The fact that you have to keep using this stupid ass hyperbole should tell you something

Hey, there’s Frank Clark on the field making a play . . . . Oh, never mind, just another missed tackle.

This kind of loss is so demoralizing. Just absolutely got out shit pushed in on both sides of the ball.

In what ****ing way has Frank Clark had a good game tonight?

Frank Clark had one good PLAY, not a game. That shed off the block to stop the runner in the backfield. And I think he had one QB hurry.

That's not a good game.

Man it'd sure be nice to have Justin Houston play. He was actually good and is still good. Frank Clark is shit and even when he jumps the snap count and beats the tackle off the ball he misses the tackle.

Imagine having Justin Houston and still having a 1st and 2nd round pick and tens of millions to spend

He held his assignments tonite so shut up

He sure was good at keeping the OT occupied, so that he couldn't block someone else.

HE SET THE EDGE!!!!

He hits the lineman then kinda vibrates.

pfff like **** he did.

That's a nice narrative until the reality of that situation sets in. That since the day he signed that contract Justin Houston was an often injured underperforming player. Nothing will ever change that he acted like he could give a **** about 75% of the time. Maybe tonight mattered to him but most of the time he doesn't give a shit, so I really don't care if he's here or not, get a bitch and has been since the day he was paid.

Getting rid of Houston pissed me off so much. So he could get rid of the previous guys and bring in true leaders like Mathieu and Clark, so they can run there mouths about being leaders and changing the culture of the defense. They suck just as bad. Lots of talking from old Frank and not much producing.

Frank Clark has been garbage all year. Right now the trade looks like a monumental bust. Just Houston pushed their shit in and embarrassed the Chiefs tonight.

Yep I'm over defending this guy, waste of money. I'm on the train

BUT BUT HE WAS DOUBLE TEAMED !!!

You just described Frank Clark, except Justin Houston's contract is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more affordable.

Kpass looks better then him

It's too bad that Dee Ford had that penalty that made him unkeepable cause if even rather have him than Clark right now. I'd the run defense is going to be trash either way at least Ford can rush the later and we would still have a 1st and 2nd round pick.

That's not even true and even if it was at least he could out perform Clark when performing at 25%.

I bought into it too. Turns out it was bullshit. Granted we usually win games where the D holds them to 20

Wow he embarrassed Cam Erving and the 4th down stop Erving didn’t even block him.

Bravo!

Justin Houston’s salary cap number was actually FAR bigger than Frank Clark’s this year, since he wouldn’t agree to restructure (which is why they cut him), so they’d actually have quite a bit less money than they have now.

But they would have the draft picks that they gave up . . . . .

Yup, Ford and Houston haven't done shit all season long. Heck Ford is on the injury report every week over his degenerative knee issue.

Are you describing Clark or Houston? LMAO

I bet Cam Erving would stop Frank Clark though.

HE SETS THE EDGE!

They both have more sacks and pressures than Clark. Are a fraction of the cost

HE HOLDS HIS ASSIGMENTS WHILE SETTING THE EDGE BEING DOUBLE TEAMED YOU IDIOTS

Muh chips

And yet Houston and Ford did as much as Frank Clark in the biggest game of the season last year.

And Houston had to be motivated to make a play. AND Houston has constantly been hurt since he signed his contract.

It’s like your reeruns suddenly forgot this shit.

Is he still being paid by Seattle? He played better after he was hurt. What a steaming pile of overrated shit.

No, he wouldn't take a pay cut. But he WOULD restructure.

I get the vibe that most would be okay if he had more than 1 in 5 games.

But it WOULDN’T have been had he stayed with the Chiefs. His cap number was gonna be over $20 mil. this year and the Chiefs approached him about a restructure and he said ‘no thanks’.

He’s only making $8 mil. this year cause he was released. Had he stayed here he would have continued to waste a roster space for $20 mil. plus, while only playing hard when he felt ‘motivated’ to do so.

If you guys wanna be pissed at Frank Clark because he’s underperforming, fine.
But can we knock off the stupid Justin Houston narrative. It’s inaccurate, for one thing. And all he did was beat ****ing Cam Erving on 2 plays tonight. That’s it.

A typical Justin Houston performance akin to what he had seen the last couple years prior.

And yet they're both more effective than Clark this year. For less money and without costing premium draft picks.

I am not a fan of Clark so far but coming into the game tonight Houston had 1 sack and 3 tackles and Ford has 2 sacks and 2 tackles. Which is pretty much the same as Clark. Ford has a bad knee issue which is probably one of the reasons they decided to trade him.

The chiefs asked him to take a pay cut not a restructure lol. Players take restructured 100% of the time because it's immediate money for them. That's not what Veach wanted Houston to do

Houston made more big plays tonight than Clarks made this entire year

As of now it is a monumental bust. A 1st a 2nd a huge $100M contract....

He was the major offseason acquisition along with Spags

And we would have still had a first and second round pick. I don't know why you guys keep glossing over that part

I was hesitant even 4 games in of nothing to crush him but yeah its over for me....

Dude has been nothing short of a disappointment and a complete disaster of an acquisition considering the $$ and compensation.

