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staylor26 04-21-2020 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 14921494)
Here is the real darkhorse......what if Bill Belichick tanks the **** out of this year and starts Jarrett Stidham so he can ride all the way to Trevor Lawrence.
He’s too competitive/arrogant to tank this year while Brady wins.

BryanBusby 04-21-2020 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14921498)
Bears will pivot at QB if Trubisky still sucks. Foles will keep them competitive. Rivera is a damn good coach and a guy who's been in the league a long time, I can't see the Redskins being truly terrible if they can get representative QB play from Haskins.

I've already mentioned that I like Jones and there's a little too much parity in the NFC East for me to think they'll get steamrolled in the division.

1.1 will probably be a 2-3 win team. Panthers seem a possibility w/ an untested (though talented) head coach and a limited Bridgewater. Though the Lions pick is a home run if Stafford isn't fully recovered. They'll suuuuuuuuck.

Ultimately I think the Jags roster is just trash. If I were betting, it would be on them. That's gonna be a strong division from top to bottom. They have very little buy-in throughout the organization. Doug Marrone appears to be on borrowed time. I mean there are just a ton of ingredients for the kind of wholesale implosion you need to get to 1.1.
We'll see, but I'm feeling the Jags end up picking 3 times on Thursday and they can really boost the morale on the roster if they get it right. Just takes one team to look at the edges and like Yannick more than what's available.

Mecca 04-21-2020 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14921522)
He’s too competitive/arrogant to tank this year while Brady wins.
Yea but that's one year.......if he wins a SB without Brady even if it's in 3 years, he'll be the answer to the question of which one was why they won...

staylor26 04-21-2020 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 14921524)
We'll see, but I'm feeling the Jags end up picking 3 times on Thursday and they can really boost the morale on the roster if they get it right. Just takes one team to look at the edges and like Yannick more than what's available.
But if they trade Yannick, they’re going to be worse off for 2020.

That teams not winning many games if all their best players are second year guys and rookies aside from Chark.

staylor26 04-21-2020 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 14921526)
Yea but that's one year.......if he wins a SB without Brady even if it's in 3 years, he'll be the answer to the question of which one was why they won...
I could buy it if they have a rough start and injuries pile up early. Beyond that, I can’t see that being the plan going into the season.

BryanBusby 04-21-2020 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14921530)
But if they trade Yannick, they’re going to be worse off for 2020.

That teams not winning many games if all their best players are second year guys and rookies aside from Chark.
I never said they're going to win many games. But if they can get some pieces in place I think they can have an end of season surge like the Dolphins last year and miss out on the sweeps.

Mecca 04-21-2020 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14921530)
But if they trade Yannick, they’re going to be worse off for 2020.

That teams not winning many games if all their best players are second year guys and rookies aside from Chark.
Yannick isn't playing there so they have to do something with him.

DJ's left nut 04-21-2020 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 14921511)
Matt Ryan was pretty good but never that good. Neither was Romo.

Prospects like Burrow don’t come along very often.
Matt Ryan won an MVP. And to prove it was no accident, he had a season in 2018 that was arguably BETTER than his MVP season with a new coaching staff and lesser weapons.

I think where we differ is not in our view of Luck, but in our view of Matt Ryan.

Matt Ryan was a Kyle Shanahan brainfart away from going to the Hall of Fame. Hell, he might STILL end up in the Hall. There aren't 30 QBs in NFL history who have had better careers than Ryan has had. And he probably has 3-5 good years left.

If I said "Burrows will have Phil Simms career" just about anyone would take that. Matt Ryan wouldn't wipe his ass with Phil Simms career.

Ryan's DAMN good.

staylor26 04-21-2020 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 14921532)
I never said they're going to win many games. But if they can get some pieces in place I think they can have an end of season surge like the Dolphins last year and miss out on the sweeps.
Possibly, but a bad/young roster is doomed with no TC.

