Gruden could do a podcast where he does not talk about football and just complains about political shit the whole time.

I loathe doing it but I gotta give Snyder credit for not having an email address. Makes me think of a drug dealer using a disposable burner phone LMAO

Criminals know how to do crime.

Keep in mind Snyder dicked over his brother too. So I'm sure he's walking in guns blazing.

Good for Gruden.

Chucky vs. The Man.

We all knew it had to end this way.

Meanwhile, I foresee a movie.

Or, at a minimum, an HBO special and a Netflix series.

FAX

I wonder how Andy feels about this lawsuit? Torn between his buddy and his suit NFL bosses….

Does Gruden not need a motive for his law suit? Why would the NFL ruin him on purpose? To make him the scape goat in a bigger mess? To send a message? Is that the motive they will use in the court filing?

Goodell,

Grudges man, Gruden hated him

Are you asking if a civil suit requires a specific assertion of motive like you hear about in criminal investigations? No, . . . just acts, a requisite level of purpose or knowledge, and damage to the plaintiff.

If you are asking more informally, will Gruden have to prove some negligent or intentional act of the defendant to prevail at trial. Likely, but the form and nature will depend on the complaint alleged, and doesn't have to be proven until said trial.

Hard Knocks: The Jon Gruden Chronicles.

Imo this gets settled relatively quickly, the direction early motions go will decide the number of zeros involved.

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This regardless of a settlement he is going get the Pete Rose treatment.

It's personal. Goodell and Gruden do not like each other... And one can sue anyone for any reason...One may not win, but one can do it.

For Gruden's emails to be the only ones leaked from an investigation of millions of emails, it is clearly a hatchet job on the guy who called Goodell a pu#sy.

While I was ready for Gruden to be gone as he had maxed out his ceiling as round 2 Raiders coach, I hope Gruden pulls out all the dirty laundry with his lawsuit.

All of this really is making the NFL look not so good.

Just another log pulled out of the Jenga stack.

I'm already losing interest in the games; it become more about the betting than the actual game.

Nice timing Gruden sue crew. Primetime games, Monday night and Thanksgiving against the Cowboys

I was all for getting Pete Rose into the HoF because I didn't see how betting on his team to win wronged the game, he served his time and he was starting to get talked about with reinstatement... and then it turned out he was a pedophile too... **** that guy.

Grudens case is a bit different in that he called some people bad names in private emails. Naughty boy!

Those emails werent even sent when he was working in the NFL and the timing of their leaks is highly suspicious. The first one to leak was the Dumboriss Smith one and it turns out he was at that time up for a vote to keep his job. What better way to ensure your votes than by leaking an email that social media and news networks are going to run all over the news claiming he was just racially attacked? He kept his job by 1 vote. So now the NFL is dealing with a coach thats getting blasted all over the news for being a racist and they cant do anything about it because he wasn't an employee at the time, so they're just going to keep leaking emails until the Raiders cave and fire him for them. The investigation was into the Redskins and the only one punished is a dude that had nothing to do with that team and wasn't employed by the NFL at the time. Nothing to see here.

From my understanding on Pete Rose would bet on his team on Monday and Tuesday but not Wednesday so that the bookies would figure the Reds would lose Wednesday and then he would know what pitchers sat and could bet on Thursday but still make money on losing Wednesday from the bookies. It's kinda like that NBA ref that told the bookies in the MOB what the refs would call fouls in big games and figure out who was going to win. Pete Rose basically manipulated the betting in his favor and there is a big rule in MLB for players not to bet on games.

The comparison to the NBA ref isn't even remotely the same, imo. If Pete Rose bet on his team to win when he had his best pitchers on the mound thats not fixing anything, thats just smart. The NBA ref working with the mob telling them who is getting fouled is fixing games.

That's it. Thats the part I forgot. The Goodell pussy remark. Now it makes sense. Roger said **** you bitch ass trick. Call me a pussy and pay the price asshole.

Except that he was overthrowing his best pitchers and basically conceding games he didn't bet on by throwing all his junk out there. What he did wasn't smart. It was meant to hide that he was truly gambling on the game. The "Pete rose only bet on his team to win" baloney lots of people bring up is falling right into his trap.

I guess that puts Rose in the unique position of being the only manager in history to overthrow his best pitchers.

Good, I hope he wins.
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Um, what? He threw Mario Soto on 3 days rest 19 times a year. That's almost criminal. And he always threw his worst starter in games he didn't bet on and then replaced him with his worst reliever, even when the games were close. Bill gullickson was his go to when he didn't bet on games. He killed Sotos career to make a few extra bucks.