Dick Clark would be an upgrade over Frank.

He’s been a huge letdown with the rest of the defense sans Mathieu.

Veach ****ed up with Houston. That's clear.

Houston+First rounder+Second Rounder>Frank Clark

Easily

Well it is just 1 pick since they got a 2nd rounder for Ford. But yeah I don't like the fact that we gave up a 1st rounder but we weren't going to be better with Houston\Ford

The trade was very suspect from the start -- giving up draft picks for the right to pay what you'd pay if they guy was on the open market isn't a sound strategy. Sure, Clark has been a lot worse than we had hoped, but even before the fact, it's hard to justify that trade.

Frank Clark, NPC.

Yeah this trade looks like an absolute disaster.

Veach can’t identify defensive talent

Couldn't really be much worse either. We'd also have had a 1st Rd pick and a 2nd next year.

Edit- forgot about 49er 2nd rd

Yikes.

Doubt is starting to creep in....

But we got worse without them. The pass rushing and run defense has been WORSE this year.

For only being 1 of 2 active defensive linemen that 4th quarter I thought Saunders did a good job

Title of this thread should be "Brett Veach and Andy Reid ****ing Suck."

And then that should be the only post in the thread, and it should be locked.

These guys would both be on the cusp of getting fired if they didn't luck into Mahomes.

Imagine if Alex Smith was still QB of this cluster **** unit.

I don’t even care about letting Houston go. He won’t play that hard again for the rest of his life.

But Clark isn’t earning his keep. That’s the issue.

Ford\Houston was on the field when the Titans ran it down our throats in the playoffs and we don't need to relive the AFC championship game. Once again though I am not defending Clark just this narrative that Houston\Ford are substantially better. They aren't and we witnessed that over a few seasons.

The "Fire Veach" thread is looming. Like a gameday thread, it's just a matter of who makes it.

Starting to wonder if he is the classic let down player who got paid and is fine with it. He was awesome in a contract year last year.

Makes me worried about paying Jones or Ogbah

I'm confused. Do you not see teams STILL running down our throats this season? The run defense has gotten WORSE this year. At least with Ford and Houston the trade off was good/elite pass rush. We don't even have that anymore. You'd have a point if our run defense had improved but it hasn't.

Clark was good pass rusher in Seattle so I am sure they were hoping they wouldn't lose that much but gain significantly in the run game. So far that hasn't happened obviously. I am wondering if they shouldn't have instead went and got Clowney, would have cost alot less for sure.

Agreed. Put ford in most of the time, take him out when you dont want a bone headed mistake. Still produces more than Francis clark.

I really payed attention to Clark this game......blows my mind how off the snap, he makes contact with the lineman, and then stands there.

I dont understand this Frank Clark is some elite run stopper. His last 3 seasons with the Seahawks he had 41, 32, 47 tackles in 18,17,16. Take a look at the elite run stoppers, they will have a high number of tackles. Houston in his prime was a damn good run stopper and had 55-70 tackles a season. We got FC to rush the passer. You don't pay DEs in a 4-3 to stop the run.

Yeah he’s not good. He was probably a product of a really good defensive system in Seattle.

So basically, you never play him.

Disagree. Should have spent the Clark money on the offensive line.

We are on the brink of this being an absolute disaster of a trade. 5 games in and he's been virtually invisible. All the assets we used to get this scrub could be the difference between hoisting a trophy and going home empty-handed this year.

The money and the 1st and 2nd round picks we gave up to acquire him. He hasn't even been close to worth that so far. Seattle made out like bandits on that deal holy shit.

Build through the draft we must

A good guard and a true slot receiver who can beat press man sure would look nice right now.

Yep and we can still bring in good free agents here and there that don't break the bank. We put too many eggs in the Frank Clark basket this season and it's not working out like we'd hoped.

Right because every play is the games on the line. Clark sucks, Fords better. Never thought I'd say that.

Lol stop acting like he wasn't a great pass rusher 17 games last year.

...and we’d have gone to the Super Bowl?

Maybe. All I know is that last year as bad as the defense was, at least we could rush the passer at an elite level. We can't even do that this year. We're bad all the way around.

I'm not sure the number of tackles are a good measuring stick of how good a run stopper an edge rusher is. A lot of other variables out of their control. do agree though, Prime Houston was an absolute monster vs the run. Super underrated part of his game. He's insanely sound, Played every block perfect, and was ****ing dominant at the point of attack, Amazing two gapper. His backside pursuit wrecked a lot of plays as well. It was a real treat to watch how disciplined he was. Funny thing is, he wrecked our 4th and 1 with his backside pursuit.

Clarks really sound too, he's just not nearly as dominant at the Point of attack as Houston was. He couldnt hold a prime Houstons jock strap in terms of Run Defense.

No more trades, Brett. You're ****ing done.

You're not allowed to spend any more draft picks on disaster players. No more trade ups. No nothing.

You ****ing suck.

Take Breeland Speaks, Frank Clark, and any other shitty player you wanted to spend picks on and shove them straight up your ass.

Ptetty much this.

Everyone they bring in sucks.....new coaches, old coaches, doesn't seem to matter. If that's the case just pack it in and give up.