Our DBs did a phenomenal job against the top receiver trio in the AFCCG. If they play like that again, and considering they will have Sneed this go round, Philly is going to have a rough time passing the ball.

My concern is their run game. We absolutely cannot allow the Eagles to chew up yardage on the ground. We need to stack the box, which will leave McDuffie and Sneed on an island, but they have proven themselves to be top tier corners... they should be just fine. Gotta stuff that run, grab a lead, extend it, then blitz like maniacs (unleash Spags) :D

Man...Makes you wonder why more teams aren't racking up 70 plus sacks in the last 36 or so years if it was that easy.

I visited an Eagles thread on this game and it’s like something from 25 years. Lots of posts with just run the ball and defense wins championships. Sorry Eagles fans but Hurts is going to need more than 120 yards to win. Anything less than 175 yards is a double digit Chiefs victory.

Defense can win championships... when they aren't facing a Patrick Mahomes led offense w/ a healthy OL.

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I dunno if this is a repost, but if so IDC. Love this dude.

Btw ignore the stupid headline, no trash talk here.

Line hanging tough at 1.5

Which is right up Spags alley. He leans towards shutting down the pass and not giving a shit about the run game.

Lol I know I’m getting old ‘cause bro looked like a literal child in the thumbnail

Same here. ROFL

I may have to put some money down on this one.

This kinda feels like it's over by the end of the 3rd. The more I look into it, I just don't think the Eagles match up well with us.

They'll have to just bludgeon us with the run game and A) I don't think they can, B) I don't think they will.

Like it or not, coaches are human. These guys are on the big stage and it's Siriani's first time out there. I just can't see him spamming inside hand-offs at 4 yards/carry. It's exactly what cost Shanahan against us.

"Oh well Siriani won't stop running if he gets a lead..."

Wanna bet? He's gonna feel the need to peacock and put his stamp on it.

But more than that, I don't think he'll GET that kind of lead. They just don't have a team that is built to run away from us.

In a vacuum I think Philly is a more talented team than Cincy, but I think Cincy was a tougher out for us.

Your lips to God's ears. For once, I'd like to have a game where I don't have to have a heart attack until the final ****ing second.

Even if a team is averaging 6 yards per carry, that doesn’t mean the carries are: 4, 8, 6, 7, 6, 5…etc

It’s normally more lik:

3, 12, 6, 5, 1, 2…and that’s 3rd and 7. Hurts will have to make throws to win.

Exactly what changes did PHI make defensively from last season? just watched the highlights from the week 4 meeting last season, and our offense didn't have any trouble moving the ball either on the ground or through the air. On the ground was really interesting; 32 rushes for 200 yards. CEH had a career type day, over 100 yds and 7.3yds/att. Pat threw for less than 300 yards, but 5 TDs.

I don't expect it will be that easy again, but wow, the offense pretty much did whatever they wanted.

I like this matchup way better than the 9ers or Bucs with a mash unit OL.

They added Hasaan Reddick, Suh, and Jordan Davis. Sweat got better. Gardner-Johnson was added on the back end. They got Bradberry.

I think the Eagles did made some really nice improvements. I just don't believe they're as drastically dominant defensively as playing so many games against below average QBs made them look ...

I pretty much agree with this. I feel like this is a game the Chiefs will control from start to finish. IDK but over in 3 quarters, but i feel like the Chiefs can take a multiple score lead in this one and more or less hold it through out the game.

I agree, i like this matchup. And i don't believe they're as great as their stats say they are.

Lot of respect for the Chiefs, watched a lot of games from both teams. Think this one may be over by halftime. Maybe wishful thinking. Eagles haven't had a rough path but you only play the teams you play and they should have the full roster healthy.

I mean, no game is over at halftime. Especially with the Chiefs. For both good and bad reasons.

Reddick was a huge addition for them and Brandon Graham got healthy. Those are arguably their two best defenders.

So it ain't nothin'.

They're a vastly superior team to last year's model.

