Holy shit.........

Just HOLY SHIT...............

This has to be the most reeruned take I've ever seen.

I doubt it.

Running a phat back when you have an elite passing attack makes a lot of sense. Imagine a Bettis or Larry Johnson running for us now. Teams have to go nickel to stop Mahomes and co then those DB's get all beat up by a physical back.

I think it's the perfect combo...

That or ignore. Much easier.

I would generally classify myself as a stat nerd, but the way some of them approach the RB position makes me embarrassed to be one.

Yes, there are multiple ways to find value at the RB spot. Yes, the passing game is more explosive and threatening, especially when you have a great QB and receiving unit.

But sometimes you need something more consistent and predictable than a pass play - to extend drives. You need balance to keep the defense from manipulating the matchup in its own favor. You need to be able to run to shorten games when you have a lead. You

Bettis and Larry Johnson weren't a threat in the passing game for shit. You cant be a one dimensional back in this offense.

Arguably the most important drive of the Championship game against the Titans was when Andy salted the 3rd quarter away with that 7 and a half minute 13 play drive to take a 28-17 lead in the 4th quarter. The Chiefs ran the ball on 10 of the 13 plays on that drive with Damien Williams picking up key first downs with tough running on multiple third and shorts.

When I re-watched the game with Romo's commentary. He pointed out how the Titans had 100% sold out to cover the pass and weren’t adjusting their D when Andy started running the ball. Romo said the Titans were too worried to adjust to the run despite Williams effectiveness in the 3rd. Romo wondered if Andy would stick to the run if the Titans didn't adjust to it, and to Andy's credit - he stuck to it. He never abandoned the run against the 49ers either.

With how critical the run was in the last two games of the season I'm amazed people are undervaluing the run and CEH this much - and if CEH proves to be an elite back who never fumbles, good luck to any defense at that point. Sell out against the pass? Andy will gas your defense by pounding the rock for 5-6 yards a carry. The 49ers D had been on the field by over 70 plays (29 of those runs) in the Super Bowl and it showed on the last Chiefs touchdown run.

One of the more surprising aspects of the 2019-2020 playoffs was that Andy showed he was willing to win with the run. The Titans and 49ers sold out completely to take away Patrick's deep options and limit big plays - if that becomes the "safest" bet against the Chiefs, that's where CEH could take over games. It's not as exciting as winning with the deep ball and putting up 50 points, but a 31-17 win with a more Vermeil like elite offense is still a win regardless.

As great as our offense was Reid flat out didn't trust our running game in the regular season. Problem solved. And unlike hunt this guy can line up anywhere at receiver. Unlike Damien we can use him all year long for 3 downs. And Damien is no guarantee to stay after this year anyway.

Kareem wasn't a generational talent. But there's no doubt our offense while great was missing something last year.

Don't know how anyone can dislike this pick other than being a contrarian.

That was really brilliant by Andy. Not only did it take advantage of the Titans D - it burned a ton of clock and kept our defense from getting worn down against Henry. I was so happy at the time we were running the ball - shorten the game.

Some of yall forget how unstoppable this offense was with Kareem Hunt.

Not to take anything away from Damien Williams, but an elite RB will make this offense God-like.

Plus...who's RB once/if Williams goes down to injury again? DWash, Darrell Williams, Darwin??? C'mon...this team's window is now, and can't afford to skip any beats with an inj to a starting RB. When Williams was out, this team had issues running the football. CEH solves this problem immediately.

And remember...Kareem Hunt was a large part of reason why Mahomes was so dominant in 2018. Need a refresher, go watch highlights from that season for the first 11 wks.

This guy has the capability to be a franchise back. And IMO, I think by late season, he'll be the focal RB of this offense heading into post season. 2020 is also Damien Williams last season before becoming a UFA. And I doubt the Chiefs re-sign the guy unless it's for peanuts, especially if CEH explodes onto the scene.

This was an excellent pick given the #selection.

And by shortening the game against a team that needs to run to be explosive offensively, you make it harder for them to do what they do best.

Interestingly, Andy was heavily criticized for in his 2017 matchup against the Titans and his 2013 matchup with the Colts for refusing to call a drive like this in the 2nd half of those games. Kareem had only 5 carries in the second half of that 2017 matchup and the Chiefs ran the ball 7 total times in the second half of the 28 point collapse against the Colts.

Andy's three biggest critiques going into 2018 is that he rarely took chances on 4th down, his refusal to run the ball, and his clock management.

