Clarks history is that he is not ****ing Derrick Thomas. Ford led the league in Forced fumbles, and was top 10 in sacks. And you give that away PLUS a 1st round pick for a similar caliber player? ROFL

JJ brokedick basically questioning why Clark got that much

This alone has chilled me out. ****ing hilarious.

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Yeah, this isn't Bret Veach you're dealing with. Market says otherwise, but I'll cut your cost down to a 1st and 4th to help ease your mind a bit. Carolina's on hold, what's it going to be?

ROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFL:D:#


HOLY SHIT LOL

And Eric Fisher has ahead of Mitchell Schwartz...

Reminds me when he made Fisher his bitch

apparently, the quickest path to the QB is to throw the LT at him.

ROFL

They held out and not a lot of teams were jumping on the market for a future second round pick. In what fantasy do you think they were going to leverage one team bidding agaisnt themselves for a 1+4?

The reality is teams don't think Dee Ford is nearly as good as you do. Any questions?

So yea I hope Clark lines up by the LT as he essentially makes any LT his bitch

guys, when you watch Clark's highlights...I mean...he does things I've seen only very rarely, and he does them as a habit.

That 'throwing the LT' at the QB thing? He did that like half a dozen times last season. Once against Fisher. I don't know that I've seen a DE do that since like...shit, I don't know. I mean not as a like...facet of his play. This guy's ridiculous.

Eric Fisher has Mitchell Schwartz's head? :eek:

In fairness, Dee Ford's first step was epic and he was DT-ish speed rushing off the corner. I like the addition but if we watch a highlight video of Ford he looks like LT in Tecmo Super Bowl. It's that good.

I'm still super excited about Clark though.

Yeah, I see interior DL do it from time to time. I remember vividly Mack posterized Fisher with a vicious stiff arm one time, but that's the only time I remember an EDGE doing it.

I had to quit reading this thread after three pages, some of you have completely lost your ****ing minds.

I know, and maybe it's just because I watched DT his whole career (and knew him personally a little) Ford just always seemed a pale imitation. And all the injury problems, and the lack of football awareness, etc.

Good player, but not worth paying him what he's getting. Too one dimensional, and not on the field enough.

****ing Clark, though. He's a BEAST.

He's got really good leverage. Watch his game against Oakland last year. I am pretty sure Derek Carr isn't very happy today. LMAO

Looks like Hill's situation bought KC another year of cheap labor. I would imagine they might franchise him next year...Watkins is gone without a significant restructure.

Chiefs got better today...and are obviously in "SB or bust" mode. They still have 3 picks in the top 85. Fans cant say they didn't try.

Not a fan of team building through expensive FAs (Watkins, Hitchens, Mathieu, Clark) but Mahomes allows for it for a few more years.

I hope Veach can now show some discipline and trust their draft board...keep the picks they have left.

I’m thrilled. Huge upgrade over the dream crusher.

Sure, I've seen it inside. but from an EDGE? I've seen bull rushers shove guys into the pocket, but he ****ing throws guys! LOL

holy shit, man. He and Jones next to each other? F********CK.

These Clark highlights look a hell of a lot like prime Justin Houston.

dude, for real. Great leverage and that pop on the snap? ****ing violent, man. AND then he's got wheels, too.

If you wanted an attitude change up front, you just got one.

Veach created a massive hole by letting Houston and ford go. And then panicked, and gave the Seahawks whatever they wanted. That is the reality here.

Okay ... no problem there.

But what about the metaphysical, misunderstood, internal energies that separate humans from sandstone substrate and cause vastly disparate expectations among non-believers?

FAX

I, for one, admire your persistence, Mr. jonzie04.

FAX

The reality here is that you don't have any actual idea what you're talking about.

In what direction? Both?

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Good observation, i agree.

Dancing the twist and stunt, as well.

This could be a lot of fun to watch.

FAX

Another reality is that the majority of this board are such homers that they can’t see any wrong in what the organization does.

Damn, I don't understand why some yootoob videos don't play unless you "go" to yootoob.

What a bunch of inconsiderate dicks they have at yootoob. (It is their fault, right?)

FAX

Has to do with the NFL.

That's fair. It's been awhile since we saw THAT Justin Houston; and my memory may be faulty, but I don't remember him being that VIOLENT off the snap. I mean Clark's first step isn't all that fast, but he just explodes into the guy across from him. It's quite something.

Or, ya know, he didnt.

Perhaps he saw an aging justin houston who was vastly overpaid and misses 1/3 of the season every year.

