Defensive line is very iffy, some questionable pieces in the secondary. Berry and Flowers are good, then we're not really sure what we have.

LB corps is amazing.

Tough to say. The offense was so horrible last season.

I feel what you guys are saying about Bowe.

The one thing I will say is that Smitty is going to throw the pass designed for the play.

He doesn't really improvise, he doesn't really ad-lib.

So if Reid can put Bowe in those spots consistently,they could be a good tandem.

But that means Bowe is going to be in that 12 yard box a lot.

I agree with that. I mean more schematically. But big picture it's on Alex if they lose.

Talented, but had been misused up until this year. Be interesting to see how they do in an attacking scheme.

Twelve ****ing yards?

Shit, this guy had 15 TDs and 16.1 YPC with Matt Cassel.

You're going to need those guys to play out of their mind for you. Especially the LB's.

Smitty's efficient. But he's not going to score a lot of points. Unless they played a team that is complete garbage, (and this is on the niners mind you) he was good for about 17-21. Which isn't horrible.

The issue is he's not great at playing from behind.

You're going to have a lot of games where the D is going to have to string together consistent stops.

I'm thinking that 12 yard box doesn't account for YAC.

The team has scored 13 PPG the last 2 years, that would be like Arena Football.

No it doesn't. And to Alex's credit he likes to let his guys make plays. There'll be lots of chances for YAC. Cause Alex aint throwin it deeper than 12 yards.

Damn. Well when you put it like that.

This is the kind of thing I talked about when I noted that Matt Cassel threw the ball down the field more than Alex Smith.

JFC.

Some of Bowe's best YAC plays, Cassel was throwing the ball 15-20 yards down the field.

The AFC is wide open. If you guys can get hot. Anything is possible.

The Bolts are trash, the Raiders are a joke, and the donks are basically "The Colts West" with an older P. Manning. (I'm really starting to hate the Broncos and I don't know why)

It's gonna be on Andy Reid to develop a sound consistent system to fit his personnel. And the defense has to be at least middle of the pack.

Yeah, I'm not really scared of a team who's Head Coach kneels down with a HOF QB behind center.

Yup, those seam passes to VD are all imaginary. I don't know why teams started doubling him deep.

Some argue that Alex was adverse to throw into traffic because his WRs for the longest time wouldn't fight for the ball. I'm curious to see how well he performs with Bowe. He did pretty well with Crabtree this past year when Crabtree decided to show up for work. I think Bowe is the better WR.

Yea,that's not happening. Not with any regularity anyway.

Unless he's WIDE OPEN.

Most of his throws are going to be right around the first down marker. Either just in front of it, or just behind it.

Now, some of that is scheme obviously. Kaep throws some short passes too. Every Qb does. But IMO, I felt like that was our passing offense.

Moeaki might wind up as the 3rd string TE....

It would be cool to win a playoff game for the first time since 1993. I won't deny that. Whether I change my tune on Alex Smith depends on how they win the playoff game.

A playoff win like the one against the Saints, followed by a loss in the next round where Alex Smith can't make consistent plays against a good D and can't keep his offense on the field? Doesn't do much for me other than break the embarrassing streak of complete postseason failure.

It's not Alex Smith's general competence I question. He's an OK NFL starter, and as long as Andy Reid and co. treat him like that and nothing more, there's no long term damage. What I question is Smith's ability to be the QB who makes plays against elite teams and good defenses in elimination settings.

Making the playoffs and winning a game with Alex Smith is not necessarily a good thing, either. I imagine they'd extend him regardless, if they win a playoff game. Even if he is merely a bystander to winning the game rather than the lynchpin, and probably even if he shits the bed in the next round again.

Vernon's deadliest routes with Smitty were the wheel and the underneath stuff.

You're not going to find a whole lot of tape of VD just eating on 25 yard seams with Alex at QB.

The deep seam action would be there. But we weren't hitting those with any kind of regularity with Smitty.

Walker ran a deep seam against Baltimore in 2011. Very early in the game.

WIDE OPEN. Smitty throws the check down.

He talks about it after the game and he says, "I saw it. But I didn't want to go to it right away. I thought the opportunity would be there later in the game."


It wasn't.

Also... while we're talking about WRs and TEs and targets...

Bowe is probably a better receiver than what Crabtree has become, but I don't think he's nearly the matchup problem that Vernon Davis is. No knock against Bowe, whom I've supported and liked for a long time, but Davis is just a freak of nature.

Hey 9er guy.

What would have happened to the 49ers offense if you replaced Vernon Davis with just a decent tight end?

