Can we just pleas put mahomes in knee braces on both legs. They aren’t gonna hamper anything.

Hell, if I were to play football again I’d come out in elbow pads, forearm pads, knee braces shin pads, padded gloves on the outside of the hand ect

I remember playing at times not 100% because everytime I made a tackle some ones helmet would hit my shin or when I went to block I’d smash my hand on someone’s helmet.

The one thing I’d lay off of is the over taping of the ankle because the mobility of the ankle prevents some much worse injuries further up the leg.

What is the rush? The schedule is tough, the Patriots have a cakewalk and risking additional injury makes no sense. I've been waiting fifty years for another Super Bowl, I'm willing to wait until things are perfect. Patrick needs to be able to move to be who he is; the best QB off script that we have seen. The offensive line isn't very good and even though he may feel fine, he might not BE fine. Ligament and tendon injuries take time to heal.

Moore looked ****ing awful outside one throw. You’re fooling yourself if you think he’s going to be anything near competent.

this isn't true

he looked good on the RPOs and converted a nice third down to Kelce

zinged a nice one over the middle to D-Rob that drew a PI

you can tell he still has his accuracy and smarts, just needs to get into a rhythm

More reps in practice will make him look better but I agree he’s going to have a uphill battle....
I really think we will be lucky to win one game in 4 with Patty out..

I have no delusions about Moore. But i still remember Andy Reid carrying a Jeff Garcia led team to the playoffs when he could barely throw the ball 20 yards. He's won lots of games with ty and koy detmer, aj Feely, chase Daniel. Matt Moore is as good as most of those guys.

Disagree. The longer he was in, the better and more comfortable he looked. Give this dude time to prepare and he'll be competent. A poor man's Alex Smith if you will, and that might be enough to win 2 of the next 4.

I'm thinking we are finishing 10-6. Which wins the division because its the 2nd worse division in football.

Sure, its going to be a tough path in the playoffs to win on the road twice, but a healthy Mahomes can get it done.

Didn't Andy have a shit backup QB start after 10 days when his ood QB went down. They were playing a good team too. They won. Andy can devise a scheme with that much time to maybe, just maybe get Moore to deliver the ball efficiently. But, if the defense doesn't play like they did against Denver, we are going to lose every game.

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11-5

at.

worst.

And only 2 of those games are away games. Mexico City will likely be more of a home game for us

It will be a home game for us if Mahomes plays.

Have to be 12-4 if we want the 2 seed. Hard to see the Colts or Texans finishing with more than 5 losses

Everyone wants to talk about being a dynasty like the Pats. Can't trade high picks, gotta build thru the draft gotta do this and that.

Well, you wanna be a dynasty? Stop caring so much about the division. The Pats dont' give a shit about their division, they care about getting HFA and getting a bye.

Yup. We can't take shit for granted, every game counts.

And really if Reid was smart enough, we could protect Mahomes if we run a more conservative run more often, quick pass offense with Pat at QB and still be a better offense than with Moore out there.

Yeah, you wouldn't even have to run more. Just run more quick game stuff for Pat with the WR's we have. Go back to the Alex smoke screens and stuff for a while to get him healthy if you want.

I don't give a shit about 10 wins and the division win and a 4 seed. Enough with that bullshit. It's one more playoff game, one more game for someone to get hurt etc.

Win 12, get the 2 seed and go from there.

Buffalo is 5-1 and could easily also go 12-4 with their schedule.

They're in the AFCe with NE, so they don't really matter.

If Baltimore ends up 11-5 too, we have a shot to win that tiebreaker.

The reason they are a dynasty is because Tom Brady has been there for a century. Sorry, I know people want to play best case scenario with mahomes' health. But it is absolutely crazy to think he has this magical healing power and that there isn't some long term reinjury risk in putting him back on the field too soon. The severity of injury and bracing reduces that risk. But it is still a risk. We have also had multiple playoff games where we were told Justin Houston and tamba Hali were healthy, we rushed them back, and they ended up getting reinjured.

Nobody wants to only win the division. Anyone who is focused on the division wants to make absolutely sure we get the best version of mahomes in the playoffs and the rest of his career. Especially with mobility... What if a few extra games gets you a more mobile version of mahomes, and id have to think that's the case especially with that ankle. Would you rather a 75% mahomes and a playoff bye or a much healthier mahomes for 3 playoff games. I'm definitely taking the latter.

