Come on, man.

Why do people get SO emotional about the offensive line discussion?

I'm not being intentionally dishonest. I'm sincerely trying to understand where you are coming from.

If your argument is that you're throwing numbers at it to improve your chances of success, that's fine.

I still don't agree but at least I now know why you're advocating it.

That's exactly it.

I think everybody is overly burnt from the SB. It bothered me for 2 or 3 days but I'm over it.

It isn't going to happen again, so I'm not sure why everybody is so emotional about this offensive line.

I mean, this is becoming like the QB discussion during the Smith years. It's the OFFENSIVE LINE for God's sake. We have MAHOMES.

It will get worked out, it's not going to be perfect but nothing ever is. We've got as close to perfection at QB though and that's going to be enough 9 times out of 10.

For all the talk about how bad our offensive line was against the Bucs....

We had Fisher and Schwartz and still had blocking issues against the 49ers. So no....offensive line doesn’t solve everything.

I think a big part of the problem is that everybody just assumes that in a discussion like this, pointing out potential flaws in someone's argument is seen as an attempt to create a "gotcha" moment.

That's social media in a nutshell. I get it, people (including me) have been doing it for 20 years here.

But that doesn't mean that every aspect of a discussion is an attempt at leverage or looking for a way to make somebody look foolish.

Everybody needs to take a step back, take a deep breath, and look at this logically.

Sorry Chris. I wasn't trying AT ALL to piss you off. There's no reason to leave, you contribute way too much to the discussion and even though I don't necessarily agree with every idea you have, I appreciate the depth of knowledge and thought you put into them.

We need more quality football posts here and you're a big part of that.

The only way I'd bring sammy back is league minimum and he plays just enough snaps in the regular season to keep him in football shape and then he can play full games in the post season. Shit even then he'd likely get hurt, so yeah what's the point of bringing him back.

God damn man. Nobody needs to leave over this shit in ****ing February. Literally everyone is just guessing at this point.

See ya!

Why not?

The shifting around on top of that jacked everything up.

How many rookie offensive linemen has Reid started in the past?

Yeah that was just a stupid terrible no good game plan by the coaches. Should have just left Remmers at RT and figured out what to do at LT.

You think they're going to draft TWO offensive tackles and start them both?

Doesn't seem very realistic.

Yep.

He started Fisher, Morse, and Fulton.

Maybe not two, but at the very least one. But I could see two depending on how FA shakes out.

I’m with Pest on our needs. C, DE and WR have to be addressed, though with Sammy likely coming back and a quality prospect in Callaway being signed as a possible Robinson replacement, they might hold off on a receiver until later.

We already got a tackle from a deep class last year and they appear to be really excited by Niang’s potential, so I don’t see them drafting a tackle unless they legitimately see one at 31 that could be a capable starting LT.

With this class it could be a possibility. Not likely, but possible.

We desperately need a badass at C though. That helps protect Patrick from A gap pressure and also helps us run the ball better with Clyde. Remember all those times we struggled with 3rd and short? A badass C goes a long way to fixing that problem, which we saw with Morse.

Get Britt and Osemele on the practice squad in case last year happens again. That’s about the best contingency plan you can make.

They aren’t starting Niang and another rookie at the T spots, and I think Niang starting at RT is very likely.

And yea, Reid has started rookies on the OL a couple times, but he’s never started a rookie at LT. If you think he’s going to start 2 as his bookends, you’re out of your mind.

I don't think it's very likely.

I think them drafting a center is more likely than drafting a tackle.

For better or worse, I think they're going to commit to Fisher.

We need them to give Fisher ALL the stem cells.

Umm I said Niang starting at RT is very likely, not drafting a T.

I know. I'm agreeing with you. ;)

After pretty-much the worst loss in SB history, it's going to be a very long offseason.

Clearly the OL has to be the #1 topic to get right and have depth, let's hope the Chiefs agree. Next, if they do agree, how much will they gamble on not "going crazy in the FA market and the draft" and count on Fish coming back, and dealing with the two opt-out O-linemen. All of those things are a gamble, but we'll see.