LMAO ... 49AllTheTime is now in the house, lolz... welcome.

Reinforcements!

We will repel the invasion of Alex Smith homers with our allies from the West.

There are going to be a lot of mothers ****ed today.

Meatloaf makes the basement dwellers horny I reckon

And, I will tell you like I told everyone here. Before the 2011 season started. There was ONE pro bowler on the 49ers roster. That was Patrick Willis. It is AMAZING what coaching can do for a team don't you think?
Getting out, and getting away from Philly, was the best thing he could do for himself. But, getting out of football, and doing what? He is a life long coach. Hes exactly like Joe Pa. Joe Pa was forced out, and he died within months. He just needed a change of scenery, he didn't like the way the front office was being done in philly.
Wow. Lets see.

Goes back in time to this time in 2011.

Well, we have Patrick Willis, we are replacing a very good lb in Takeo Spikes with an unknown in Navarro Bowman. We just gave a huge contract to Ray McDonald, we know we have Justin smith, but Isaac Soap, and Ray McDonald have never proven themselves, nor been starters. Ahmad Brooks was also made a starter for the first time, and we had Parys Harelson, who nobody in SF liked, starting over the 7th pick in the draft in some unknown chump named Aldon Smith.

In our secondary, we cut Nate Clements, and replaced him with Carlos Rogers, for 1 year, and 3 million dollars. We Kicked out Michael Lewis, and Taylor Mays, and brought in another guy who even the Buffalo Bills didn't want in Donte Whitner. We had Dashon Goldson, who had his worst season as a pro in 2010, and Tarrell Brown, who everyone hated. Shawntae Spencer, was benched, and he was projected to start.


That, is your DEFENSE THAT YOU CANT STOP SUCKING THE DICK OF, AND THAT IS HOW 49ER FANS VIEWED IT AT THE TIME.

And notice this. I didn't even mention, ANYTHING about the coaching. No one knew anything about Vic Fangio, and how he was going to be. Didn't know a damn thing about him. All we knew is that we won a bidding war with the Miami Dolphins for a COLLEGE HEAD COACH, whose first impression, was to keep public enemy number one as his QB in Alex Smith.

That's what you knew about the 49ers going into 2011.

How does it relate? Its the same ****ing story with this Chiefs team.

It doesn't matter what you say about that 49ers defense, it was #2 in the league.

Our defense will not be close this year, no matter what.

Good Grief man. Go look in 2009, when Alex Smith was the main guy throwing to Vernon Davis when they scored 13 tds with Vernon Davis. THAT WAS THE ROUTE. You also talk about the Wheel route, which alex is EXCELLENT AT THROWING by the way, like its not an outside the hash marks throw, that travels further than 20 yards in the air on average. You also fail to mention that as far as a receiver goes, Vernon Davis probably has the worst hands in the entire NFL. He is a straight body catcher. This is how you are going to come on this board and slam Alex Smith, by telling these lies? I already made you prove yourself that you said that Alex Smith didn't target Crabtree, when in fact he targeted him more than anyone else. And that was in a season where crabtree had NOTHING to do with the 49ers during the offseason. He completely avoided Camp Alex, and took no part in training camp, or the preseason, and MISSED WEEK TWO INJURED. Wow.....
For all the knocks that people give to Alex Smith, about refusing to take chances, people really don't understand who Vernon davis is. Vernon Davis is a body catcher. His hands, are absolutely awful. Go watch the catch against the saints. It was a BODY catch. watch his two tds vs the giants in the nfccg. BODY CATCHES. You cant really throw into traffic with Vernon Davis because he is a BODY catcher.
Exactly. You just proved my point you oaf. You don't want to hear the truth, because it ****s up your mindset that Alex Smith cant do what he did here in San Francisco, because the Chiefs don't have their defense. When in fact, on paper, the Chiefs defense, today, looks BETTER than the 49ers defense looked going into 2011. Not to mention, the Chiefs Oline is better at THIS MOMENT, than the 49ers line was going into 2011, and you have Charles, and Bowe, who are better than Crabtree, and Gore, going into 2011.

Most,, thought Gore was done, because he had that Hip injury in week 11 of 2010, that's when Westbrook took over. Most thought Gores career was over.

You don't know shit about the 49ers, and even when people explain it to you, you just dismiss it.

You will learn bitch cakes. You will learn.

If you read the last link I tried to put up, you'll see that statisically Alex faired better against above average passing defenses than the average of NFL QBs.