Perhaps he saw Ford as an oft injured 3/4 OLB, who is a one trick pony, is too small for the current scheme, and only performed in contract years.

Then he saw a young, rising 4/3 end, who fits the new scheme, is a dominant player, and a guaranteed contributor NOW.

No brainer.

I applaud your commitment to excrement.

You're relatively new here. I've been here for almost 18 years.

I've been plenty critical at times.

THIS is a great move. For 2019, 2020, 2021.

I'll give you credit. I remember reading your takes in December (ironically the day of the Seattle game in particular) about how Sutton should be replaced and we should move to a 4/3 and how Ford would be expendable in that scheme. Frankly, the thought of losing both him and Houston (the latter of whom I think is underrated) frightened me. And then we got rid of both of them and replaced them with some excellent defensive coaches and, frankly, JAGs.

Today, we got the guy you wanted as a replacement. A more well-rounded playmaker whom Veach has surrounded with more well-rounded depth. I think if you want to play the Ford vs Clark vs the picks vs the cap hit game, maybe it's a close call. But Ford was a deadweight loss as far as I can tell as he didn't fit into the Spags scheme and we got the guy to replace him. And that makes me so ****ing excited.

So this isn't about simple math. It's about who the defensive staff thinks can fill things out. And for those of you excited about the defensive coaching ensemble we've established, give them some rope.

People claiming Veach should be fired, mostly.

I mean, I thought *I* was overly attached to draft picks. Some of y'all think they are more valuable than 25 year old proven talent. People have been bitching about the lack of a pass rush, then bitch when Veach acquires a Top 5 DE.

There's nothing in this draft we could have acquired for a similar price that will provide the impact Clark will.

That may be a career year for Ford.. Clark’s arrow should be pointed up.. guess we’ll find out either way.. if this trade helps us get a Super Bowl then who cares?

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You've been here 5 years + and have almost 6k posts and THIS is the conclusion you come to?

Unbiased people are saying it was a great trade for both teams.

Joe Flacco & Phillip Rivers just put in for early retirement. Derek Carr decided on gender reassignment surgery when news of Clark's trade came out.

I wasn't on the Clark bandwagon-I had concerns about his off the field issues. I still do; and i sincerely hope the Chiefs did their homework.

Ford didn't fit as a 4-3 NFL DE. It's true.
Houston I've always liked, but at that money at this point in his career, it just didn't make sense.
Paying Clark Houston's money? as a 26 year old still ascending player that's a perfect scheme fit and good-lord-get-a-load-of-those-highlight-reels, yeah, it's a no-brainer.

KC got a LOT better today. Jones and Clark are going to wreck worlds next to each other. I mean what the **** do you DO about those two? Dude.

You can't double both Clark and Jones. They're going to kill offensive lines being next to each other.

Doesn't the NFL frown upon that?

I think that’s where I am. Clark should be a good piece on a defense that needs a player of his stature. The Seahawks seemed to get back a fair package in return. Now they have to go do something with those picks.

Awesome thing about Spags scheme is Clark will be all over the field. Left side, right side and inside.

It's going to be extremely hard to scheme against Jones and Clark

Pretty excited. Glad the second rounder is next season. Still in good shape to draft some quality players.

Clark is more well rounded than dee ford. Plays the run well, and had 13 sacks last year. Plus, Clark has only missed 2 games in the 64 he could have possibly played.

I would be shocked to see Dee Ford not only make it through the season uninjured, but to replicate what he did without a Jones and Houston to account for.

#29 and Dee Ford for Frank Clark?

All ****ing day long.

Ford ****ed us out of a trip to the superbowl not knowing where the **** he was on the field. I'll probably NEVER get over that. Honestly glad he is gone so we dont have that constant reminder.

Dude. It's vicious. Carr's going to cry again.

Yup, none of that was a criticism of yours. It's just interesting where this entire progression has taken this team.

This was the trump move that Veach had been holding out for all offseason. He tried the Honey Badger/Thomas safety combination and just missed. He probably had this or Clowney or Lawrence on the radar beyond that.

I'm just so happy the idea wasn't to go in there with the guys we had assembled before today and some draft picks. That would've been an epic failure in my mind.

Kinda bummed Veach ruined my Thursday night but excited otherwise. We're going to win a SB this next season.

So it seems like everyone is happy about this trade now

Fwiw Seattle fans are mostly upset he's leaving, that should say something. How many here were pissed Dee Ford got tossed?