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They don't need a badass C in the first round as we are drafting one in the 3rd with Quinn Meinerz.

http://https://thedraftnetwork.com/a...ackground-prep

Good ****ing God no. Just sign Watkins back at that rate.

Sorry but I gotta disagree.

I wouldn't bring Watkins back at any price.

Over the past 3 seasons.

Watkins: 34 games, 129 receptions, 1613 yards, 8 touchdowns.

Wilson: 20 games, 69 receptions, 742 yards, 5 touchdowns.

The correct answer is bring neither of them back but Wilson is significantly more worthless than Watkins.

Well yeah, that goes without saying. :D

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/c...his-offseason/

Don’t believe this.. Lip service... I hope..

Teicher wrote this....

rrrrrrr.

I've got a lot going on. A ton of stress.

Yeah, I think if you don't have money to throw at a gaping hole in your line-up then you need to throw some draft capital and you really should back that up with a veteran stop-gap that you could survive with if it all goes sideways.

I know everybody's all enamored with playmakers; we've got 3; Hill and Kelce will be your top two receivers for the near future no matter what else you do. CEH with a full year in the system and an actual TC and pre-season of some sort will further develop.

The formula to beat KC is not to run the ball and keep Mahomes on the sideline; that's always been bullshit.

The formula is a strong front four to pressure, 7 in coverage and Mahomes doesn't have time to do Mahomes things.

Even if Fisher comes back as early as mid-season, there's no guarantee he'll be 100%.
Schwartz is unlikely at all; counting on that is like counting on Watkins at this point.

And we're way over the cap. this isn't like last year; we're a long way from being able to do anything significant in free agency.

So yes, I think your odds of being okay are better if you throw numbers at the problem since we can't throw dollars at it.

I would consider it a huge success if next off-season we have the luxury of having too many good offensive tackles and have to trade one. If that's the case, we'll be polishing a second SB trophy.

We're not going to lose because we didn't have enough weapons.

Out situation with our tackles is just killer, but the doomsday reaction to the Super Bowl is overblown. Unlike most, I'm not ready to simply write off Schwartz. This is his first season with any sort of injury like this, and we all act like he's washed up and done at age 32. What's even more crazy is that solution to our injured tackles is to sign some older vets as a stop gap - 39 year old Jason Peters is the most popular name here.

Schwartz has started every game, every season since coming into the league in 2012, but he has one injury and he's done? Injury settlement! Retire you brokedick mother****er! I just don't see it. By the time next season rolls around, Schwartz will have had almost a full year to rehab his back issue. That's a good thing. Heck, some of you think Fisher will be back but not Schwarts to play next season. What the hell?

With Niang, who you have all off season to work with, you pencil him in at LT, especially if Schwartz, who is under contract, is ready to play. I expect that we bring Remmers back to be a backup, or insurance incase Schwartz can't go.

The real problem along the line how I see it is at center. I would prefer a long term solution, and while signing FA Corey Linsley would fix the problem, I would love to see if Veach could swing a trade for James Daniels, who will be a FA next season. Perfect candidate to acquire and give a contract extension. Adding a younger player who can anchor the offensive line for years to come is a hell of a lot more attractive to me than signing some vet in his mid to late 30s and hoping that he stay healthy.

It would also allow a little more freedom in the draft to grab a guard or tackle in the middle rounds to develop to either deal with the departure of one of our tackles of LDT.

What evidence are you seeing that Niang is a LT in this offense?

I like everything that was said here, especially concerning the centers. I would love to see Linsley or especially Daniels at center next year.

We know nothing about Schwartzs back injury.. Disk? Muscle? Would hate to be held hostage by a Day to day thing in training camp just to find out he can’t play..
I really hope he’s healthy next year but it would be irresponsible not to plan for him not being there or sidelined at some point in the season..