God if he didn't ball out on all three of those in the playoffs. Andy's willingness to improve as a coach deserves all of the praise this season. When it comes to 4th and short, part of me wonders if Andy legitimately defers to his quarterback. He had the field goal unit prepared both for the 1st TD drive against the Titans and the Niners in the playoffs but eventually the offense took the field. On both of those games mic'd ups, you had Patrick yelling for his helmet (lol) and getting his offense back on the field - which Andy rolled with 100%. It makes me wonder if he always would have trusted his QB in that way had they shown that type of confidence.

If utilized properly and if healthy, CEH has the potential to have a HOF career.

I think we're pretty much putting him in the HOF at this point. Only question is will he go first ballot or not?

I don't even feel guilty about it.

I feel like our biggest weakness was our ability to let teams keep Pat off the field. The longer Pat is on the field, the more likely it is we will win. Simple as that.

Drafting a RB like this, along with a mauler OT, along with two speedy corners, a stout DE for the rotation, and an absolute physical beast like Gay...

It all adds up to one thing. Time of possession will go up in our favor, which will equate to more wins.

CEH was about keeping the offense on the field by not letting defenses play us one dimensionally.

Gay was about getting the defense off the field by not letting teams run the ball over and over.

KC is going to be better this year than they were last year.

Rushing: 613 yards, 7 TD’s
Receiving: 432 yards, 4 TD’s

That was Brian Westbrook’s 2nd year in Andy’s offense when he the starter instead of a complimentary player.

95 tackles, 7 TFL, 2 sacks, 5 passes defended, 2 forced fumbles

That was DJ’s first year stats as a rookie.

I think CEH and Gay Jr can match that as rookies. Now think about that being added to a Super Bowl Champion squad returning 20/22 starters?

We'll either be SB LV champs or still SB LIV champs

Clyde said with his first paycheck he’s gonna buy some land since he’s an outdoorsman. Looking at real estate and investment opportunities as well. This guy is so smart, he also called Mahomes a hall of Famer. He’s gonna fit right in!

11 TDs for a rookie who's looking to start the season as a backup is a bit wishful, I think.

If there's a Spencer Ware/Kareem Hunt situation where he's thrust into the starting role then I could see it happening.. this offense is just so friendly to RBs.

Mahomes is throwing over 50TDs this year if it's a full season.

Book it.

Lol LeSean McCoy had 5 last year on 129 touches.

11 is hardly wishful thinking. Reid didn’t finally draft a RB in the 1st not to use him a ton on a team that’s ready to win now.

There’s a reason he’s an early favorite for OROY.

Kareem Hunt became the unquestioned bell cow his rookie season after that performance in NE and he only had 11 TDs.

With a shortened offseason, CEH is likely to start the season #2 on the depth chart. Even if he earns a heavier work load, D Will is going to eat into his snap count.

The only chance he has is if he is the short yardage back from the start. Given how hard he runs there might be a chance. I am guessing the Chiefs will not do a lot of QB sneaks during the regular season.

This team scores a lot more points than the Alex Smith team did....

It doesn't score that many more points. He's a backup and he's a rookie.

If he does contribute that much, it probably means that D Will went down for a large portion of the season or sapho is right and Pat goes nuclear and throws 50+ TDs again.

Yeah that’s no shit, the next QB sneak we run better be to win the Super Bowl or never run it again

1. You’re talking about a much different offense with fewer opportunities.

2. This is clearly under the assumption of a full season.

3. I don’t care where he starts the season at. He will get a shit load of touches either way.

4. Like I just said an you chose to ignore, the corpse of LeSean McCoyy had 5 TD’s last year. CEH doubling that isn’t “wishful thinking”.

Damian Williams will pull a hammy in TC, in comes Helaire and never looks back.

We're talking about a starting RB who's seemingly never healthy.

If you don't think the Chiefs will do all they can to get CEH on the field as early as possible you're smoking crack. CEH WILL be the OROY.

I remember having a similar argument with Virus about Tyreek having a significant impact his rookie year after he tore up TC.

Dude has no ****ing foresight with this kind of shit LMAO

Let me break out my crystal ball:

1. If Damian Williams gets injured at any point in TC, it's over. Helaire will take 1st team reps and be your week 1 starter.