I just don't think it'll be good enough.

Chiefs just don't do that to teams often though.

I'd love to be cruising in this but I think it'll be close even if we're in control most of the way.

James Bradberry was someone a lot of us (me included) wanted badly. The Chiefs were heavily rumored to want him too but it didn’t work out. He’s a very good corner. That guy had 15 INT’s and 82 passes defended in his 6 years before this one. He’s really good.

CJ Gardner-Johnson is a good safety and was traded bc of the Saints abysmal cap situation and some other bullshit.

Hassan Reddick had 23.5 sacks and 8 forced fumbles the 2 years before he got to Philly this year. He was a known speed rusher with a lot of talent.

Those 3 helped them out a lot.

Having said that, I think the Chiefs could absolutely pull away in the mid 4th if they execute. The best thing Philly has going for them is their OL. If they don’t win there then it’s pretty much over for them.

True, PM is insanely good. Not being 100% will be a factor in will the birds pash rush. There was a lot of talk of the 49rs defense but the eagles is just as good if not better. The eagles D line is pretty good and Haason Reddick is better than bosa or parsons. Looking forward to a great game.

What changes did Tampa Bay make from the 1st half of of the 2020 game to the Super Bowl? Do not underestimate psychology/intangibles when it comes to football.

I answered that by removing the New Orleans game. The Dallas game they put up well over 400. Minshew threw for over 350 in that game alone.

Eagles CBs are gonna be like 'WTF' when Mahomes throws a no look behind the back overhanded underhanded spiralling knuckleball to Andy Reid who registered as eligible on 6th and 2.

I would normally agree but I don't have a good handle on injuries right now.

We need some bodies back.

Yeah, you only play the teams on the schedule. Problem is, the decent offenses on the Eagles’ schedule averaged like 35 points.

Mahomes has annihilated the NFC. Most games haven’t been close, including SF on the road this year, back when they actually had a QB.

Not to mention, Hurts is going to be more limited than Mahomes.

They added Kyzir White as well and he's been playing well at LB.

TJ Edwards and Brandon Graham both played out of their minds this year and put up their best seasons ever.

Edwards is slow though and won't be able to keep up to Kelce. White isn't overly quick either, honestly, which is why he had to move from safety to LB.

Their constant rushing of 5 to get Reddick home could be what puts the dagger in them though. Mahomes slaughters the blitz.

Well, that's kind of why I asked. But i also was interested in if they made any schematic changes, as I saw that Fangio became their 'defensive consultant,' at the beginning of the season, and he knows Pat and the Chiefs old offense pretty well. So that might slow down the Chiefs offense a bit at first.

Definitely over by half, but hey the rest of your Sunday you can do something more productive to get your mind off getting your ass beat.

I don't understand how anyone would think this game would be over at the half. These are two good teams and nobody is giving up. Even the Tampa superbowl 2 years ago, the game looked bleak but who thought it was over at the half?

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Think we're going to play a lot of press man

Pretty happy I got them at 17/2 while in Vegas for the draft. Just wish I would’ve bet more.

I think you mistakenly posted here instead of the “What Strain Of Weed are you currently Smoking” part of the forum.

LMAO LMAO LMAO

Ditto! Amazing how far we have come. Damn! It is WONDERFUL!

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You may want to rethink that position. Even if the Eagles have the lead at halftime, that is no guarantee of victory. In fact it bodes the opposite. Know what Mahomes winning percentage is when trailing at the half? https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-stats-a...f-among-hofers

LMAO wish a bunch of us could be in AZ to present the certificate (unframed)

It is highly unlikely the game is over at the half either way because that would have to be a hell of a deficit for either side for it to be "over". However, anyone thinking the Chiefs are in for a beatdown must not realize that Patrick Mahomes has started 93 total games in his career (regular and post season) and has lost by double digits exactly 3 times. That's it. 3 times.

The only concern I have is that shitty field! Remember Butker and several other players were injured when we played there week 1. I hope the field is better this time around.