BryanBusby 04-21-2020 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14921537)
Possibly, but a bad/young roster is doomed with no TC.
Possibly, but I don't think a season happens at all without some form of TC

Mecca 04-21-2020 03:36 PM
You all have convinced me the Patriots are getting Trevor Lawrence, I hate you all, thank you.

DJ's left nut 04-21-2020 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 14921540)
Possibly, but I don't think a season happens at all without some form of TC
Agreed.

The NFLPA won't allow it.

HAHAHAHAHA!!!! Jesus, what am I saying - why would the NFLPA ever be able to get their act together long enough to not get rolled over again?

staylor26 04-21-2020 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 14921541)
You all have convinced me the Patriots are getting Trevor Lawrence, I hate you all, thank you.
I think it’s WAY more likely that Tua falls and they trade up for him.

BryanBusby 04-21-2020 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14921543)
Agreed.

The NFLPA won't allow it.

HAHAHAHAHA!!!! Jesus, what am I saying - why would the NFLPA ever be able to get their act together long enough to not get rolled over again?
LMAO

Accurate, but I think even the league is aware enough to know that they will lose all sorts of stars this season if they go from pornhub training to real game speed on a dime.

Mecca 04-21-2020 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14921546)
I think it’s WAY more likely that Tua falls and they trade up for him.
I think Tua is going to Miami, to me is significantly better than Herbert.

I have this thought NE may drop out of the 1st and take Jake Fromm.

DJ's left nut 04-21-2020 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14921546)
I think it’s WAY more likely that Tua falls and they trade up for him.
'Phins go after Herbert in that scenario?

Miami has to come away from this with a QB, right? They're sporting more draft capital than I've ever seen. I'm sure someone's topped it in the past, but I don't recall it.

BryanBusby 04-21-2020 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 14921553)
I think Tua is going to Miami, to me is significantly better than Herbert.

I have this thought NE may drop out of the 1st and take Jake Fromm.
Agreed on the first part and while I think NE would like to do the 2nd half, they're not going to get the bites.

Mecca 04-21-2020 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14921555)
'Phins go after Herbert in that scenario?

Miami has to come away from this with a QB, right? They're sporting more draft capital than I've ever seen. I'm sure someone's topped it in the past, but I don't recall it.
There was that year the Jets had 4 1's.

staylor26 04-21-2020 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14921555)
'Phins go after Herbert in that scenario?

Miami has to come away from this with a QB, right? They're sporting more draft capital than I've ever seen. I'm sure someone's topped it in the past, but I don't recall it.
There’s A LOT of smoke that they might just go positional player and make a move for Love.

I personally think they take Tua, but Albert Breer said nobody he’s talked to thinks it’s going to happen.

DJ's left nut 04-21-2020 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 14921553)
I think Tua is going to Miami, to me is significantly better than Herbert.

I have this thought NE may drop out of the 1st and take Jake Fromm.
That would be just a big enough '**** you' from BB for me to believe it.

"Tom Brady - pft, I'll just make a new one..."

Well he can't very well get credit for building a new Brady if he starts w/ the best QB prospect in a decade.

Mecca 04-21-2020 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 14921556)
Agreed on the first part and while I think NE would like to do the 2nd half, they're not going to get the bites.
I said this before, I think Miami goes to 3 and takes Tua, I think Herbert slides and ends up with the Raiders. Chargers stay put and take Jedrick Wills, Chargers trade their second round pick + other picks to NE for thier 1 and take Jordan Love, NE takes Jake Fromm with the high second.

That's my call for now.

Shields68 04-21-2020 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14921517)
Bill Belichick is a Machiavellian sociopath. I don't think he worries about his reputation beyond how he can elevate it. If he eats shit for a year and never recovers, he's still the guy who's won more championships than any coach in history.

But if you told him he could tank a single season and set himself up for another 10 year run where he could 'prove' once and for all that it was him, not Brady, that made everything work?

I think he'd take that deal in a heartbeat.
I don't see him taking the deal. First it would be not Tom but another great QB. So that really does not work. Sure you won with Brady/Lawerence.