LMAO

No one on our defensive line is remotely close to Justin Smith.

Use your brain.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KZ_4TJ2R3o

Here is the proof. Yeah, alex doesn't throw down field, or seam routes......

Jesus ****ing Christ.

He saw it...and he was kicking himself in the ass for it right after the play. As he should have. What he told the media after was thought out.

Justin Smith, wasn't Justin Smith, before 2011. I have tried to tell you this time and time again. One, most of you don't even know who DeVito is. You don't know what he can do. He has the same kind of MOTOR, as Justin Smith.

Clay, you are outclassed, and outwitted. Its no wonder you want reinforcements. I keep killing you with facts.

You idiot. Justin Smith had 65 career sacks going into 2011.

We have NO ONE like that on our defensive line. Period.

The Chiefs will be lucky to get 10 sacks from their starting defensive line this year in it's entirety.

Yeah no one on here knows anything about Justin Smith even though he played at Mizzou and is from the state of Missouri. :rolleyes:

Hi. Again. let me educate you. He spent his first years with the Cinci bengals, in the 4-3, as a defensive end. Lol, and I have stated, Haloti Ngata, JJ Watt, Justin Smith, are the EXCEPTIONS in the 3-4, not the rule......

Stop, EMBARRASSING YOURSELF. Justin Smith, did not make the 2011 49ers defense that elite. Navarro Bowman, Aldon Smith, Carlos Rogers having a LOCK DOWN OUT OF EXPERIENCE YEAR, Dashon Goldson, Tarrell Brown, Ahmad Brooks, all had CAREER YEARS.........

They capitalized on every single opportunity to get turnovers. They played with the Short field because the OFFENSE didn't turn the ball over, and if they didn't complete a 3rd down, they still had a GREAT PUNTER, to bury the opposing team in their own territory.

Lol, there is so much you don't know young grasshopper. BWHAHAHAHAHAHA. It just keeps getting better.

You just tried to lie about Justin Smith and I caught you.

The dude has been a badass his entire career.

You are a liar, a deceiver, and you will be destroyed.

Probably true. But one can hope that line will stop the run and use the LBs to create pressure. That's what I'm hearing the coaches have in mind this offseason.

Clearly, Clay has no idea about Justin Smith, and how he is used in San Francisco. He was used this last year, and all of his 3 SACKS, to hold blockers, for pass rushers named ALDON SMITH, to get after the qb. Now wait for it.

What is the Chiefs strength on defense? WHOA, THEY HAVE TWO REALLY GOOD PASS RUSHERS. So, the job of your defensive line, as it has been under the jets, under Sutton, and Rex Ryan.....

Don't worry, ill wait. Look, im not trying to be a dick here. Just mainly trying to explain why people assuming that the chiefs defense cant be good this year, is flat out stupid and reeruned. You had too many pro bowlers, and the offense was far too putrid, and pathetic to assume that if the offense takes care of the ball, and lets just say for the hell of it to appease the angry, that if we say, take 20 of those 37 turnovers your offense had last year from its qbs, and make them punts, we don't even have to factor in field goals, lets just say punts, with Colquitt, you have flipped field position, and you are going to tell me that your defense wont play BETTER? even top 10 better with Houston, DJ, Hali, a healthy Brandon Flowers?

Can you even argue that at ALL?

I read it. I'm a big fan of statistical analysis and the guy does some interesting things. I don't know how much stock I put in something like that, where the truly terrible guys and the elite guys are separated by such small statistical measures (5.82 yards to 5.50, etc).

I also think (generally) when crunching stats about Alex Smith, there's a failure to account for the NUMBER of attempts. If you have a QB who holds the ball and usually doesn't push it further than 10 yards downfield unless his receiver is wide, wide open, the number of attempts will obviously decrease, and the accuracy of those throws he DOES make is going to be really high.

I'll believe he can WIN games against good playoff defenses when I see it (and I mean, LEAD his team, not come along for the ride).

Smith throws fewer of the lower percentage passes, which helps both his completion percentage and his yards per attempt.

He's been a very solid player...but to say he was a badass his entire career? How many pro-bowls does he have? 4. When did he get them? After joining the 9ers.

Which was well before 2011.

Maverick = liar

In a game of inches. I don't have a hard time believing the margins are that small.

If every QB could throw 70% completions, don't you think they'd all do it? If the knock on Alex is that he can't throw deep, wouldn't make sense that it'd be even harder for him to be that accurate short since teams would adjust for what he does?