If him playing again this year is a risk to the rest of his career, just shut him down for the rest of the season now and look towards next year.

It's ****ing football. People get hurt. They aren't gonna rush him back and put him out there if he could get hurt and miss a large chunk of time or never be the same.

A 75% Mahomes is gonna get a week or two off at the end of the year before the playoffs if you get the bye.

Good grief, we aren't talking about a stinger. We are talking about an ankle sprain that has literally impacted games when he's hit the wrong way. Second half mahomes we saw vs Houston and indy isn't beating new England in the playoffs. You can't tell me a few weeks off doesn't dramatically reduce likelihood of that.

And when we're talking long term injury, we're talking about the known fact that this specific kneecap injury has a risk of dislocating again. Yes, we are accepting that risk, but its common sense that injuries this major will always benefit from time and rehab. Mahomes will more than accept that risk. That doesn't mean we should let him. Our risk tolerance is based on how badly we want to win the next few games. Sorry, but my risk tolerance is incredibly low when it comes to a franchise qb we've waited decades to get.

Also, does anybody really think that mahomes playing 9 more games on an unhealed ankle then getting a bye week is going to heal nearly as well as getting it right now and letting him play the rest of the season on a healthier ankle? I sure don't

Ok, then again, if a high ankle sprain plus a dislocated knee will take a long time to get to 100%, you better go ahead and sit him for the rest of the year and come back next year.

Sit him til after the bye and he comes back 100 percent but the Chiefs are 5-5, you've got issues.

He looked fine playing on an "unhealed" ankle in the first half against the Texans and Colts.

Guys get hurt and play thru shit. If we're gonna not play guys that aren't 100 percent, no one will be playing after week 4.

Sit him the rest of the year from an ankle sprain and dislocated patella that has zero ligament or nerve damage?

Am I reading that right?

What do some of you not understand about no other damage when they describe Mahomes knee cap dislocation. Basically, it's a slight sprain of those ligaments with some swelling. When he's ready he will play. It sounds like that will be sooner rather than later and at no real risk it appears if you listen to the med folks.

I don't want him to. But some seem to want to wrap him in bubble wrap and not put him back out there until he's 100 percent healthy .

If it's such a risk of reinjury, do you guys really think the Chiefs would run him back out there? How dumb do you think they are?

Mahomes is tough as they come. For several games straight he was barely able to play through shit. That tells you a lot about his injury. It's not a stinger. It's the same injury over and over. I don't care if he plays OK with a million pounds of tape around it, if he's only going to re-aggravate it every game. It begins to matter when the most important player on the field can't use his legs and starts throwing passes into the ground.

It's obvious that this injury is due to the same ankle not being 100%. Nobody is saying hold him out a year. Are yiu really telling me that a few weeks won't improve his ankle health and mobility?

So far, this man has done absolutely everything right. Even in crazy pain on the field, he stayed on top of Reiter, kept his leg straight and waited for help. He got all the right information, and he's doing all the right work to feel good on it. If he feels good, he plays. He's earned that.

Nobody is saying 100%. Otherwise people would be screaming for immediate surgery. I don't know anyone who's saying that. At most people are saying up to the bye week and most are saying take the safest timeline burkholder has available which is 3 or 4 weeks.

He's also said he feels good on the ankle and it re-aggravated to the point of badly hurting his performance for 3 straight weeks. I admire the hell out of his toughness. The guy would go out there with a broken neck if it was his choice. That doesn't mean we should let him.

The Chiefs will of course be careful/deliberate with Mahomes' recovery/return to play process, but the idea that Mahomes must be held out long term to avoid further injury to the knee is incorrect.

With no bone break or ligament damage, it is just a matter of recovering from the natural trauma of the joint dislocation (and relocation)... i.e. bruising, swelling, pain, etc.

I do think the Chiefs should be extra-cautious in bringing Mahomes back if it ends being the Chargers game in Mexico City as his first potential game back (questionable field conditions, extremely high altitude for a player who has not played in a month, etc.), but otherwise he should be good to go with minimal risk for re-injury.