Second he is all about the team and doing it his way. He has something to prove. He failed in Cleveland, did not do well before Brady came, did pretty good with Cassell and fill ins when Brady was out later in his career. I think he is thinking division and playoffs.

BryanBusby 04-21-2020 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 14921565)
I said this before, I think Miami goes to 3 and takes Tua, I think Herbert slides and ends up with the Raiders. Chargers stay put and take Jedrick Wills, Chargers trade their second round pick + other picks to NE for thier 1 and take Jordan Love, NE takes Jake Fromm with the high second.

That's my call for now.
I think they stand still and the Chargers will simply take the last QB left. Flores is in that Saban and Belichick love triangle and I think they're simply throwing the Chargers off the trail with the Herbert talk. They want Tua, but not enough to trade up for him.

They need those assets. As for the Chargers, they want someone more careful with the football after years of Phillip Rivers going all Phillip Rivers at the worst possible moment. I don't think Love is going to be a strong like there.

Mecca 04-21-2020 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 14921572)
I think they stand still and the Chargers will simply take the last QB left. Flores is in that Saban and Belichick love triangle and I think they're simply throwing the Chargers off the trail with the Herbert talk. They want Tua, but not enough to trade up for him.

They need those assets.
Maybe but then you run the risk of the Chargers swapping out with Gettleman, since the giants are going OT.

DJ's left nut 04-21-2020 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14921563)
There’s A LOT of smoke that they might just go positional player and make a move for Love.
I'll be honest - I'd feel compelled to root for them if they did.

That's balls or bust all the way. You're gonna need a top 10 QB at worst to sneak past Mahomes (and that presumes your roster is better than his). I don't think Love will ever be that guy, but he does have the physical tools to develop at that level.

But the weird thing about this draft, as deep as it is, I don't see a slam dunk pick at 5. Maybe Andrew Thomas? I'm not a Simmons stan (or at least I don't see him as being an obvious top 5 guy). Jeudy and Lamb aren't top 5 guys, are they?

I mean if Young and Okudah are off the board, who's the obvious pick at 5?

staylor26 04-21-2020 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 14921575)
Maybe but then you run the risk of the Chargers swapping out with Gettleman, since the giants are going OT.
I don’t think think anybody wants to have to give up extra picks to take a risk on Tua.

All the draft guys are saying no trades at 3/4 is more likely than not.

BryanBusby 04-21-2020 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 14921575)
Maybe but then you run the risk of the Chargers swapping out with Gettleman, since the giants are going OT.
Sure. Tua isn't a can't miss prospect.

Mecca 04-21-2020 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14921576)
I'll be honest - I'd feel compelled to root for them if they did.

That's balls or bust all the way. You're gonna need a top 10 QB at worst to sneak past Mahomes (and that presumes your roster is better than his). I don't think Love will ever be that guy, but he does have the physical tools to develop at that level.

But the weird thing about this draft, as deep as it is, I don't see a slam dunk pick at 5. Maybe Andrew Thomas? I'm not a Simmons stan (or at least I don't see him as being an obvious top 5 guy). Jeudy and Lamb aren't top 5 guys, are they?

I mean if Young and Okudah are off the board, who's the obvious pick at 5?
For Miami?

It's Thomas if it's not a QB. Maybe Brown, or Wills if you like him more than Thomas.

Mecca 04-21-2020 03:49 PM
To be very real with you guys, I don't think Detroit is taking Okudah, if you value CB that high why trade Slay?

I think Simmons or Darrick Brown are much more realistic picks there.

staylor26 04-21-2020 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14921576)
I'll be honest - I'd feel compelled to root for them if they did.

That's balls or bust all the way. You're gonna need a top 10 QB at worst to sneak past Mahomes (and that presumes your roster is better than his). I don't think Love will ever be that guy, but he does have the physical tools to develop at that level.

But the weird thing about this draft, as deep as it is, I don't see a slam dunk pick at 5. Maybe Andrew Thomas? I'm not a Simmons stan (or at least I don't see him as being an obvious top 5 guy). Jeudy and Lamb aren't top 5 guys, are they?