He does throw fewer of the lower percentage passes...but he throws less overall. As a % of his throws, the margin isn't THAT skewed. It's less..but not OMG look at that.

uh, no clay, you don't even understand the difference between being a defensive end in the 3-4, and a defensive end in the 4-3. I have lied about nothing, and deceived nothing. Justin Smith is a great player, but his role, is, to hold blockers for Aldon Smith. By the way genius, do you even know how many sacks the 49ers D LINE, had last year?

8 sacks between, Justin Smith, Isaac Soap, Ray Mc, and RJF.

You don't know shit about what the function of the dline is in the 3-4 scheme.

it was 4 years ago, if I'm not mistaken.


BTW, if He's a liar for being wrong, then what does that make you? I've certainly posted erroneous facts here and have been corrected.

Yes, because I said he sucked. Clearly you are smarter than me. One of the best teams in the league on defense had a total of 8 sacks from their d line last year, but you are claiming the CHIEFS, who you say have NO D LINEMEN PERIOD, will be lucky to get 10....Whew. You sure showed me.

Well looking at their line, I've kinda got to agree with him, they're not going to get many sacks from the line.

I just don't think they need it. They have enough beef to let the LBs do he work.

He is acting like I said Justin Smith sucked. I never said that. Justin Smith, became Justin Smith in 2011. He stripped Jeremy Maclin in the eagles game to seal that one. He batted down Eli Mannings pass to end the game in the regular season against the Giants, and, this is what let the WORLD KNOW WHO JUSTIN SMITH WAS.


http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2012/0126...th_cmg_400.jpg

This is not true.

You are lying.

I believe the margins are that small. I just don't think you learn all that much from them when they're that small and when guys like Cassel make surprising appearances/look surprisingly effective.

I'm not saying anyone could do what Alex Smith does. He's an accurate passer. I think part of his accuracy - beyond natural ability - comes from some of the things he does well - setting up plays, checking into the right play, etc.

I also think part of it is his willingness to check down short of the sticks. He's willing to take the 6-yard pass with 2 YAC on 3rd and 11, and defenses will allow those passes in a lot of cases.

My main thing is I don't believe in the guy making ENOUGH throws like the winner he threw to Vernon Davis to win in the playoffs with any consistency. The throw into tighter (but not blanket) coverage past the sticks. That's backed up by experts who have broken down his play (and especially his play in the Giants game) and by countless 49er fans on the internet.

They don't need it. But, Clay has been preaching all offseason that the reason the Chiefs will suck on defense is because of their d line. And his premise has been because they lack pass rushers, which is true, and FINE. You don't need them in the 3-4. I have told him several times that the ideal for your d line in the 3-4, is that they suck up blockers to keep them off your lbs. He wont hear it. He also has rattled on about how bad Sean Smith sucks. and how the Chiefs defense cant be the 49ers defense, because. Even though I broke it down, position by position. he refuses to accept it.

Holy shit is that your video? Brown boy production? Pretty sad you link to a video you created. You are so blind in you championing of a loser QB it is hilarious. Alex Smith suuuucksss, and until proven otherwise, which he will get his shot in KC, he sucks. Hasn't really accomplished shit in this league, despite years and years of opportunity. He looked semi-decent game managing a souped up Ferrari of a team, but in the end was benched in favor of second year player. *I realize Montana was benched, but he had won championships by that point so he gets a pass*

It's gonna be fun watching people flip flop on Alex Smith.

I can't wait till the first round of flippers roll in.

Slowly, all these ball washers will disappear one by one...until there are only 2-3 left and they will be completely delusional.

Damn, I really hope I'm wrong this time.

We're going to get an influx of support during preseason.

He is going to be garbage during preseason since there is no gameplanning.

Probably less than 6 YPA.

Lol. before 2011, Justin Smith was known as a good defensive linemen. After 2011 he was known as elite. Look it up chump. There was discussions in 2011 for Justin Smith as for DPOY, that had never before happened in his career, before that season. It was universally known that before 2011 that Haloti Ngata was the premiere defensive linemen in the league. After this season, there was discussion that it was Justin Smith. Justin Smith was the All pro team defensive Tackle, and back up at defensive end. The first time he had made the all pro team. Which is the only one that matters. Russell Wilson made the pro bowl last year, Cam Newton made it his rookie season. Pro Bowls, especially now, with the Super bowl participants, don't even go to the pro bowl, making it even more useless, and with all the players that don't go for injury issues, or hell just not wanting to go, make it even more useless than that. You are don't know shit about anything that PFF doesn't tell you. The only opinion you accept is the narrow view that fits your false premise. I may be wrong on somethings, and I accept that and OWN it. You are declaring that the Chiefs season is a failure, and that their defense cant be good. both things that you have NO idea if they are going to be true or not.