We are not getting the 2 seed. Too many tie breakers go against us. the #2 seed was gone the moment Mahomes kneecap went sideways. Doesn't mean the season of dreaming of a Super Bowl is gone, just a little harder path now.

Do I think trainers send players back onto the field knowing there's risk? Of course they do. You have to get them back on the field eventually. It's not a question of what our training staff thinks. It's a question of how much risk mahomes, Reid, and hunt are willing to accept. I'm sure he will be given an aggressive and a cautious timeline. We know mahomes wants aggressive. If I'm Clark and Reid, I wouldn't be so quick to jump on that

you actin' like a little bitch right now

Texans and Colts are in the same division whilst the Bills are in the same division as the Pats. We have a win against the Ravens therefore the only tie-breaker we have to be aware of is the Colts or Texans. Colts still have the Saints, Bucks, Texans, Panthers, Donks and Steelers to play as well as the Titans. Would anyone be surprised to see three or four loses In there? I certainly wouldn't.

Meanwhile the Texans have the Colts again, Pats, Ravens, Titans twice, Donks, Bucks and Jaggs who always give them problems. They will lose games too. We just have to hope we can steal a game or two whilst Pat is out and then we'll be able to know what is needed.

The only teams that can beat mahomes on a healthy ankle are the Pats and the Chiefs. And we can beat the Pats.

As far as we know the last time his ankle got tweaked was in the Texans game. Even if he comes back and plays against the Vikings that's three weeks for the ankle to get better. If three weeks doesn't get it right, it probably won't be 100% all year.

Shoot that knee and ankle full of cortisone, rub some dirt on it, get back out there.

I'm not a doctor, but I play one on Chiefs Planet.

Wasn't Pat's ankle stepped on In both the Colts and Texans games? So is it any surprise he had problems? After the Jags game he went to Oakland and looked fine, dominated the Ravens at Arrowhead and ran the ball 50 yards in the Detroit game. So I think the whole "he's been suffering all year" notion is a way OTT. The times he's had ankle problems are the games his ankle has been hit I.E Jags, Colts and Texans. Every other game he seemed fine to me.

Weird that they haven't ruled Pat out...

Could be Q, but I'll risk it.

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Why do it until you have to?

If he misses a game, he'll have had 2 weeks on that ankle to heal. It's not as if he's just sitting around doing nothing though.

I think you guys are too worried about this shit. If he's healthy enough to play, he needs to play.

They immediately ruled out surgery after the MRI. Where is this coming from that he'll need surgery?

Just want to point out this is literally the opposite of the mindset the Patriots have under Belichick. They give zero shits about HFA or getting a bye in October, or November. You can't win a bye in October, as Belichick has often said. Their one and only focus right now is on the Cleveland Browns. You focus entirely on the opponent in front of you, because that's the only game you can win this week, and then after the division is locked and Only after the division is locked, you see where things stand and start worrying about HFA.

Now that's not to say that we as fans can't focus way far out, but the only 2 questions the Chiefs organization should have in their minds right now would be: 1) What gives us the best chance of winning vs the Packers, and 2) What is in the best long term interest of the team. I can guarantee that since there's no chance of Mahomes coming back this week, they are literally not even considering anything in relation to Mahomes at this time. What would be the point? When he's healthy enough to practice, you put him out in the controlled environment which is practice, see how he responds, and then evaluate from there.

That kind of myopic, day by day focus, ignore those things you can't control and focus on the decisions in front of you Today, That's the way the Patriots have built their dynasty.

The point is you're acting like the cautious crowd is demanding immediate surgery and shelving him or holding out for the year. Nobody is saying that. A few guys at most, with some saying wait until the bye.

No, i'm saying don't hold him out if he's healthy just because you're afraid he'll get hurt again or hurt it worse.

If he's healthy enough to play, play.

And again, he has been "healthy enough to play" all season long. Including doing all the right things with rehab and prep. And yet he re-aggravated the ankle for a few straight weeks. Just because he's healthy enough to play doesn't mean he couldn't be healthier with just a little extra time. **** the idea that we need him to get back at passable health. We need him back in as best of condition we can get him in the least amount of time.

And who exactly makes this determination? I see a lot of words and zero substance to these comments.