If they acquired him for lower compensation i would be inclined to agree with you. But they didn't. Tell me whats better

Dee ford on 5 year 85m contract
1st round pick on a cheap contract


Frank Clark 5 year 105m contract

No one is going to convince me we're better off with the latter.

Hell, just in the past few years we've gotten Peters (didn't end well), and Chris Jones with our 1st pick (I know Jones was a 2nd round pick)

If we drafted another Chris Jones or Peters, having them and ford would undoubtedly be better than Just Frank Clark for 2019, 2020, and 20201 No?

Oh **** no. SDH will be back later to bitch

god I hate Teicher

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LMAO put yourself in Dee Fords shoes. :)

Dee Ford is not equal to, or better than, Frank Clark.

This trade will really help guys like Speaks, Okafor and Ogbah.

Okafor may be a sub 4 sack average guy, but with this offense and Jones/Clark taking up all the attention, he might get 6 or 7 sacks and look like a steal.

Yeah, I see it like this-
Yes, we led the league in sacks. We also couldn't stop anyone when we needed to. Teams could run or pass on us at will. The only thing we could do was get some sacks when teams were forced to throw to catch up.

Against the good teams, that doesn't happen. So we lost games where we scored 40 points. Hell, one we scored what, 51?

So you have to take away something, and it starts with the run. 4-3, get beef up front, run stuffer DE's like Okafor, cool. You can't run. You're going to have to throw. Honey Badger is a fierce little ****er, good run player, good pass player too. Serious attitude. gotta like that. We're on the right track. Breeland, no matter what anyone says, is an upgrade over Nelson. We're in okay shape, still got some work to do.

Now you add a serious piece like Clark; great all-around player, productive pass rusher, not a guy you leave one-on-one. Brutal, violent first step, extremely physical player. Serious attitude change. Next to Jones, your pass rush just went from a potential weakness to a serious strength.

As long as he stays out of trouble, this move was a no-brainer.

Ogbah and Jones are the top 2 players at batted balls. They will be in there on third downs with Nnadi coming out on passing plays

You're doing a great job selling me. :D

Such an outstanding move by Veach

Go get a proven, young, dynamic player and give up a couple picks that may or may NOT become a proven commodity

Not only that, but he did it exactly where you hope he would... along the front four, the guys closest to the opposing glamour boy

If you’re mad about this, go be a Bronco fan

We're not going to be much better at stopping the run until we get some LB's who can shoot a gap, or at least maintain a gap. Our ILB's were awful at it last season, and that group still sucks.

I imagine there will still be a lot of roster turn over with that position group.

Better positions coaches should help out quite a bit.

Funny to think.....but if Veach lands Thomas......do you think he goes after Clark?

Could you imagine landing Mathieu, Earl Thomas and Frank Clark in the same offseason?

I’m gonna share my own post, because this most accurately describes my feelings on this trade.

I stick with what I said earlier today. Excellent trade! Great job Veach

After pondering this all day I've come to feel good about this trade.

Clark is basically Houston in his prime. Win.
Houston was injured ever since he got a new contract.
Ford had ONE good year where his back wasn't hurt.
Houston is 30 , Clark is 25.
Any draft pick we take at #29 will need a year to assimilate. Clark won't. Same with next years 2nd we traded.
We can still find good players at 61/63 to contribute now.
This was a huge move to win the SB next year.


I like it.

Chiefs fans with nothing to do Thursday night now;

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They're both very good players. Both double digit sack guys, Neither are on the level of Mack, Miller, Prime Houston etc. I'd say they're pretty equal, with ford being a slightly more disruptive player, and Clark being a bit better against the run.

Fords backside pursuit is very underrated.

Wasn’t it Frank Clark that made Derek Carr cry?

Amazing move. People are enamored by the draft for a crazy reason. Unless you're drafting top 5...talent could be anywhere

and just a different philosophy.

**** bend-but-don't-break.

ATTACK.

They didn't get Clark and Honey Badger to just sit back and play passive.

I don't think they got Hitchens for that either.

It appears to be a totally different mind-set.

We've watched them bring in guys that played well elsewhere and suddenly look like shit.

Did they really all just turn into piles of shit, or were they not being put in positions to succeed?

I think the latter.

Khalil Mack stats compared to Frank Clark last 3 seasons

Frank Clark - 47 games, 32 sacks, 31 TFL, 66 QB Hits

Khalil Mack - 46 games, 34 sacks, 39 TFL, 66 QB Hits

seems most are.

Bingo

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My stupid ass bricked the thread.