After losing his job to the shoulder injury a number of years ago, he won it back by making those kinds of throws. He has a history of making those kinds of throws when his back is up against a wall or has nothing to lose. I don't know if he was coached out of doing it, or if he is just conservative by nature, but I absolutely believe he can make those throws.

With that said, he doesn't have a launcher arm...I think those shoulder injuries had a toll. That isn't to say he can't throw deep...but it isn't the missle that some QBs have. I think he's average in the range department...which is more than good enough if he's smart and accurate. Brady has made a career on it. (No that isn't a comparison, just to say it can be done)

Justin Smith has always been a beast.

That's why Cincy let him go.

I don't debate he has the ABILITY to make those throws. Not at all. he CAN.

It's his WILLINGNESS to make them when his back is NOT against the wall. His reliance on safe passes and ball protection at all times takes away a lot of early opportunities, and you don't always get the chance to make up for it against the elite teams late in the game. Especially when it comes to playoff time.

actually, no, that's not me. Sadly, yes the video was kinda lame, and it took me all of 20 seconds to find one sufficient enough to put together this silly rumor that every alex pass is under 10 yards. Alex Smith has not sucked the past two years. Souped of FERRARI OF A DEFENSE. There is nothing supped up about the 49ers offense in 2011, or 2012 for that matter. They started Randy Moss at receiver. Think about it......RANDY MOSS, ALL 35 YEARS OLD OF HIM, WHO HAD RETIRED. They also had Delanie Walker, who led the league in PERCENTAGE OF CATCHABLE BALLS DROPPED. This was LAST YEAR, not 2011, which is beyond garbage on offense as I have explained. But this Ferrari that you are calling it. I wonder what the hell do you call the Saints, Packers, and Falcons offense......THE MOTHER SHIP?
You are probably right. And im sure that your main bitch and complaint, is actually going to be really similar to what a lot of 49ers fans have said for the past two years. Wow, that's it? he will probably only play a series or two just like he did in san Francisco, because he doesn't really need to be seen by andy reid. I just thought we should point that out because that is probably what is going to happen.
A MIZZOU HOMER, PROPPING UP A MIZZOU TIGER? Color me shocked.

BossChief a Mizzou homer. ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL

How much of that, do you attribute to Coaching? I know for a fact, because it was discussed many MANY MANY MANY times that Nolan didn't want turn overs. Singletary pfff, he just wanted to run the ball, and he didn't care about the passing game period, and Greg Roman, and Jim Harbaugh instilled the ultra conservative mantra in him and cemented it.

I do too, wonder how much of that is Alex's willingness to take chances, and his good soldier like approach to do EXACTLY what is asked of him. Obviously, he has shown that HE CAN do it......If Andy Reid is encouraging him to be more aggressive, then I hope that Alex Smith does take some chances.

nah, he has always been good/great, and the reason they let him go, was because they were switching to the 3-4, and didn't think he could play end.

Whoops. Apparently the Bengals didn't know much about Justin smith either.

In my defense, he doesn't have who he likes in his profile, and he doesn't have his teams listed like I do in my signature lol. .

Bengals never switched to a 3-4 defense.

LOL, you might want to do some research on that........

<-Browns fan, and I love Brian Simmons from North Carolina who was one of their ILB's when marvin lewis took over as coach.

I have douche. Bengals haven't been a 3-4 team since the late 90s.

When does camp start so threads like this can die?

Shit bud they've just started. Wait for all the "I told you so's" when the Homers start reading the fluff TC articles

The way they are trying to roll out the hype train with this changeover, I wouldn't be shocked if they did gameplan for preseason games this year.

Jon Baldwin is just owning Sean Smith!

Works both ways.

"Sean Smith is completely shutting down Jon Baldwin."

Not impressed.

You're a child.

It's going go down just like it did with Cassel.

It was late 2011 before most of the people defending him started to turn a bit.

AS will have every possible excuse made for him - hell, he's had a ton made for him already.

LMAO

I was at training camp yesterday when all the rookies and coaches got there. Few other fans were there talkin up Smith and still saying Cassel just didn't get a good enough chance and he was bad just because our offensive line sucked. :doh!:%(/

How do you find time to type with one hand up your ass and the other up your vag, Lil' Chiefy?

I pos-repped him based solely on this reaction.

Someone cue the gif....