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Only one of those was in the postseason. It was in the Super Bowl with an offensive line decimated by injuries relying on backups at every position. If you're predicting an overwhelming Ravens victory, you're really not understanding the greatness of Patrick Mahomes. |
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He said they had more plays in the Bills game plan than they’ve ever had, and didn’t have to use near as much as they expected to. |
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let's bury this here, why not...
Hate Me Now (originally Nas-- changed for Mahomes) Playoff Season has returned It's been a long time, been a long time comin' Looks like the death of the bills But you know, there's no turning back now This is what makes me, championships are what I am You can hate me now, (Q.B.) but I won't stop now (real playas) Cause I can't stop now, (ravens) you can hate me now (c'mon) But I won't stop now, cause I can't stop now You can hate me now, you can hate me now Don't hate me, hate the blitzes I see, passes I throw rings that I win, make you spin, close your eyes Picture me throwin', sixes, money stackin' Bitches, accounts that swollen to riches, Chiefs get in ya Most critically acclaimed most valuable player Best defense reader, improv narrator, my style's greater play maker, big threat to a lot of you haters Commentators sideline try watchin' my paper bout half a decade, quite impressive Most of the best is in the essence For this football shit that I stand for Expandin' more to the big screen, state farm dreams But it seems you'd rather see me on sidelines while we on D Want me off the scene fast, but good things last Like your favorite QB still makin' some mean cash First qb to bring a platinum plaque back to Whitehouse TX But you still wanna hate, be my guest, I suggest You can hate me now, (Q.B.) but I won't stop now (real playas) Cause I can't stop now, (ravens) you can hate me now (c'mon) But I won't stop now, cause I can't stop now You can hate me now, you can hate me now You wanna hate me then hate me, what can I do But keep throwin’ tuddies, funny I was just like you I had to hustle hard, never give up, until I made it Now y'all sayin' "that's a clever playa, nothin' to play with" Hate on me, I blew but I'm the same QB People warn me, when you're on top, there's envy Took my WRs out the hood, but you doubt on us Sayin' we forgot how to play but can't get it out of us My bad, skip the pro bowl, then hand it to you? Here's my o-line and my TE room, you can throw to them too Criticize when I throw for the streets, hate my chiefs hat nike this, reebok that, what you expect, ho? Nickname showtime, took this game to its threshold Best throw, I bet the whole U.S. know Try to make it like you the realest, but who the best? Think we all know the answer to that, cause y’all feel this right You can hate me now, (Q.B.) but I won't stop now (real playas) Cause I can't stop now, (ravens) you can hate me now (c'mon) But I won't stop now, cause I can't stop now You can hate me now, you can hate me now It's a thin line between winner and lose Fins and bills, nine man fronts and fourty-sixes Hell or the pearly gates, I was destined to win Predicted, blame Veach, he saw talent in droves Second to none, turn your wife into a widow Shoot through wintry breeze, the desolate one Took a little time to claim my spot MVP of the league until this game stop, and I side with the Lord Ride for the cause while drivin' linemen blitzed at my doors Plottin' I'm sure to catch me with they three deep to my jaws Tried sackin’ me up but I flipped on these ducks Instead of me, ambulances were picking them up NFL fans fear what they don't understand, hate what they can't conquer Guess it's just the theory of man Became a monster, on top of the world, never fallin' I'm as real as they come from day one, forever ballin' C'mon You can hate me now, (Q.B.) but I won't stop now (real playas) Cause I can't stop now, (ravens) you can hate me now (c'mon) But I won't stop now, cause I can't stop now You can hate me now, you can hate me now |
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The Ravens defense is very vulnerable to TE's. Kittle had one of his best games against them. 126 yards.