I mean if Young and Okudah are off the board, who's the obvious pick at 5?
It would probably have to be the top OT on their board.

BryanBusby 04-21-2020 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 14921582)
To be very real with you guys, I don't think Detroit is taking Okudah, if you value CB that high why trade Slay?

I think Simmons or Darrick Brown are much more realistic picks there.
I agree. I think they're locked in on Derrick Brown.

Mecca 04-21-2020 03:53 PM
I think Simmons is going to end up in some odd place no one really is mocking him too, Carolina, Arizona...

Also I'm 99.9 sure that Cleveland is trading out of their pick.

DJ's left nut 04-21-2020 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 14921586)
I agree. I think they're locked in on Derrick Brown.
Blech.

Brown is not Aaron Donald. Is he even Deforest Buckner?

I see more of a Grady Jarrett type - big, powerful man to be sure. A guy that can definitely anchor your interior. But...to what effect? He's not much of a pass-rushing threat.

I mean I guess if you can get Jurrell Casey you're probably gonna be better off than a lot of teams end up, but that seems like you're setting the bar pretty low from the start.

Maybe I'm just not being fair to Brown. I think he's being viewed through a 2010 decision lens by many (maybe 2000). He's more of a run defender in a league that's going heavy on the pass.

Shields68 04-21-2020 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14921578)
I don’t think think anybody wants to have to give up extra picks to take a risk on Tua.

All the draft guys are saying no trades at 3/4 is more likely than not.
Guess if I was Detroit, I would be just wanting one of Miami's 2nds to move up. Which is a cheap price to pay to be able to guarantee drafting the QB that you want. I mean which ever QB they take your already betting 3-4 years of the franchise on. Surely they do not want to lose the top QB. Unless it is Love then it will be an interesting draft at the top.

Further anything Detroit gets from Miami is probably gravy.

VAGOMO 4 LIFE! 04-21-2020 04:01 PM
You think HB is telling Veach he should drafts a LSU player. Either Delpit, Fulton or Queen?

Mecca 04-21-2020 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14921601)
Blech.

Brown is not Aaron Donald. Is he even Deforest Buckner?

I see more of a Grady Jarrett type - big, powerful man to be sure. A guy that can definitely anchor your interior. But...to what effect? He's not much of a pass-rushing threat.

I mean I guess if you can get Jurrell Casey you're probably gonna be better off than a lot of teams end up, but that seems like you're setting the bar pretty low from the start.

Maybe I'm just not being fair to Brown. I think he's being viewed through a 2010 decision lens by many (maybe 2000). He's more of a run defender in a league that's going heavy on the pass.
He's a really safe prospect for a DT, he has a hell of a motor and he sheds pretty well. He won't go any lower than 7.

DJ's left nut 04-21-2020 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 14921582)
To be very real with you guys, I don't think Detroit is taking Okudah, if you value CB that high why trade Slay?

I think Simmons or Darrick Brown are much more realistic picks there.
Because Slay was expensive, wanted more and was getting pissed off at the organization.

If Kinlaw fell, would you be shocked to see the 49ers use the pick they got for Buckner on Kinlaw? I wouldn't - a 1 for 1 replacement (ideally) that costs a lot less.

I think Detroit would be silly to pass on Okudah. Then again, the NFC North isn't exactly a murderers row at QB or WR. Even Rodgers has become little more than a rich man's Alex Smith. Man he was weird to watch last year.

Mecca 04-21-2020 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Shields68 (Post 14921606)
Guess if I was Detroit, I would be just wanting one of Miami's 2nds to move up. Which is a cheap price to pay to be able to guarantee drafting the QB that you want. I mean which ever QB they take your already betting 3-4 years of the franchise on. Surely they do not want to lose the QB they plan on taking.
Even though I don't think Tua is a slam dunk prospect, I'd take him 10 out of 10 times over Herbert, Herbert physically looks like Trevor Lawrence and then plays like Derek Carr.

