I don’t see Dallas making up their mind or upping their bid. Atlanta isn’t usually that aggressive but he has history with Quinn. If I’m Veach I’ve got a plan ready for what you give up for him for a rental or if you extend him. I’d be flexible there if that’s the only way he wants to be dealt is if he isn’t tagged after the season. Seriously explore it he just needs to leave the contract drama behind in Seattle and out of KC locker room. So if he wants to extend fine. Be an Un tagged Ufa? Fine. Explore what it takes to get that done but you use the headache he’s causing them distraction wise to your advantage and be flexible. See what happens

Nope, which is why guys like Berry and Houston can take a pay cut or walk.

He's disgruntled for a reason that a new team can instantly rectify. He's disgruntled with the Seahawks, not anybody else.

And Watkins, even though I’m loving him right now, can basically be let go after two seasons. I’m not saying we will or should, but it can happen if we get in a crunch.

If we trade for him without a new contract he's disgruntled here. Any trade involving serious draft picks needs a new deal worked out beforehand.

I don't hate the idea of him being here to be clear.

I just don't see how they can afford him with Berry on the roster.

No way they should give up a first and I wouldn't be pumped if it was a 2nd.


To work, it would have to a similar to Chicago and Mack, a deal has to be in place on day 1.

I wouldn’t trade a 1st. It’d be different if you didn’t have to extend him, but you do.

Agreed.
I'm liking Watkins right now, but he is just benefiting from Tyreek Hills reputation.
Teams are game planning against Hill and Watkins is getting open.

Albert ****ing Wilson and Robinson get "NFL open" enough for Mahomes to make JAGs look like great WR's.

Watkins is replaceable because Elite QB's read the defense pre-snap and find the open guy... whether he runs a 4.3 or is a slow ass fullback running down the sideline.

On a side note, I bet Dez Bryant would sign right now for cheap.

I am guessing Earl Thomas in his 30’s will be more of an impact player than the 2017-2019 draft picks on defense in their prime during this same time period. Chiefs secondary is such a mess. At least you know what you get with Earl. No telling if any of the 2017-2019 picks will turn out worth a crap.

Well they’re going pretty cheap right now at DL and CB. Also at QB and RB.

So they can afford to pay a little extra elsewhere.

Patriots this year dispel that.

I wouldn’t go that far. Watkins is a really good player. Can’t punish him for benefitting from those around him.

He runs good routes, has caught the ball well, and is dynamic with or without the ball in hand.

Until Tom Brady retires, I'm not counting him out.
We've seen this story before.

Oh, don't take that the wrong way... I'm saying in a couple of seasons if the Chiefs desperately need money, Watkins can be the guy to go rather than Tyreek. (If we have to cut into our offense).

Otherwise, take a hike Berry and Houston.

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It’s early but Bowles is rumored to be on the hot seat already yet they are supposedly interested in the Steelers Bell. It’s early season crazy which is normal but don’t run away and deny our need at S. Be loud and maybe somebody else has a S worth a shit they would consider moving if the Thomas deal doesn’t play out. He tried to get Hitchens last year knowing his contract was up. One of his first calls as GM. So think about it that way that he’s not afraid to try to fill a need with a trade. You think he and Reid had their thumbs up their ass when Roseman and Peterson had the ride they had last year? They will be aggressive and so will Clark they are a bit jealous deep down who wouldn’t be?

Paylor says the Chiefs just want the price to come down...

Agreed. I think if terms were reasonable for Veach, Thomas would've been a Chief in August.

It probably won't get done then.

Probably. But I would still explore it if he’s dead set on eventually winding up in Dallas

**** that. Dude is acting like a whiny bitch in Seattle over not being paid.

Seattle needs to be reasonable here. The team they trade with also has to pay him. He’s 29, not 25.

That shouldn’t warrant a 1st round pick, and I’d love to see the deal done somehow. But let’s be real.

!RemindMe 8 weeks.

That’s the unknown is what’s the price though? I’m thinking it was Dallas hung up on going no higher than 3 and basically talking there selves out of the deal if it’s higher than that. So start with a 2. I think all this other shit is noise and BS from Seattle. He’s also a pain in their ass right now so they need more interest to be dealing from a position of strength right now

Depends on the price. On a normal season I would strongly agree. Considering a need for a S and he’s an all pro and KC is on fire right now I might step out of my ****ing comfort zone and explore every avenue

They're not going to trade for him and not extend him. Whoever acquires him is giving him a new contract.

I thought this at first, but I've come around on the players' point of view lately. You see how many injuries happen every single week. There's a big difference between simply wanting an extension, security (ET) vs wanting to be paid like a whole different, far more valuable position that you don't play (Bell).

His last deal was significantly lower than market value - he took less so they could re-sign guys like Chancellor and Sherman, who are all now gone. He wants credit for being a team player and the team would rather give him the cold shoulder.

He's not being a bitch, he's standing to his principles.

Yep, it'd be great to have him

But Seattle is attempting highway robbery with the asking price

Which price? Earl's or Seattle's?

Seattle

If the chiefs trade for him, that would add another wrinkle when they play at Seattle in December. LMAO I'm getting really tempted to go as is.

Pete and Schneider have gambled and won and lost. Both good moves and bad but they are out of the entire conference if they did trade him here and took that risk with the Richardson deal and have players pissed at them. Don’t be afraid to offer one of them 2s that beats their comp 3 if he walks...start off there

If Thomas' asking price is a barrier, that's a BS excuse.