There is also zero substance to the idea that mahomes best knows when his body is ready or that because he is cleared to play he is healthy, given that we've been doing that all season long and he kept re-aggravating the ankle injury. Competitors will always be motivated to get back onto the field asap. We have to be smarter about it.

Andy Reid and hunt make that determination. If burkholder tells them 2-4 weeks or whatever, they should determine whether to take the safe or the aggressive side of that. They have to decide if winning now is worth what recovery he could make with an extra week or 2. Getting a passable green light does not mean it's a simple decision to just play him.

And again, if it's a high ankle sprain, that's gonna be a while.

If you hold him out until he's fully healthy, you could be in a situation where you're not a lock to even make the playoffs. If he's not gonna be healthy again for the rest of the season, just shut him down.

The mri showed no additional damage. Therefore the only measures of okayness are swelling and pain or weirdness (I've had my kneecap out, after it is back in, it doesn't hurt for long, then it just feels weird for a while.) The doctor can measure swelling, but for the rest, the doctor is just going to ask him how he feels anyway. The brace for this is also very minimal and will not hurt his mobility.

As for the ankle, if you could get the linemen to stop stepping on him, it wouldn't happen again. His durability is not the problem. Fix the friendly fire problem.

LMAO
I agree with your 11-5 record but then we lose the tie breakers. That doesn’t make me a little bitch, just a realist.

Even if he had a best case scenario, the typical timeline is 3-5 weeks. Matt Stafford had a very similar injury and missed 3 weeks. With 10 day rest that puts him as tentative for the Tennessee game. My vote is still to sit him 2 games, monitor our afc west and afc conference situation, then make a gametime decision for Tennessee. But id rather be on that + side of 3 weeks and let's be real... If hes on the field that soon, it's because we pushed the aggressive timeline.

This sounds like he has no injury at all. He's back next week.

I don't think the issue with the knee is aggravating the injury. It's the risk of reinjury. After the first time there is always risk of it popping out again. And I'd have to imagine that risk goes down the longer you focus on rest and rehab.

I'm sure that's true to some extent, but you'd think a brace would take care of it. This isn't an injury that just randomly happens when you're running down the field - it requires a ton of pressure in exactly the right spot. Yeah, in the future, that amount of pressure might be a little lower than it was before, but it's still pretty fluky.

He good

Yup.

Welcome to the start of Sunday Night Football, this is....

BAHHHHH GAWDDDDD!

THAT'S PATRICK'S MUSIC!

So why have you been babbling nonstop for days about this?

And seriously you have no data that tells you waiting another week makes ANY difference in Mahomes recovery.

When he is ready you play him it is that simple. And BTW Hunt won't be involved in that decision, to think otherwise is pretty comical.

I trust Pat completely 100%...whenever he says he's ready to go, we do it.

Do you even know how football works?

It's like discussing playoff seeding with my wife

It's Zilla. Could be her

He's not going to play Sunday night. I want him too. We all do. But he won't and probably shouldn't.

Promoting Shurmur pretty much confirms that IMO.

Yeah he's not playing this week. Not a big deal to concede this game, honestly.

Don't worry Chiefs fans, Matt Cassell is coming back just for you guys. He will lead your team to victory!!!

Automatic ban

Yeah, it didn't make much sense to me, what the hell?

Should be a ban hammer. :spock:

Do we think he’s available Sunday night?

Like hypothetically, if we find ourselves down 3 with a serious chance to steal the game, do we insert him for the final drive?

No. They activated Shurmur. Mahomes will be out

I don't. Never listen to the player when it comes to injury. The bad asses will try to come back too soon. You have to protect them from themselves.

This.

We have data that shows that mahomes keeps re-aggravating an ankle injury even when trainers and mahomes say he's ready. But yeah, let's blindly trust a competitive as hell qb who would go on the field with a broken neck if he could.

We have data that shows that most similar injuries shelf a player for at least 3 weeks.

We have data that shows we can easily win the afc west even if we shelf him.

We have data that shows multiple times the past few years when we rushed a player back from injury only to get reinjured for the playoffs.

And it isn't data... Its just ****ing common sense that injuries get better with rest and rehab vs putting stress on it.

And you're nuts if you think Clark Hunt is hands off on what to do with the face of the franchise.