Mecca 04-21-2020 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14921609)
Because Slay was expensive, wanted more and was getting pissed off at the organization.

If Kinlaw fell, would you be shocked to see the 49ers use the pick they got for Buckner on Kinlaw? I wouldn't - a 1 for 1 replacement (ideally) that costs a lot less.

I think Detroit would be silly to pass on Okudah. Then again, the NFC North isn't exactly a murderers row at QB or WR. Even Rodgers has become little more than a rich man's Alex Smith. Man he was weird to watch last year.
The 49ers are acting like they want out of their picks so I dunno, Kinlaw is a weird prospect if you buy into the injury shit he could fall, or he could go as high as 9.

DJ's left nut 04-21-2020 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 14921611)
Even though I don't think Tua is a slam dunk prospect, I'd take him 10 out of 10 times over Herbert, Herbert physically looks like Trevor Lawrence and then plays like Derek Carr.
Ouch.

I mean...not wrong. Just a brutally backhanded takedown.

BryanBusby 04-21-2020 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14921601)
Blech.

Brown is not Aaron Donald. Is he even Deforest Buckner?

I see more of a Grady Jarrett type - big, powerful man to be sure. A guy that can definitely anchor your interior. But...to what effect? He's not much of a pass-rushing threat.

I mean I guess if you can get Jurrell Casey you're probably gonna be better off than a lot of teams end up, but that seems like you're setting the bar pretty low from the start.

Maybe I'm just not being fair to Brown. I think he's being viewed through a 2010 decision lens by many (maybe 2000). He's more of a run defender in a league that's going heavy on the pass.
He's a space eater which is what they need to run that antiquated Defense. I think he provides a bit more than Grady Jarrett, but it's more of not ****ing up the #3 overall pick. He's a pretty safe choice.

DJ's left nut 04-21-2020 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 14921615)
He's a space eater which is what they need to run that antiquated Defense. I think he provides a bit more than Grady Jarrett, but it's more of not ****ing up the #3 overall pick. He's a pretty safe choice.
{has Tyson Jackson flashbacks....}

I mean seriously - is this not EXACTLY what we heard about Jackson? Safe pick, anchor to the Patriots style 3-4, maybe a little early but you're gonna ensure you get a good player...blahblahblah

I'm not saying he'll be Jackson, but the same arguments apply against that thought process. Taking a guy at a position that's less critical because he's safer is a fine idea for a team picking in the 20s.

But if you're in the top 5 you just proper suck and 'safe' ain't gonna do anything for you.

Shields68 04-21-2020 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 14921611)
Even though I don't think Tua is a slam dunk prospect, I'd take him 10 out of 10 times over Herbert, Herbert physically looks like Trevor Lawrence and then plays like Derek Carr.
Seems to be a lot of chatter that they like Herbert. Which probably just smoke screen for them really wanting Tua. But with 5 picks in the first two rounds not sure why they don't move up unless Detroit wants multiple ones, then yeah I guess I would sit at 5 and let it play out. Because I don't see the Chargers paying that. They might be happy with a LT.

Mecca 04-21-2020 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14921623)
{has Tyson Jackson flashbacks....}

I mean seriously - is this not EXACTLY what we heard about Jackson? Safe pick, anchor to the Patriots style 3-4, maybe a little early but you're gonna ensure you get a good player...blahblahblah

I'm not saying he'll be Jackson, but the same arguments apply against that thought process. Taking a guy at a position that's less critical because he's safer is a fine idea for a team picking in the 20s.

But if you're in the top 5 you just proper suck and 'safe' ain't gonna do anything for you.
Well he isn't that kind of reach, Carolina is his floor for where he's picked. Just lots of power there, he doesn't have Kinlaws pash rush upside though but he also has way less bust upside.

Mecca 04-21-2020 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Shields68 (Post 14921629)
Seems to be a lot of chatter that they like Herbert. Which probably just smoke screen for them really wanting Tua. But with 5 picks in the first two rounds not sure why they don't move up unless Detroit wants multiple ones, then yeah I guess I would sit at 5 and let it play out. Because I don't see the Chargers paying that. They might be happy with a LT.
The Chargers can't really go into a season with Tyrod Taylor at QB....