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/-R7I1NOQxM4?si=g2H-fwHpf1BtS151" title="YouTube video player" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share" allowfullscreen></iframe> One of my favorite young TE's Trey McBride also had 95 yards on them with Josh Dobbs as his QB. <iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/dfcElCck01M?si=DRc7NwcpFH9HvjgW" title="YouTube video player" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share" allowfullscreen></iframe> The Ravens defense isn't as scary as it looks |
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Well right on man if you're over here after a Ravens loss people will respect that. This board is very tongue in cheek and full of bloated hot takes for humor sake. Fans come over and are SHOCKED I TELL YOU at the unreal viewpoints and miss the subtlety that most are hyperbole or obvious statements like I hope the Kansas City Chiefs win because ______ fans should drink antifreeze and then get 40 likes. Lots of running jokes that you have to be here for a while to get. |
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The biggest change, though, is how good the back 7 is compared to the Kansas City defenses the Ravens have recently seen. Lajerius Sneed has made a season out of flat-out erasing #1 WRs with his physicality and stickiness. He gets some penalties for it (which is why his PFF grade and the Chiefs' PFF coverage grade in general is bad, further proving that Collinsworth's little project is a sham), but he has completely eliminated Justin Jefferson, Stafon Diggs, Davante Adams, and everyone he has followed. Literally the only TD he has given up occurred in the divisional round, and that took a plus-plus play from Allen (rolling to his left, putting a throw exactly on the money with huge velocity) and a plus-plus catch by the receiver (Shakir made an incredibly difficult, all-hands catch to scoop the pass up). Trent McDuffie has been just as dynamic and dominant in the slot. If the Chiefs decide to go with man coverage at points in this game, those 2 are great bets to handle Flowers and Beckham. And I know Bateman has good separation numbers and is dangerous on the backside. But Jaylen Watson and Joshua Williams are both good matchups with him (big, sticky, can run, physical, tackle well). This is the best and deepest LB group KC has had. It has relied on Dan Sorenson and Ben Niemann in coverage spots over the past several years, and that was always an exploitable matchup. No longer the case. Nick Bolton (thanks, Ravens) is an excellent downhill MLB with great instincts and a lot of pop as a tackler. He's not awesome in space and can be exploited a bit there, but he's really smart and particularly effective coming downhill against zone read plays. Willie Gay, if he can play, is crazy fast and strong. He was a real key in limiting Allen's running ability in the first matchup with them and was a big loss in the divisional round. If he can go Sunday, he'll be important. Also is really good coming downhill. Drue Tranquill has been the real step-up for KC, though. He gives them a really reliable backup for Bolton and also a premium coverage LB they have not had before. And Leo Chenal is similar to Gay -big, fast, and strong. He's a good SLB when they're in base sets anticipating run, and has made some steps in coverage. And KC is still really strong at S. Justin Reid is a physical guy who does what he is supposed to do, consistently. He's not a big playmaker like, say, Kyle Hamilton, but KC doesn't use him that way (playmaking opportunities have shifted to Sneed and McDuffie). I think Reid and Marcus Williams are similar type of guys. Steady, smart veterans who fill their roles really well. Mike Edwards has been really strong as the second safety and effective as the deep man. Hopefully he clears concussion protocol and is good to go for Sunday. The big surprise at S has been rookie Chamarri Conner, who was pressed into full-time action Sunday because of Edwards' early injury. The rookie 4th rounder looks like the latest Day 3 steal by KC's scouting staff. He runs well and is versatile - good tackler, can handle deep responsibilities, has good instincts. That's a lot of words, but you asked. To sum it up, this Chiefs' D is better at all 3 levels than it has been in any previous years. There are no glaring weak spots or exploitable matchups/holes. Quote:
I've done a lot of work with stats, both for fun and for work, and worked with some pretty cutting edge statisticians. Which leads me to what I would argue from a semi-educated position is the biggest issue with DVOA: The sample size of a season is SO small. 17 games is a miniscule data point. Outliers can really mess with it. In situations like that, you kind of need to control the level of the outlier. Maybe DVOA has some things under the hood, behind the scenes, to do that. But it sure suggests it does not when the Miami game skewed things that much. Quote:
The Chiefs' O is also different. KC took a blowtorch to those Bills' Ds and did whatever it wanted. Could have named its score. I don't expect that on Sunday. KC's O also is much less required to do that than they were then. |
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The blowout predictions are still a little mind-boggling even if you’re picking the Ravens.