2. If Damian manages to stay healthy, he'll be supplanted by week 4.

3. CEH will EAT underneath. His vision, agility and balance will keep the chains moving on short yardage situations and he'll rival Kelce as Mahomes' favorite "oh shit" option. He'll destroy shallow fronts and his quickness and spin moves will have him on NFL Network highlight reels. He has that ****ing juke that legit breaks ankles and we have a coach who knows how to get a back in open space. It's almost impossible for this kid to not be productive.

4. We're the goddamn SB champs. The Chiefs will be plastered all over primetime so the whole nation will see CEH breaking ankles.

5. The Chiefs will be a playoff team and favorites out of the AFC to repeat, so the team will be highly successful.

All of that combined = favorite for OROY. Shoe-in, even.

Yea CEH and Burrow are easily the early favorites.

I predict Damien will remain the starter, but the ratio of DW touches to CEH touches will creep from 2-1 at the start of the season - to closer to 50-50 if CEH performs.

Reid likes to showcase players who can then go get paid somewhere else. D Williams will obviously be motivated to go along with that.

Except Burrow won't be playing in the AFCCG, won't be on primetime nearly as often, won't be in the playoffs, doesn't have much of a supporting cast and doesn't have Andy Reid AND he'll make substantially more mistakes. RB is a much easier position have early success with than QB.

If i were a betting man i'd put my money on CEH.

Burrow or Tua will probably win OROTY seeing that they are in situations with quality surrounding talent.

I could see Dobbins as the dark horse with how much Baltimore runs the ball

Even if Damien stays healthy, he's woefully ineffective in short yardage running situations. If CEH pops off playmaking ability early, g'night Damien. And i like Damien. A San Diego native.

whaat?

Depends on when camps open up. Not sure any of them are starters out of the gate without a normal training camp.

Tua?

He’s not even going to start day 1. They will be very careful with him.

Dobbins doesn’t have a shot unless Mark Ingram gets hurt. He literally needs to be the starter to put up that kind of production. CEH doesn’t because of what he can do in the passing game.

Swift and Taylor have a better shot than him.

A do all running back is exactly what we needed. If he's like a mini Kareem Hunt, there is no stopping this offense, Not that there was anyway. If you call plays correctly and not over utilize the run on 1st down and in correct down and yardage it makes it impossible for the defense.

Dobbins has to share the ball with two other RBs and his QB. He isn’t winning shit.

And Tua isn’t a starter.

Burrow is favorite at +250. That's a really solid return for the most likely winner. QB + first overall pick + day 1 starter. He'll have visibility and more opportunity than any other player.

After that, I think Ceedee Lamb is another good bet. He's at +1500 and Dallas has Cooper and Zeke to draw defenses. If CeeDee Lamb has Mecole Hardman like production where he has few opportunities but they go for scores, he's gonna be HEAVY in the voting, purely due to Dallas bias. Solid bet.

CEH is at +800, which is another really really good bet. If you think he has a 33% chance of winning and the payoff is 8x your bet, that's just a good intersection of likelihood and profit.

Also, a super dark horse is Cam Akers. Jared Goff doesn't work as a QB without playaction, so I'm guessing they use the SHIT out of Akers. He's currently at +2000. I'd take a flier on that, for sure.

If Burrow goes down to injury, ALL of these payoffs are going to plummet.

Veach seemed pretty adamant that CEH would be a key factor in getting more yards from first down runs that were blocked up. Good first down backs who are also good receivers out of the backfield seems like a #1 RB to me.

The ideal scenario would be to have 2 backs that ball out ending in another SB and Williams getting a nice payday elsewhere to get us a pick.

Which season will CEH have this year?
Obviously we all want him to have the 2nd one but I have a feeling it will be more like the 4th.

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If he’s healthy, I doubt Tua sits on the bench for very long

Then he’ll be right back on it because that young OL is not going to be able to protect him early on.

All indications are the Dolphins will be extremely careful and are in no rush.

Unless Fitz gets hurt early in the season, I doubt Tua will play until after at least week 8 at the earliest. And that would only be if Ryan is just terrible. No way MIA takes any chances with his hip; I'd bet that the organization doesn't want him out there until next season.

With Andy Reid, there’s no ****ing way CEH has only 3.7 YPC. No. Freaking. Way.

LeSean McCoy was pretty productive last season, as was D Will. You'd have to combine them to reach the numbers projected here.

I don't think it's likely that CEH gets 200+ carries and 50+ catches if D Will is healthy.

Which one are you expecting?