Well then, rest easy. The NFL takes over supervision of the field for the SB and they sent "The Sodfather", George Toma, to personally oversee it.

SB 55, Raiders at KC a couple years ago (the bus game) and Titans at Nashville in 21?

The bus game was 40-32. Last year at home to the Bills (in that weird game that was delayed by weather) we lost 38-20. You got the other two.

I went back and watched highlights from last year's Chiefs/Eagles...sure is nice to have a superior replacement for Nieman, Hitchens, Hughes, Sorenson, Mathieu, Baker, Watts Bootle, and Reed. Amazing job by Veatch, almost unheard of to replace that many snaps, largely with draft picks. Would be nice to have Wharton and Hill, but another 11-13 new picks this year will set this team up through most of the 20s.

I just rewatched the condensed game from last year. Absolutely no defense in that game. Almost 1000 combined yards. We gashed them with the run, believe it or not. Around 200 yards on the ground. Hurts throwing the ball was most of their offense.

Yes, both defenses are improved from last year, but the Chiefs much more so than the Eagles. I'd still expect a shoot-out if both offenses are healthy, and that is the big unknown going into the game. My thinking is Hurts' shoulder is the real key, more so than Mahomes' lingering ankle injury or our WRs injuries. If Hurts is not throwing darts on the move, how do they win?

Damn, that’s right. I turned off that Bills game early. Sunday night. :thumb:

I think Hurts can make the shorter throws. Not sure if he can make the deep ones with accuracy if his throwing arm is not fully healed.

I'm with you, I misinterpreted the tone of the rhetoric. They need to do something to slow the Chiefs done, as we scored 5 TDs in the first 6 possessions! Helped to have Hill :(

Hurts looked very good throwing the ball that game, shoulder could be the difference this year, but the bigger factor is we have improved the secondary by leaps and bounds.Hughes played the entire game, Baker played, Ward was ok. None of them could hold McDuffie's jock even as a rookie, and I think it's clear that J Watson is better than Ward, and light years better than Hughes and Baker.

Well, pound for pound I'm not ready to say Watson is better than Ward but facts are facts and Watson and company did a better job against Chase and Higgins than Ward and company did in the last AFCCG. I would run, not walk, to take Watson over Hughes or Baker though.

Honestly the Eagles improved a ton on defense as well. I would think it’s probably close. KC needs to game plan for Reddick because if I am the Eagles I probably send him on Brown’s side as he has issues with speed rushers.

Yeah, our secondary is much improved from last year, and Hurts may not be close 100%. Not sure Philly should be the favorite.

The Chiefs offense can score as many points and as much as the Cowboys who put a ton on the Eagles. The difference is the Cowboys have Dak who is hot and cold. Mahomes rarely has those types of games.

Call me delusional but I'm really not all that worried about our receiving corps. I'm confident, based on initial reporting from Andy himself, that Toney and JuJu play anyway. At the very least, we get one of them. But even if not, we've seen what MVS can do and Watson is a viable WR. Moore has had all year and if there's ever a time he's at an all time confidence level, it's now. As for Kemp, he's been in the system 5 years (hurt all of 2019) and Mahomes even mentioned his confidence level in Kemp during his AFCCG post game presser. You could do a lot worse at your 4th WR position, which would really be like the 5th option even on 4 WR sets. Marsette is a dart throw but if he's getting multiple targets, we're probably FUBAR'd anyway. This game screams Kelce, Gray, McKinnon and Pacheco in the pass game. Plus, when you have a God at QB, he can make a cock of the walk rooster out of chicken shit.

On a yards per play basis, Philly was really good last year: 5.2. Improved to 4.8 this year while we went went from 5.8 to 5.1. Yeah, both teams are better, but our improvement is more pronounced.

I think the game is close to a coin flip if both teams are healthy, with us with a slight advantage. Given the injuries, hard to say, but Philly could potentially be more affected.

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Sorry if repost - INCREDIBLE! Let's FREAKING GEAUX!