In this season in which the Chiefs were just so vulnerable and not nearly as good as we are used to, they lost a whopping one (1) game by two scores. And it was the October game in Denver that was randomly cold as **** while Mahomes was battling the flu. And that’s the regular season team I’m talking about — one that isn’t recognizable compared to the Chiefs we’ve seen in the playoffs. |
hahaha, it's not the missouri city chiefs! (wait, that's some of our fanbase too)
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There are still analysts who try to act like Mahomes is all playground football with no ability to do anything but improvise and work outside structure, and that he'll get figured out. Some of these morons are even on TV and try to act like Josh Allen is BETTER than Mahomes (see: O'Hara, Shaun). BUT I don't think it's a stereotype when guys here who watch a lot of other football (Most of us) and nerd out looking at what teams are doing and not just outcomes (guilty, as are a few others) say "Jackson still is not outstanding at throwing outside the numbers in short and intermediate areas." It doesn't show up on his tape from this year. I don't think it's a stereotype when we say "Jackson still is inconsistent with his mechanics and accuracy when he has to move and throw." He is and you can see it. I don't think it's a stereotype, either, to compare Jackson to another dynamic dual threat QB like Jalen Hurts. 2023 Hurts had an absolutely phenomenal season and was dynamic in the run game and passing game. Yes, they are different styles of runners, with Hurts being more of a power runner with good speed (like Allen) and Jackson being more of a dynamic, explosive playmaker in space with make-you-miss abilities. But still. Dual threats. Big-time threats with their legs, who are able to be more effective as passers because of their running threats than they otherwise would. |
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So if I feel that way, I can only imagine how ready the team was to fast-forward to the games that actually determine if they’re going to forever write their name in history as a repeat Super Bowl champions. That’s all these guys have been thinking about re: football since last February. |
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Other than 2018, when KC's talent was so overwhelming and the scheme with Mahomes at the helm and that talent was set up to just torch the most common defensive schemes prevalent at the time, the Chiefs have always had stuff in the wings waiting for the playoffs. More crisp execution. More aggression. Better performance in the red zone. Exotic looks they hadn't shown, and new wrinkles of looks they HAD shown. And yet people continue to be surprised... Quote:
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In the range of outcomes for Sunday, even the most likely one, and the spread backs up this thought… the Baltimore Ravens are gonna have to make a stop against Patrick Mahomes late in the fourth quarter to win the game. Are you ready for that?
You can wish it weren’t true, but the odds of it are extremely high and that’s IF the Chiefs aren’t the ones leading. |
In a bit of a win/win or lose/lose regarding Mike Edwards.
On one hand, you’d love to have his experience and knack for playmaking in a game like this. On the other, Conner balled out and his speed could also prove very useful in a full time role Sunday. |
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Your team hasn’t proved shit THIS postseason. Beat a team who drafted number 2 last year. So now you’re in here banging your chest, and straight talking ridiculousness! You say those other teams didn’t win the SB or make it to the SB. Neither has this version of the Ravens. Beating the Texans means shit. Most those teams didn’t make the SB, because Patrick vanquished them to Cancun. Same thing that’s gonna be happening on Sunday. We’re not worried about you, or your team. KC gonna come into your house, repeatedly punch your team in the mouth, and leave with another Lamar Hunt trophy. |
No way the Chiefs bring Skyy or Toney back for this game, right?
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baltimores weapon group is really not that impressive. they’re gonna struggle to get separation against our secondary. even with andrews back, are the ravens catch passers even as good as the bills collectively?
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Put him in. We need the boost. Hardman is giving you less than nothing on offense now. Toney might give us 2 for 30 and a tuddie. |
We were fortunate to face two teams that were decimated on defense by injuries. Baltimore’s D is healthy and our D is a bit banged up. It’s supposed to rain in Baltimore and our wide receivers who can’t catch passes when it’s dry, are going to really struggle when it’s raining. A rainy day is going to favor the run and Lamar is simply a more dynamic runner than Pat. It’ll take a perfect game by the Chiefs and some fortuitous errors by Baltimore to escape with a win. We lose 37 to 20 because we kick FGs and they’ll score TDs.
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if it's raining....advantage KC
straight ahead power running and all-weather mahomes you think lamure wants a wet ball LMAO |
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Baltimore has literally destroyed teams with winning records this year, including treating the assholes of the Lions and Niners like heads of lettuce and two thumb tearing them apart. For all intents and purposes, this week is the superbowl for the Ravens. Mahomes is the one thing standing between them and cruising to a title. The past 4 meetings with the Chiefs, the Ravens have scored 30+ in 3/4, the one exception being a 34-20 win in Baltimore in covid year. This is the best defense Spags has ever had, but it's tge worst offense Andy has had in the Mahomes era. If we cashed the redzone, or made less mistakes from the sideline, the talk would be different. We need a perfect game from the sidelines with no dumbass personnel choices and cute bullshit, and we need the personnel on field to execute at the level they're capable of. We need Playoff Travis. We need AFCCG MVS We need Rice to continue to beast. We need to feed Pacheco all game. We need the Grim Reaper. If we can get one classic Mahomes era offense performance of 30+, Spags and that defense will handle the rbqb. |
Toney is probably practice Lamar. He may hurt
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There’s a track record of games in which Spagnolo challenges his defense and says if we stop the run, we can win this game — if we don’t, there’s no way. Last year’s Super Bowl he said that happened. The Derrick Henry AFC championship game. The 49ers Super Bowl.