Evidence? LOL

Look, I realize that we was a right tackle in college. I'm not suggesting that he's the answer at LT, but if you want to do something that rolls out the best the best 5 offensive linemen you need to see what the kid has to offer. Maybe he can hold the fort down for a month or two until Fisher returns. But I agree, with those pound on the table her and say that the Chiefs are never going to start a three rookies on the line at the same time. Which is why we need to be exploring trades.

Right, we don't know anything, but the team surely does.

Fans are going to point to the Super Bowl and say "no way" but I wonder how the coaches feel about Remmers at LT as a stop-gap until Fisher comes back. They might actually prefer running him out there to start the season over any rookie LT that's going to be there at 31 for us to draft.

It could be that coaches blame most - certainly not ALL, but most - of the o-line issues on chemistry and communication. I think that might be the case, especially on the left side of the line. These guys had basically never played together, as a unit, and in those spots before. Remmers played well enough at RT to get us to the Super Bowl, and he's played LT before on a different team in the Super Bowl. Wylie was a disaster all around and should never play Tackle again, but they might feel Remmers has a shot to be a serviceable LT with enough preparation and chemistry building.

I refuse to go back and watch the game, but I recall Wylie getting completely dominated in his one-on-one matchups. Remmers seemed to hold up better in one-on-ones but Tampa's stunts caused problems everywhere. That's on communication and feel as much as it is athletic ability.

Scouting reports.

He's got plus athleticism. He played RT at TCU but part of that was because of the offense they run.

They all sucked equally...

He was a right tackle in college because of scheme and fit (they already had a LT).

He has the athleticism to play LT in the NFL.

Uh no. Watkins is more worthless. Wilson was not in an amazing offense with the best QB on the planet and other excellent weapons.

Wilson isn’t great but he’s been available at least 13 games in every season but 1.

Watkins is always in the ****ing ice tub

The one game Wilson played with Mahomes earned him a nice free agent deal with Miami. He would be an upgrade to Robinson and is more cost effective than Watkins.

I’d take him back for a low risk deal.

DAT used to break his cleats when he was here... In training camp..

JFC time to move on from Watkins.

The Super Bowl disproved the offense is better with Watkins narrative.

And if the excuse is that he wasn’t 100%/returning from injury... that’s his constant brokedick state of existence.

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Watkins needs to play practically for free to remain on the roster. We can rely on him to be healthy. He has like 2-3 good games in the regular season (max) and wasn’t effective when we needed him this year.

We need more reliable, consistent weapons.

Hitchens was really good this year and so was Wilson. Our LBs aren’t the weak spot anymore. We just need some that can pass defend

If you take out Sammy’s one awesome game vs the Jags and compare it to the rest of his regular season stats, you’ll see a JAG that deserves nothing more than vet minimum.

Yep.

With Gay coming in, they're only going to be better next year.

He isn't even worth vet minimum. We need guys that can suit up. I'd rather have Robinson back at this point.

Sportrac market value tool has Reiter projected to get an $11 million AAV contract LMAO

Yeah. Just find another athletic veteran version of him in FA to be the backup C and draft one.

This is an excellent C class in terms of depth. We’ll have the opportunity to get a good one in the 2nd rd.

Yep.

I personally like Humphrey.

That's fair. I didn't see many TCU games. Why did the Chiefs draft him as a guard (which is what happened IIRC)?

If we’re bringing back Sammy then we probably aren’t going to be taking a receiver until the mid rounds.

This guy is also worlds better than Robinson’s dumbass. Easy replacement for him.

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If he can keep away from failed drug tests and not be a suspension waiting to happen.

Yeah, I’m not banking on this guy figuring it out now.

Talented, yes, but I’ll pass.

They didn't draft him as a guard.

Veach said they wanted to start him out on the inside and work from there. They saw him as a developmental prospect and with Fisher and Schwartz entrenched at the time, it made sense.

Niang gave Chase Young his toughest battle in his college career. Straight from Young’s mouth and supported by tape.