Yeah, that's highly unusual to manage this way. Every game he didnt bet on, it was clear he made the least amount of effort to win. Blatantly. So he can save all his best arms for the games he did bet on.

Quick look at Mario Soto... yup, pitching more innings prior to Pete Rose taking over. Started 33 games in Rose's first year, no more than your typical ace starter today. Pitched 237.1 innings, not even top 10 for a pitcher back then. Didn't even make top 10 in innings pitched the next season when he started 36 games, tied for 9th in games started. Your argument for Pete Rose killing Mario Soto is dumb as ****. He didn't start an abnormal amount of games and his innings weren't even an extreme high for that time.

And you act like there aren't rotations in a pitching staff. Like Rose just decided hes going to lose this game so he's putting his worst pitcher on the mound and its not just his spot in the rotation to start.

Look at this career and tell me all about how Pete Rose criminally detroyed Mario Soto's career. https://www.baseball-reference.com/p...lylebe01.shtml

100% this..

I hope he burns the whole mother****er down.


They will settle to keep things secret, though.

No way this gets to discovery. The league will settle before that happens.

So your only evidence is statistics? Again, he pitched on 3 days rest 19 times. That includes the second to last game of the season where NOTHING was on the line. The innings you posted do NOT include long stints where sotos arm was so worn out he needed 10 days rest.

And once again, it isnt just about pitching the bottom of your rotation sometimes. It was also using a 10+ ERA bullpen guy every time rose didn't bet on a game. Even when the game was close. That's highly unusual. No manager is going to consistently use your worst relievers in a close game in late innings. There is nothing about Sotos usage that is even remotely normal.

It'd be one thing to roll with what you've got and try. He rolled his team over to die when he wasn't betting on them. And if you don't think there isnt an enormous implication for what signal that sends to the gambling network... How much more blatant can you get that he managed around his gambling strategy.

There is nothing abnormal about his usage for the time. Do you think a pitcher is tied for 9th in starts and not even top 10 in innings pitched because hes being used more often than anyone else? Soto wasnt even the most used pitcher on the ****ing team, Tom Browning was. Rick Mahler started on 3 days rest 27 times in 1985 if I'm not mistaken.

Stop trying to compare todays game to the mid 80's.

I'm trying to remember anything Goddell has ever done that I viewed in a positive light, and coming up with nothing. He's just a giant ****ing douche.

this is going to get ugly-very ugly

He handed Mahomes his first Chiefs gear. That's about all I've got.

My how opinions change... couldn’t imagine this when Chucky directed the bus driver to do laps around Arrowhead last year.

He’a an first class a-hole. I hope he gets what’s coming to him.

Why?

What do you mean? Exposing that rich men in the NFL like girly pics and don't wanna be around gay men? Is this some secret?

I am glad to hear Gruden has sued since I suspect what Snyder has done is worse especially considering they were done when he owned the Redskins and he hasn't been pressured to sell his team. What Gruden said was private and a former black player backed him up when he said the rubber tire reference was something he said when he thought someone was lying. The comments in question was when he wasn't even working in the NFL. Many NFL/NCAA/high school coaches just like Gruden. If he said things complimentary of a black coach/executive or some halfway in the closet gay player from the past, I don't those comments linked since whoever leaked his emails had a clear agenda.

Good luck to proving who leaked them and the NFL doing so on purpose just because Roger got called a pussy.

NFL is worth how much money? So they torpedo Gruden for what? The emails make them look bad. Why would want to look bad? They were leaked for cure buy not by the league.

I'm not going to thread swerve so I'll leave it at this. He was blatantly putting no effort into winning games he didn't bet on. Especially with bullpen decisions. He abused Sotos arm even in meaningless games and if that isnt obvious, then consider that the next season he would watch Sotos form, if he didn't like it he wouldn't bet, oh... And then he'd start him anyway.

Because Goodell and Snyder have been bulletproof despite being complete incompetent pieces of shit. I don't think it's a stretch to say that between baseball and football, we have two of the worst commissioners of all time.

I'm not a chucky fan, but personal emails should remain personal, this isn't the government with sunshine laws, it's a private organization and they have confidentiality and privacy laws to follow.

LMAO

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I'm not sure who I think is right in this.

**** the nfl

There you go.

Ehhh.... I really enjoy seeing Gruden suffer.

I'll allow it.