I’ll bet this is one of those weeks too. He couldn’t really say it last week, Josh Allen is good enough that even if they didn’t run the ball that well, they could’ve still beat us. But if you put Lamar consistently in second and third and long? I’ll take our chances every single time. There’s simply no chance he plays it safe like last week and says we can’t let Lamar have explosive plays with his arm. They’re going to challenge him to do that and make running the football difficult. |
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You’re placing a lot of pride and credit on beating a lot of teams with winning records and DVOA. I get it. Those accomplishments point to consistency, good coaching and a strong roster. But despite all that, the Ravens haven’t faced down and dominated an elite QB. The best thing they faced was an already-injured Joe Burrow. If the Ravens win and win in convincing fashion against KC, that’s strong support for them being as good as the numbers suggest. Re: the 21 Bengals, they had an elite scoring defense, elite QB, and the best trip of WR weapons in the NFL. That 19 Titans team had Derrick Henry at his peak, all sorts of “hot momentum” and a really strong OL. And good coaching all around on both, with no major or fatal flaws. |
Watched the game from a couple of years ago.. After two INTs Lamar was really good.. We moved the ball at will and the MEH fumbled the game away.. Their defense is much better and so is ours.. Our offense isn’t as good as that 2021 team.. Lamar is a dynamic runner and we won’t stop him from getting his yards.. low scoring game… 17-14… Patrick finds a way to win it…
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It feels like now is the time to put Sneed/Trent on islands and bust out the blitz packages like he did to Burrow last year. Speed up Lamar and he'll crack. Especially since he isn't making the throws outside the numbers. |
The game may very well be decided in the first half. The Ravens absolutely thrive on being ahead and are all but crippled when being behind.
If they jump on us early it allows them to run Jackson a lot more and let their defense pin the ears back and try to force mistakes that ultimately snowball into the blowouts we've seen them put on other top contenders. If it goes the other way and we're up early they may be forced into relying on the arm of Jackson more than they'd like to and their defense, while still very good, is relatively vulnerable. |
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I can't think of anybody 2 time MVPs with a championship who aren't in there. Hell, are there any 2 time MVPs WITHOUT a ring that didn't make it? Lamar's a unique player - doesn't fit any conventional mold. But as an offensive weapon, he's dangerous as hell. He does things that nobody else has. That'll get him in the Hall. Would I trade Mahomes for him? Not in a million years. I wouldn't trade rosters with Baltimore even if I think Baltimore has a better team at present. Because our guy is easier to build around and will last longer. He's the key ingredient and will be for another decade. I don't think you can say that about Jackson. He has 3-5 years left at a high level - tops. |
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Lamar had 148 rushing attempts this year. 6th all time for a season. Of the top 15 on that list, 5 are Lamar Jackson. The rest of the list is a group of QBs that we don’t believe can win it all (without a ton of help) with their arms: Hurts, Fields, Jackson, Murray, Cam Newton, and a few old timers. Is Lamar Jackson actually Russell Westbrook or is he Steph Curry? Is he an incredible athlete who puts up crazy stats in the regular season that don’t translate to postseason wins? Or is he the guy who breaks the mold and proves you can win in a different way? History says he’s Russell Westbrook, but we’ll see if that changes. |
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Lamar is dangerous, really electric. Almost boogeyman like...
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They also allowed among the most passing yards and highest completion percentages. That pass defense sucks. |
There might just not be a way to actually defend lamar especially with andrews coming back, he can beat the blitz, the 49ers have a better pass rush they tried to contain and it didn't work, make him beat you with his arm and he does what he did against the lions, guy is on his way to the hall of fame for a reason. Tough matchup
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There is a good read right now on PFF about the improvements in Lamar's numbers this year against the blitz and what KC may do to try and slow him down. I would link to it, but apparently as a new poster I don't have that ability. |
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53 yards, 44 yards, and 9 yards. Not sure that’s a great comparison. |
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That first one is funny though. It was supposed to be funny... right? |
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ironically, the other is a running back from the 60s ROFL don't count your chickens, his career passing stats blow |
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I say here's what he did against the Blitz on Saturday KC fans say yeah but that doesn't count because Houston isn't good. So what else can I say? I guess we will see on Sunday. |
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https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qi...29f76f750-pjlq (I do appreciate you setting this one for me) |
Congrats dude. You have a HOF' QB.
