing it. Again, this is a message board, just because I might not agree with this or that move, I still want and hope they win games.

Why does there have to be some fan standard? People should just react how they react.

Don't know if any if you guys read it, I skimmed it, but mellinger wrote a good article about the royals and their fans.

Something like it isn't up to the fans to believe its up to the team to give something to believe in. Paraphrasing of course

@mellinger: DKTM: "It’s not up to fans to change decades of learned pessimism. It’s up to the #Royals to give them a reason." http://t.co/NKYhbYI27w


I think this fits the Chiefs as well

Some portion of every single fan base will back the FO no matter what, thats just reality. Last year in the middle of SOC there were people telling us it was wrong. Its just how it works, the Chiefs are no different a fan base in that regard.

The team did not use a win now approach in 2008 or 2009 and that ended up getting Herm fired because the losing caused the fan base to stop showing up. If you remember they TRIED to use Croyle as QBOTF but Brokie ended up being Brokie and well, not very good.

No one can debate we could have made better QB decisions since then but its also practically impossible to deny (though some will try) we have a talented team right now and trying to win now while developing for the future is the best option at this time.

I have no doubt thats the plan.

Yeah, I always say to each his own, so I guess I am being a hypocrite on this. Maybe going to church is an example. No point in going to church if one is going to live their lives in hate and sin? Probably a terrible example, but whatever... I never claimed to be all that sagacious.

When exactly is that not the best option?

I wouldn't necessarily say its impossible to deny right now. There is quite a bit of individual talent but that talent just came off a 2 win season. I'm hoping the coaching makes a huge difference

It wasn't even a possible option in 2008 honestly.

Chiefs fans don't have decades of learned pessimism. They have higher expectations. Royals fans are dying for an over .500 record, and to just be in the hunt. Many Chiefs fans are saying playoff wins or bust.

False comparison. Logic fail.

So no Chiefs fan has reason to be pessimistic that the Alex Smith signing isn't going to work?

The chiefs haven't win a playoff game in 2 decades.

Didn't say that. Just saying being a Royals fan and being a Chiefs fan are two different things.

You can be pessimistic about any move you want.

Royals haven't been in almost three.

You just said that Chiefs fans don't have decades of learned pessimism, though.

I don't think they do. Playoff failure stings. I don't think it's the same demoralizing beat down as not getting a whiff in more than a generation.

Recently it's been bad, sure. Do you look back on the '90s with utter embarrassment?

The Chiefs haven't won a playoff game in 20 years. For the last 15 years simply making the playoffs has been a rarity. Since 1998 they have a single, solitary 13-win season (which was a full decade ago), two 10-win seasons, two 9-win seasons and a single .500 year. On the flip side they have 9 losing seasons including two 2-win seasons and two 4-win seasons.

One thing I didn't realize: in all that time they've had back-to-back winning seasons just once (2005-2006). Whereas they've had concurrent losing seasons 3 times (2000-2001, 2007-2009 and 2011-2012) and were under .500 5 of the last 6 years.

I don't see how the fanbase can't be demoralized at this point. There are now adult Chiefs fans who can't even remember the team's last playoff win. If they were even alive for it.

The 90s are a memory that grows more distant every day, and it won't be all that long before the Vermeil years begin to fade that way, as well. I know they've already started to for me.

Do I look back at the 90's and care? Nope. That team was the Colts of the 90's, only problem was they never won a SB.

You're an idiot if you think Chiefs fans have nothing to be pessimistic about. The Royals may have it worse but both teams leave reason for their fans to doubt that they will ever amount to shit.

Not at all. Perfect example of simplistic thinking.

Except for the fact that you didn't even grasp what my thinking was. If you were trying to parody yourself, though, then kudos.

Splatbass would rather have 7-9 than a 2-12 season plus Pioli getting fired.

It has NOTHING to do with preferences in music, and it has everything to do with not being able to look to the future for the GOOD of something you love.

Where did I say anything about Chiefs fans having nothing to be pessimistic about?

reeruned

Yes.

Right here.

Not really it goes like this -

Just because you cant actively root for your team to lose does not mean you don't want a franchise QB.

The 2 things are not mutually inclusive.

There are people that believe they are, and thats ridiculous. Period.

You don't want the team to lose = you are perfectly happy with the last 20 years of Chiefs football and don't care if we ever get a franchise QB.

It just not that simple.And this is coming from someone who rooted like hell to lose out in 2012 because I knew it was Pioli's ticket out the door.

simplistic
oversimplifying complex problems; making unrealistically simple judgments or analyses

"Alex vs Geno! It's on!"






























No it's not....