Shields68 04-21-2020 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 14921634)
The Chargers can't really go into a season with Tyrod Taylor at QB....
You would think but Lynn just might... They sort of have a win now team. Not sure either of the top QB's are ready to take a team to the playoffs next year.

Maybe once the dust settles some they bring Cam in and work him out. To see if he is able to run like the old Cam.

Easy 6 04-21-2020 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 14921634)
The Chargers can't really go into a season with Tyrod Taylor at QB....
I’d bet he starts the season, but as soon as he loses consecutive games Lynn will yank him for whichever young hotshot they pick

The Franchise 04-21-2020 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 14921634)
The Chargers can't really go into a season with Tyrod Taylor at QB....
He did put up 3000 yards and more than 20 TDs the last time he was a starter with Lynn. I could see it...

Mecca 04-21-2020 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 14921660)
He did put up 3000 yards and more than 20 TDs the last time he was a starter with Lynn. I could see it...
Well that is just another wasted year and year closer to them either losing or paying a ton of talented players, good luck.

DJ's left nut 04-21-2020 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 14921660)
He did put up 3000 yards and more than 20 TDs the last time he was a starter with Lynn. I could see it...
He's a wholly adequate placeholder. A distributor, so to speak.

He won't take much off the table. They won't win anything of note with him, but they won't lose 12 games either.

He was a .500 quarterback w/ less talent around him in Buffalo than he'll have in SD. He'll be in a tougher division so that may take some starch out him, but they could win anywhere from 6 to 10 games with him, IMO.

He's a watered down Alex Smith, so a slightly lower floor and slightly lower ceiling, but pretty steady.

VAGOMO 4 LIFE! 04-21-2020 04:33 PM
I think we’re set on TE. We got Kelce and possibly Tony G coming back plus Seals Jones.

DJ's left nut 04-21-2020 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 14921663)
Well that is just another wasted year and year closer to them either losing or paying a ton of talented players, good luck.
Apart from Cam recapturing his old form, there aren't any options that are likely to raise their ceiling in 2020. Maybe Jameis but I understand why they'd be wary of bringing on a more extreme version of the guy they just moved on from (though I'd chance it, personally - he's their only real shot at being truly relevant next season).

DJ's left nut 04-21-2020 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE! (Post 14921669)
I think we’re set on TE. We got Kelce and possibly Tony G coming back plus Seals Jones.
Why - we're probably in pretty good shape at QB as well.

:shrug::rolleyes:

VAGOMO 4 LIFE! 04-21-2020 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14921677)
Why - we're probably in pretty good shape at QB as well.

:shrug::rolleyes:
Eh need a solid backup. I don’t trust Henne. Wish Moore was back

O.city 04-21-2020 04:55 PM
I think the quick passing game hurt brown as a pass rusher

He seems like a fletcher cox type player to me

DaneMcCloud 04-21-2020 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Warrick (Post 14921323)
The Chiefs are not picking up a RB in the first round, Dane.
Speculation

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Originally Posted by Warrick (Post 14921323)
Simmons will go in the top ten, and part of the reason I like him so much is he is a Swiss Army knife of a player, and yes he does create match up problems for the opposing team, which also keeps coordinators up late at night.
No one said Simmons wasn't a Top Ten pick. But if he's stuck at one position like CB, teams will likely avoid him if his play continues to excel in the NFL.

That's not a matchup problem and you have NO idea where he'll end up. If he goes to Cleveland, who's to say they don't turn over their coaching staff and GM in 2021?


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Originally Posted by Warrick (Post 14921323)
Also, I like Clemson... Why not have your favorite player on your favorite college team play for your favorite NFL team? I know Chase is a beast, and he'd be the right pick, but for me I'm taking my boy Simmons, and there's nothing you can say to convince me otherwise heh.
And that's why you're a dipshit with your rep turned off.