Burrow isn't shit. Look at all of the god damn talent that man had on his college squad, on both sides of the ball.

No different than Matt Leinart.

In other words, the anti-Raven offense. Keep Lamar and company on the sidelines and force him to pass when he comes into the games. Since the Ravens' offense is predicated on grinding out the clock against you, if you flip the tables, they're not really built to get into a match passing TD for passing TD with Mahomes.

Yes. Lamar had a lot of TD passes last year, but that's because teams had to sell out against the run, leaving backs/TEs open. If you can run on the Ravens, you flip the scenario and I'm not sure Lamar's really ready for that yet.

He will have 1038 Yards Rushing 4.8 YPC and around 450 Yard Receiving

Sounds about right to me. 1500 or so combined yards.

The more I read up on this kid the more I like the pick. Yeah, he's going to put up some decent personal stats, but he's going to open up the offense for others. Watch Hill have an incredible years as teams will not be able to man up and shade coverage his way.

Love that we have a GM and HC that are playing chess instead of checkers.

People...this is not hard. There will be no shared backfield. CEH is your day one starter and he is going to absolutely FLOURISH in this offense. Pay attention to the below tells. This guy isnt coming in here to play behind or share a backfield with Damien Williams. DWill will spell CEH for a handful of touches a game.

1.) CEH is the only back Andy Reid has EVER drafted in the first round.
2.)Mahomes hand picked this dude.
3.) Reid came right out and said CEH is better than Westbrook (fringe HOF back).
4.) Veach all but tossed Williams under the bus with his comment regarding "we were tired of getting a gain of two on first down when everything was blocked up. CEH will turn that into a gain of 7-8 and put Pat in 2nd and short. I dont know how a defense stops that."

CEH makes this offense so much more explosive and you better damn well believe Reid and Veach are counting down the days to showcase their new toy.

Also going into a shitty situation. I would bet the house against him winning it.

Why would you want year 2?

I'd take year 3 anytime: less carries and yet more ypc (+more tds); it would mean the guy isn't getting worn down as much and since you aren't relying on him carrying the lions share of the offense, it also means other parts of the offense is firing on all cylinders.

Shitty situation?

Dude has AJ Green, Tyler Boyd, Tee Higgins, and Joe Mixon as his weapons to go with an improved OL inserting a top pick form last year at LT.

It’s far from a “shitty situation”.

Here are the players & their first year in the NFL.

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30th in offense with those guys Adding an aging Green doesnt do much and through a crap shoot at headcoach.

Ill bet you whatever you want he isnt the OROY

They aren’t just adding Green. They’re adding Burrow, Higgins, and last year 1st round pick who missed all of last year (Jonah Williams).

Had our rookie draft today. I drew the first pick and took Clyde the Glide.

Big upgrade to the RB position. When Damian got hurt it was a struggle.

and no OTA's and maybe a weird training camp with a really complex offense.

He's going to play plenty, but I doubt he's day one starter snaps type of thing.

I expect he'll have packages from the get-go, but I doubt he's got the whole offense day one.

Prime ROY candidate.

I think by 3rd qtr of the season CEH is the main back.

He'll end up playing his way onto the field.

Veach said today with Florio that he and Reid have texted with Damien. Veach made it clear tho that Damien is the starter and CEH is the backup heading into the season

I see a lot of Marshall Faulk in Edwards game. Vision, jukes, NASTY spin move, WR routes... I cant wait!

That's Andy. He will keep Damien as starter until CEH has taken over so many of the carries that he can no longer fake it.

Reid can list Damien as the starter all he wants, he’ll be putting CEH in there early and often.

Hunt only played until Ware went down with an injury. Expect CEH to get half the reps. Damien will be in on third down because he’s a great blocker.

Hunt was a 3rd round pick, not a 1st...

He didn't say that Williams is the starter..just texted him to let him know that they were takng an RB...no way they are using a 1st round pick on a "back up" my friend :evil:

Think this move could help Kelce long term. He is the go to guy for short passes and defenses know it. He can beat double coverage and catch in traffic of course but dude takes some shots. A few times last year I really worried for him. He’s a tough SOB but you can’t do that forever. Having another serious short pass threat will take the heat off Travis and 1) mean he will take less big shots from LBs teeing off on him and 2) get him 1 on 1 where we know he can get huge YAC

Another bonus of signing this guy

Eh If you listen to it again Veach days Damien is the starter. Now what Reid does is up to him

This guy will take over. Williams is holding it for now.