All that needs said. He’s a high-end OT prospect that only got taken in round 3 because of a surgery.

I really wish we knew if they took him as Fishers eventual replacement or Schwartz.

Why does it even matter? I'm sure the Chiefs knew they were only going to be able to extend one of them, so they drafted a guy with upside. At this point, I'd see how he does at LT, because if he's a fit there, its like they won the lottery.

I could be wrong but at the time Niang was drafted I think the plan was likely to move away from LDT after this season and slide Niang into that RG spot. After the 2021/2022 season perhaps move away from Schwartz and push Niang out to RT? We will never know obviously with the LDT opt out and Schwartz injury.

But when the line kicked it’s blocking up a notch, we destroyed them in the 4th quarter.

I think this is a false narrative, unfortunately. Hitchens was improved, but still wasn’t a good linebacker this year. I think he’s below average still and his replacement should be drafted. Soon.

That’s coming from a Hawkeye fan that advocated for signing Hitchens before he was a free agent leaving Dallas.
They redid Schwartz’ deal a couple times the last few years for short term extensions. I think they knew his back was beginning to have problems and so did Mitchell. I won’t be surprised if he drops a bunch of weight after he retires to help the back issues.

The team has never not showed full commitment to Eric Fisher up till this point, but this injury and his age may cheange that. We’ll see. A smart long term move would be to draft a center and an OT early in the draft to give Pat a STUD OL he can work behind to lessen the amounts of hits he takes.

They will add up and he’s already fought through a few injuries we got lucky on. If they spent a 2+3 on the OL, this has a chance to be a special OL.

They have no business drafting LB's for anything other than depth. Hitchens is just fine for what this team needs.

They're not going to draft a center and a tackle high, especially not with Fisher's situation.

You'll probably see one or the other but not both.

Agreed. I’m sure we’ll take one for depth and STs. If a first round talent falls to us and is the BPA, then I’d be all for it though.

Absolutely no need to reach for one.

Very few LB's are ever first round talents, even the ones taken in the first round.

It's just not worth the draft capital unless you're in the top 10-15 and getting a rare prospect.

Petro was talking today about the Chiefs flipping a mid round pick for Ertz. I didn’t hear the whole conversation, so I’m not sure if there is any smoke or just throwing ideas out.

Trading for a TE to pair with Kelce. Interesting. Would signal a possible change to more 12 personnel, which would change our blocking a bit.

You definitely don’t get the bang for your buck out of that position anymore.

I’m okay with it if it’s purely a BPA pick. I hate it if they reach to fill a need (which isn’t really a need anyway) though.

How many players that were RT, and only played on the right side, in college ever successfully switch to LT in the pros?
I bet it is not many.

His thought was basically that Reid uses 2 TEs even when the second one is garbage. This gives the Chiefs exclusive rights to pick up Ertz on a 1-year $8 million deal. We probably won’t find a deal better than that in FA nor would we draft a better player in the mid rounds to win today.

I kinda like the idea.

FYI

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2...olts-seahawks/

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...-ertz-and-more

Right now, it looks like all the discussions of Ertz deal with using him in a package to get rid of Wentz.

Ertz is always injured. We don't need another player that is only playing for part of half a season especially for 1 year $8M. **** that

TE is a tough spot to fill out cause on one hand you need a TE2 who can block primarily, but you also need a viable backup for what Kelce does.

And I know, no replacing Kelce at all. But you need a guy cut from that same cloth who can run routes from varied alignments. I really think that’s what RSJ was here for in 2020. To be that guy in an emergency scenario.

If a guy like Parsons or Collins falls to our pick, they have to be in the conversation for our first. Gay is set to take over the weak side spot and Parsons/Collins project to strong side and middle.

It all depends on who falls.

I don't know about the trade, but I've been hoping for a TE2 for forever.

He's fine so I don't think replacing him is a priority.... But a starting MLB only only plays 55% of snaps is pretty terrible.