DaneMcCloud 04-21-2020 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 14921384)
To me Lawrence is the best prospect of them all, I think he's the best prospect since Luck.
Yet LSU's defense made him mortal while Burrow's offense carved up the Clemson defense.

I think Lawrence is going to be an extremely successful QB but Burrow's earned the right to be the top pick in the 2020 draft.

That said, he is going to Cincinnati so he may never experience NFL success.

DaneMcCloud 04-21-2020 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 14921487)
If you have Joe Burrow and your competition is Trevor Lawrence you probably lose.
Save for the 2020 National Championship game

staylor26 04-21-2020 05:28 PM
The thing about Burrow is he was really good under pressure. That’s another reason why I buy into him having a high floor.

He has all of those things that make a really good NFL good. He just doesn’t have enough to be an elite one.

staylor26 04-21-2020 05:30 PM
I personally think Trevor Lawrence is still being a tad bit overrated. He was a little bit of a disappointment this year from a pro evaluation standpoint. He could be the best since Luck, but I don’t think he’s on that level at the same time.

DaneMcCloud 04-21-2020 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 14921634)
The Chargers can't really go into a season with Tyrod Taylor at QB....
Sure they can, especially if they want to get into the Trevor Lawrence sweepstakes

DaneMcCloud 04-21-2020 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14921786)
I personally think Trevor Lawrence is still being a tad bit overrated. He was a little bit of a disappointment this year from a pro evaluation standpoint. He could be the best since Luck, but I don’t think he’s on that level at the same time.
I didn't watch Clemson much, if at all, during the regular season so I was shocked to see him struggle against LSU in the National Championship game, especially after he spanked Alabama's defense the year prior.

staylor26 04-21-2020 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 14921791)
I didn't watch Clemson much, if at all, during the regular season so I was shocked to see him struggle against LSU in the National Championship game, especially after he spanked Alabama's defense the year prior.
Yea he showed some toughness in that game, but it wasn’t a very good game for him overall.

I don’t think he’s in another league from Watson. He’s probably a little better, but I think people go a little overboard with him.

I like both him and Burrow though and fully agree that they’re #1 overall caliber QB’s. Murray was too.

Baker on the other hand?

RunKC 04-21-2020 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14921783)
The thing about Burrow is he was really good under pressure. That’s another reason why I buy into him having a high floor.

He has all of those things that make a really good NFL good. He just doesn’t have enough to be an elite one.
Burrow is so ****ing smart, accurate and poised that he could succeed in Cincy. I think that’s the difference between Burrow and Matt Ryan. Ryan needs a system. I think Burrow could look very good with an average coach like Luck did with Pagano.

staylor26 04-21-2020 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 14921809)
Burrow is so ****ing smart, accurate and poised that he could succeed in Cincy. I think that’s the difference between Burrow and Matt Ryan. Ryan needs a system. I think Burrow could look very good with an average coach like Luck did with Pagano.
Ehh kind of disagree here. His college career says the complete opposite. He needed Joe Brady to make that HUGE leap. I highly doubt that changes when he goes up a level in a worse situation than he had in college.

I think he’ll at least be a good QB even in a bad situation, but I could easily see him having a wasted career like Stafford if the Bengals continue being the Bengals.

Lucky for him, I think the Bengals, at least offensively, are in a better situation than people give them credit for so he should be alright.

RunKC 04-21-2020 05:47 PM
Also if you are an AJ Terrell fan you might just want to skip the National Championship game.

Burrow roasted his ass on a spit fire. Just embarrassed that guy like it was nothing

BryanBusby 04-21-2020 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14921623)
{has Tyson Jackson flashbacks....}

I mean seriously - is this not EXACTLY what we heard about Jackson? Safe pick, anchor to the Patriots style 3-4, maybe a little early but you're gonna ensure you get a good player...blahblahblah

I'm not saying he'll be Jackson, but the same arguments apply against that thought process. Taking a guy at a position that's less critical because he's safer is a fine idea for a team picking in the 20s.