If JuJu and Toney play and are close to 100% and Mahomes is dancing around back there and scrambling like usual, I really like our chances.

As long as KC can contain their pass rush off the ends I like their chances. I just wonder how effective KC will be with that as we don’t exactly have Roaf or Tait on there.

Is Fortson able to go? He could be a nice piece to have in the RZ.

13P will help with that, and fortunately we run a ton of it.

Yeah he's GTG. He could definitely play a role.

I went with -7.5, +285. Going big!

I just hope the ones that can play can play at full game speed and catch the damn ball on critical Third Down plays. Really think MVS is gonna have to carry, can't believe I'm saying this.

Per coach Toub, Skyy will not be returning kicks/punts in the Super Bowl, barring an emergency.

Further evidence that supports Toney playing.

Bah.

All this Fangio stuff is entirely overrated in my opinion.

It's just disguising various zones with deep safeties while a very talented front four get to the passer.

It's nothing without a stellar pass rush from the front four. It's not some genius scheme.

Build a bad-assed pass rushing line, and anyone looks like a defensive genius.

It's the horses.

of course, Philly has the horses.

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It's not necessarily the schemes I'm talking about. It's that he had three seasons to study Andy's offense and Mahomes, which a lot more than the PHI DC has had. And not just film; he's been on the sidelines seeing how everything works first-hand. He's going to know situational tendencies, subtle formation or even player packages and what Andy likes to run from them. He's going to have some kind of a book just on Andy and Mahomes. If he's as good a DC as everyone says he is, that book is going to be pretty thick after playing against KC for three seasons x2.

Now, Andy is the king of breaking his own tendencies, and PHI probably can't just adopt Fangio's defense in a week and a half (don't think they would anyway), so it's not a huge advantage either. But the PHI DC would be a pretty dumb clown not to ask Fangio if he could look at that book.

Yeah, and pretty sure Justin Watson will be available, plus Trent McDuffie technically can return.

But I watched the AFCCG highlights earlier this evening, followed by "The Franchise" episode 13, followed by a couple "Sights and Sounds" of the game, and I'll tell you that Skyy's mechanics and fundamentals looked near-perfect on his three returns. He gets under the ball in time and gets set; he doesn't have any happy feet issues, hell, the last one for the 27 yard gain, he had to drift backwards several yards, and he still fielded the ball perfectly. His catch mechanics are perfect, and he even went straight upfield after the catches.

I think he's going to be okay as a returner going into next year.

Shut up bitch

Thing is, the 2022 version of KC's offense was basically built to beat Fangio's defensive strategy. That and all of his disciples.

The rise of Fangio was because that scheme was good at forcing the new young gunslingers to hold the ball, be patient and take the short stuff or make mistakes forcing the ball because they want to chuck it downfield. So he and all of his disciples (Brandon Staley) become all the rage.

I'm not worried about Fangio. There's no genius scheme there. Hell, we run some of the same coverages, and disguising things pre-snap is perhaps the only 'scheme' that you can call Spagnuolo's.

It's the horses.

What I am worried about is that front four.

If you have a dominant front four, you'll have a top 5 defense. It's really that simple.

It's why I thought Veach was on a mission for that this offseason, but he went back to front instead. Not what I expected, but hard to argue with the results.

Fangio is a pattern match guy. Basically like a matchup zone in basketball.

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Just a reminder that the Chiefs have absolutely destroyed the Fangio defense that the league has copied. Practicing against it as a division opponent has prepared them for it.

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Good.

Skyy’s entire focus needs to be as a WR on offense this game.

It would be a strange look. For the AFC to be loaded with QB talent. Then have the NFC win the last 3 SBs

Lets' see. Drafted Jordan Davis. Picked up Bradberry, CJ Gardner-Johnson, Kyzir White, Suh, Joseph and Robert Quinn....Oh and your boy Wiley's comp - Haason Reddick.

Well, we lost 3/5's of our line during that time...