Teams work around the cap all the time.

The only barrier should be the Seahawks' asking price.

Can he even be extended right now?

People seem to always forget compensatory picks. They can get an elite year out of him, franchise him or let him walk and get a 3rd rounder. So far they've supposedly declined a 2nd. That's not crazy. Most teams would take that production and a 3rd over a random 2nd. If I'm a Seahawks fan, knowing we're rebuilding, I'd love a 2nd, but it's understandable management wants more.

If they turn down a 2nd and 3rd? That's definitely getting into crazy town. But has or will anyone offer that?

Yes.

So you can't sign any free agents that weren't cut if you want that comp pick. Seems to me that would hamper your rebuild.

Did we sign this piece of shit yet?

going into next year, the Chiefs have $48M in cap space. They will need to sign rookies, extend Hill, replace Bailey and Ford.

Cutting Houston adds another $14M to that cap space. If I were running things, I would look to extend him, if I can, bringing his annual cap number down. But Andy Reid has shown time and again that he gets away from players early rather than late.

Still, Houston is NOT old.

Meh. Thinking on it a bit I doubt it gets done if it hasn't already. Seems like Seattle expects too much.

We are going to get comp picks for Dee Ford and Allen Bailey, as well. Neither of those guys should be signing an extension.

Seattle accepts a ton of risk of limited to no return every time they run ET out there. If he’s injured, they will have given up a key rebuilding piece in the potential trade opportunities. I’d guess they are ready to get a deal done sooner than later.

They can agree to a contract in principle but he can't sign until after he's traded.

And of course, they can only negotiate in good faith if the Seahawks give permission. Otherwise, it is tampering.

Oh I see, you are questioning his toughness.

Once word gets out of that, then I'll believe.

Well, you won't likely hear anything concrete until a trade is done either way. The Seahawks aren't going to leak that they gave permission in order to keep demand high for as long as possible.

Falcons out on Thomas according to Quinn.

[McClure] Dan Quinn said he's not looking into a starting caliber safety like Eric Reid or looking to trade for a starter like Earl Thomas. Confident in Kazee at FS. Richards, Ishmael at strong.

Good point

Less leverage for Seattle.

Maybe throw a 3rd rounder and a conditional 5th round next year if he manages to stay on the field.

it's happening

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we are going to have the best safety tandem in football

teams are going to have to go on 15 play drives and not make mistakes to keep up with our elite offense

this is a PERFECT combination

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From the sounds of this he will most likely not get traded this season.
The Seahawks gave up a 2cd and change for Brown and they think Thomas is significantly better.

WOOT let that be true please. :P

ROFL

People ignoring that Seattle probably would rather deal him to an AFC team than Dallas.

I think one of our extra 2nd round picks and maybe a conditional pick could get it done. I'd rather have Reid but that's not happening soooo.

Earl Thomas can play still and is actually pretty durable. Makes us a Super Bowl contender of Berry actually plays as well.

Earl would be worth a 2nd.

Don't you be doubting randoms on facebook!

Obviously we would never give up a 1st. We will probably do a 2nd and a 4th, which is what we got for Peters, so it's basically like trading Peters for Thomas. Only we didn't know we'd be this good this year and Peters was causing problems so we couldn't sign him long term.

Good grief. Facebook rumors?

The Rams 2nd rounder would be ok with me. That would be like trading Marcus Peters for Earl Thomas.

Earl Thomas and Eric Berry would immediatly turn this defense around.... ffs maybe Justin Houston could stay out of coverage

Nope, I'm saying he is injury prone and his contract is hurting the team.

Debate it... you can't.


Maybe I went overboard with the toothache comment, but my god it's always something.

Yeah, that doesn't sound promising. Seattle would rather spite themselves and Thomas by keeping him even though there's next to no hope of accomplishing anything this year and an extension would've been done a long time ago if they wanted it done.

Earl Thomas is the best safety in football

Eric berry when healthy is right there too


Sorenson is white so that helps

I don’t buy that he’s at that airport at all. But damn it do I want it to be true.

Seattle sitting at 61 million in cap. Doubt they'd get a compensatory pick if Thomas leaves since they have so many holes and need FAs to patch them up.

It's not even random...

It's literally an account named JINX. LOL

Yeah....the whole comp pick thing is bullshit. That only works when you have a complete team and you can't afford to keep your own players.

Veach went after Watkins and Hitchens in August last year.

He will go after him in the Spring if he can’t get him now.

When it's too late.

"There's always next year..."

If that is in fact the case—just trade for him. We need him this year more than ever.

Great....you mean when he'll cost EVEN MORE because you'll have other teams to contend with.

Yep. Either get him now or not at all.

Jesus you are a broken record.

Seattle wants the league to think they won't trade him for leverage. You think they're going to keep dealing with his during the week antics? "Stubbed my toe. Can't practice." "Bad mood. No practice today."

We'll see how they feel in a few weeks once it's clear that they have no chance to win the division (which they should already know) and no chance as a wild card (NFC South).

And?

Until they do something about the GLARING problem in the deep middle of this defense are we supposed to just shut up and pretend there's nothing they can do?

Seahawks apparently want much more than a 2nd if Rapaport is to be believed. They can **** right off at that price.

Why don't you go stalk all the "Fire Sutton" people anyway.

At least I'm advocating a solution that might actually WORK.