But if you're in the top 5 you just proper suck and 'safe' ain't gonna do anything for you.
Not quite. I think Brown actually has earned the top 5 slot.

Tyson Jackson was a fringe first rounder at best that Pioli went full reerun on.

Brown made that Auburn front click while Jackson was just a body surrounded by first round talent.
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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 14921819)
Also if you are an AJ Terrell fan you might just want to skip the National Championship game.

Burrow roasted his ass on a spit fire. Just embarrassed that guy like it was nothing
You wouldn't want to draft anyone from any opponents they faced in 2019 with a bar like that.

Terrell was left on an island a lot against a QB that knew how to anticipate throw really well. He was ****ed from the start

staylor26 04-21-2020 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 14921819)
Also if you are an AJ Terrell fan you might just want to skip the National Championship game.

Burrow roasted his ass on a spit fire. Just embarrassed that guy like it was nothing
Not a fan of Terrell. He’s got length and speed, but other than that there’s not much there that gets me excited when I actually watch him. I think he’d be better suited playing for a team like the Jags and 49ers that play more cover 3.

Hoping the Raiders take him at 19.

staylor26 04-21-2020 05:52 PM
Yea I’m not seeing any comparison between Jackson and Brown.

Brown was a truly dominant force this year like Suh at Nebraska.

cripple creek 04-21-2020 05:54 PM
swift

MahomesMagic 04-21-2020 06:06 PM
Can Veach hire Louis Riddick?!

They are already friends and this guy was explaining why Jeudy is the top WR on ESPN and why Ruggs is not.

It seems like many NFL teams keep forgetting to scout separation and Riddick gets it.

BryanBusby 04-21-2020 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14921827)
Yea I’m not seeing any comparison between Jackson and Brown.

Brown was a truly dominant force this year like Suh at Nebraska.
When you watched that front play, you wondered how the **** that secondary couldn't have been a lot better.

I think it's something that I would look at when considering Noah Igbinoghene.

Pitt Gorilla 04-21-2020 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 14921847)
Can Veach hire Louis Riddick?!

They are already friends and this guy was explaining why Jeudy is the top WR on ESPN and why Ruggs is not.

It seems like many NFL teams keep forgetting to scout separation and Riddick gets it.
I’d love riddick on staff.

staylor26 04-21-2020 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 14921861)
When you watched that front play, you wondered how the **** that secondary couldn't have been a lot better.

I think it's something that I would look at when considering Noah Igbinoghene.
I personally love Noah. For a guy still learning the position, he looked really good in coverage against LSU/Bama. I don’t know about Davis and the rest of their secondary, but Igbinoghene definitely wasn’t the problem.

Honestly, I don’t think there’s a corner with more upside outside of the top 2. He has all the talent in the world.

Mecca 04-21-2020 06:21 PM
I don't think anyone thinks Ruggs is a better receiver than Jeudy, it's just the way the Chiefs play offense is pushing speed up boards.

cripple creek 04-21-2020 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by HayWire (Post 14909823)
I didn't look into the story to much to see if it was clickbait but didn't he just have an issue with his drug test?
a diluted sample was th jist of that story.

VAGOMO 4 LIFE! 04-21-2020 06:35 PM
Riddick wants to be a GM

Stryker 04-21-2020 06:43 PM
Is there a possibility to trade for the 31st pick from SF? would that help us? Just curious. Imagine Ruiz and another player? What would it cost us? Is it worth it? Thoughts

Stryker 04-21-2020 06:45 PM
If so, grab Diggs and Dobbins or Diggs and Ruiz? Hmmm

BryanBusby 04-21-2020 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14921870)
I personally love Noah. For a guy still learning the position, he looked really good in coverage against LSU/Bama. I don’t know about Davis and the rest of their secondary, but Igbinoghene definitely wasn’t the problem.

Honestly, I don’t think there’s a corner with more upside outside of the top 2. He has all the talent in the world.
I don't know. I think if I were drafting for upside I would go with Diggs if he happens to fall to the Chiefs 2nd round slot.


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