:facepalm: Get out of this thread. You bring nothing to the discussion.

Thank you.

Alex will. He's experienced. On a team on the rise. With a good coaching staff. Geno might not even make it. Plus Geno is on a bad team.

I don't believe Alex will survive the full 16 games as his health history dictates.

He had 2 injuries early in his career. Shoulder related. He hasn't had that problem in years. Rocky Bernard a 300 lb. + guy fell on his shoulder. It was never fully healed. And he reinjured it the next season. There were complications with the repair and healing which did not go well. Thus a similar injury the next season but not exactly the same.

The concussion last year? LOL. That can happen to anybody. He was replaced by Kaepernick because Kaepernick is better. He could play fine last year if they wanted him to. But they didn't want him to. He's been mostly healthy the past few years.

A concussion ( cerebral contusion) opens the door for more problems in the future because that never injury never heals totally, and he only started 80 games in his 8 year career.

He missed almost 2 entire seasons with the same shoulder injury that did not heal.

He's had a 6 YEAR CAREER.

I watched every game of his career. I'm a 49ers fan. I know everything about his history.

He doesn't have concussion issues. I haven't seen him get knocked out of many games that way. He was fine last year to play. Kaepernick was just better. Thus the switch.

He's healthy 2011 and 2012. One game with a concussion in 2012. So what? He could play out the season if they wanted him to. Kaepernick was better. That's the reason for the change. Not his head which was fine. Cleared to play.

Ummmm are you in denial? He is going into his 9th season.

What I'm saying is he really played 6. His shoulder was injured, not properly repaired, he wasn't fully healed the proper way, thus the re injury the very next season. Thus 2 missed years. I don't blame the guy for not being properly fixed up. That's a failure of medical and training staff IMO.

Thus -2 years in playing time = 6 played.

This year didn't start so we are not at 9.

He's fine in 2011 and 2012. He played plenty in those years.

Again it never fully heals. If he gets rocked again that involves severe head contact the chances are he's going to have another.Then he may suffer CTE symptoms in the future.

Dumb.

He was also both injured and benched both 11 and 12. Par for the course for your boy.

This goes for every other player whose had a concussion.

This shit isn't exclusive to Alex, but you keep posting like it is.

Every other player isn't starting at qb here.

But we are talking about Alex.

No shit it's like that for everyone, and Alex has one already. He could get Aikmaned or Chris Chandler real easy with a hard enough hit.

He should be fine. Any player in the NFL probably has 6 - 8 concussions that they never told anybody about. Got their bell rung and went back in and didn't tell the trainers. Any player could be knocked out for that at any time.

I think you are making way too big of a deal out of this. Alex has not had big concussion issues over the course of his career. 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 he played pretty well and was mostly healthy overall.

He was cleared in 2012. Kaepernick was just better. He could play out the season and playoffs and Super Bowl if they needed him. You make it seem like the injury took him out of the season. That's simply not the case. Kaepernick was better. It's not related to the injury. He could play 2012 if they wanted him to.

Geno gained on Alex tonight simply by not playing.

Alice Smiff ****in' sucks. Getting exposed by the Niners' backups, really?

Perfect example is Trent Green he was leveled in the Bengal game in '08 and when he came back he was never the same. "He'll be all right "is pretty cavalier reasoning to believe it won't effect his play if Alex has another which is likely considering he plays the position which has the biggest target to strike.

That's not my whole quote. You continually just pick selective parts of my quote and completely edit out the rest of my argument every time you quote me.

Hey buddy I guess you are just convinced and no logic will tell you otherwise. I'm wasting my time with you. Good day.

Yeah because you're wrong, and the general gist is what I quote. You're reasoning behind it is bullshit. It's obvious you've never suffered any head trauma or talked to a medical professional about the issue.

How you guys like Alex now

This is the single greatest post I have read here in some time.

This is the dumbest goddamned post I have read tonight. That said, the night is young.

I had to work all ****ing day. Please; a brief synopses of the Smith suckage...

He was fine in 2011 and 2012 to play. He missed 1 game in 2012 with a concussion. Whooopie.

The offensive lines job is to block. That's why you picked Eric Fisher. Who looks good btw. You got a good tackle on the other side too. So protect him. Alex like any QB will play better with good O Line protection and a good running game too. You got good and fast RB's. So use them. A balance with good running will help him. O Line protection with Fisher will help him too. Alex will be pretty effective and functional if you give him time.

Any player could get injured. He's mostly healthy the last few years overall.

:facepalm:

JFC.... Smiff attracts some of the dumbest mouthbreathing troglodyte homers this league has ever seen.

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