You have no clue what's coming. |
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Yeah Demeco Ryans was an idiot for not putting Christian Harris as a QB spy on Lamar. These types of stupid defensive decisions gave Lamar everything he wanted multiple times.
Spags isn't gonna do that |
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Fouts and Warren Moon never played in a single SB |
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Fran Tarkenton went to the SB 3 times, he never won though. Jim Kelly went 4 times and never won. So are you saying never won or not showing up to the SB. |
Yeesh. Dalton Shultz had 43 yards on 5 targets not counting the 20 yards critical pass he dropped that hit him in both hands wide open.
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The Chiefs scored 41 against the Bears and sat out starters in the 4th quarter... guess that means the Chiefs are good at scoring 40, so you all better watch out. And more recently? Well, 9 yards per play most of the game against the Bills. What more can I say? |
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Now that all said, blitz numbers against other teams don't translate as well against the Chiefs as people think because our coverage stuff is pretty damn unique. Not necessarily in the "Man, our coverage is so much better than theirs" sense (though as a general rule it is). But rather in a "Holy hell, these guys are absolutely beating the shit out of us as we try to get off the line" sense. It's HARD to beat a blitz when your guys can't get into their routes. McDuffie is sticky in the slot so that's a tough hot read, especially when he's such a sure tackler. And Sneed...well that dude just spends entire games physically assaulting whatever poor bastard he's lined up against. If this were in Arrowhead, OBJ would absolutely end up with a personal foul call against him at some point for shoving Sneed after a play. In Baltimore he may be able to keep it under control. Watson and Williams are plenty physical in their own right. But beating a blitz is about having a guy short you can hit quickly. Likely is talented as hell - but does he know the offense well enough to be the hot? Does it matter if he does and Gay is healthy? Can the Baltimore WRs get off the jam well enough to give Lamar someone to throw to anyway? The Chiefs blitz is a slightly different animal because of how physical their corners are at the line. I almost wonder if the better answer isn't to drop back deep (like Mahomes will do sometimes) and huck a YOLO ball out there in the hopes that Flowers or OBJ won the battle at the line, can win on a shot play and now you force the DBs to be a little less aggressive. Then again, I'm not sure 'less aggressive' is a club that Playoff Spags has in his bag. Dude's a lunatic in the post-season. |
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No, he’s not running a lot less this year. Averaging just over 9 attempts per game. His career average is just over 10 attempts per game. So he’s pretty much in line with what he’s been. Curious how you’ll spin this given your comment. If he’s a pocket passer then why run so much? Can’t these weapons get open? Or are these designed runs, which you said there are a lot less of this year? |
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There are some QBs you can just blitz and they don't have an answer for it, period. Jackson isn't one of those now (and never had ZERO answers against the blitz). But there are so many factors that separate teams as blitzers. There's the design and timing (where it comes from, how it is disguised, the effectiveness of the blitzer at timing the blitz, how it works with what the DL is doing). There's also the matter of what's done behind the blitz. When you have a really effective back 7 that covers well AND is disciplined in getting to its responsibilities, it separates the blitz. In previous Chiefs years, you could try to beat the blitz by picking on a weak CB or LB or S in coverage. Those weak spots aren't really there now. The Chiefs have 2 excellent cover corners, 2 good cover corners behind them, good coverage skills at LB, and strong S play. Quote:
The Chiefs racked up more sacks (18.8% more, or about a 1/2 sack/game). Chris Jones is just as elite a defensive lineman as Nick Bosa. Charles Omenihu had as many sacks in 11 games as the 49ers' #2 pass rusher did in 16, and we haven't even got to George Karlaftis yet, who had as many sacks as Bosa and Jones. The 49ers' DL has bigger names, but the Chiefs' DL has been better this year (and showed incredible discipline against the Bills, sacrificing pass rush wins/pressure to do the slow pocket push and try to keep Allen in the pocket). The Lions have a pretty awful pass defense. They gave up almost 8 yards per attempt on the season - only the Bengals were worse. The Texans were just a shade better. So none of the stuff you referenced about the 49ers or Lions has any relevance to how the Ravens and Jackson will fare against the Chiefs, actually. |
I want to be the first to congratulate the Lamar Jackson lead Ravens on being the first team to win a Super Bowl before wining a Championship game...
Good job Team... |
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