ChiefsPlanet

ChiefsPlanet (https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/index.php)
-   Nzoner's Game Room (https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/forumdisplay.php?f=1)
-   -   Chiefs Let's Talk About Baltimore (AFC Championship) (https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=351915)

wachashi 01-24-2024 08:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnny8 (Post 17359820)
Ravens win 34-20.

Through six seasons, Mahomes has lost four games by two possessions.

Only one of those was in the postseason. It was in the Super Bowl with an offensive line decimated by injuries relying on backups at every position.

If you're predicting an overwhelming Ravens victory, you're really not understanding the greatness of Patrick Mahomes.

pugsnotdrugs19 01-24-2024 08:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jerm (Post 17359967)
It's funny you mention that, I feel the exact same way about the Chiefs and Andy...

Can't wait to see what both teams bring.

Not only because it’s historically what Andy does, but because he told everyone Sunday night lol.

He said they had more plays in the Bills game plan than they’ve ever had, and didn’t have to use near as much as they expected to.

Jerm 01-24-2024 08:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 17359972)
Not only because it’s historically what Andy does, but because he told everyone Sunday night lol.

He said they had more plays in the Bills game plan than they’ve ever had, and didn’t have to use near as much as they expected to.

I can't wait to see what zany shit Spags draws up...

Ebolapox 01-24-2024 08:47 AM

let's bury this here, why not...

Hate Me Now (originally Nas-- changed for Mahomes)

Playoff Season has returned
It's been a long time, been a long time comin'
Looks like the death of the bills
But you know, there's no turning back now
This is what makes me, championships are what I am

You can hate me now, (Q.B.) but I won't stop now (real playas)
Cause I can't stop now, (ravens) you can hate me now (c'mon)
But I won't stop now, cause I can't stop now
You can hate me now, you can hate me now

Don't hate me, hate the blitzes I see, passes I throw
rings that I win, make you spin, close your eyes
Picture me throwin', sixes, money stackin'
Bitches, accounts that swollen to riches, Chiefs get in ya
Most critically acclaimed most valuable player
Best defense reader, improv narrator, my style's greater
play maker, big threat to a lot of you haters
Commentators sideline try watchin' my paper
bout half a decade, quite impressive
Most of the best is in the essence
For this football shit that I stand for
Expandin' more to the big screen, state farm dreams
But it seems you'd rather see me on sidelines while we on D
Want me off the scene fast, but good things last
Like your favorite QB still makin' some mean cash
First qb to bring a platinum plaque back to Whitehouse TX
But you still wanna hate, be my guest, I suggest

You can hate me now, (Q.B.) but I won't stop now (real playas)
Cause I can't stop now, (ravens) you can hate me now (c'mon)
But I won't stop now, cause I can't stop now
You can hate me now, you can hate me now

You wanna hate me then hate me, what can I do
But keep throwin’ tuddies, funny I was just like you
I had to hustle hard, never give up, until I made it
Now y'all sayin' "that's a clever playa, nothin' to play with"
Hate on me, I blew but I'm the same QB
People warn me, when you're on top, there's envy
Took my WRs out the hood, but you doubt on us
Sayin' we forgot how to play but can't get it out of us
My bad, skip the pro bowl, then hand it to you?
Here's my o-line and my TE room, you can throw to them too
Criticize when I throw for the streets, hate my chiefs hat
nike this, reebok that, what you expect, ho?
Nickname showtime, took this game to its threshold
Best throw, I bet the whole U.S. know
Try to make it like you the realest, but who the best?
Think we all know the answer to that, cause y’all feel this right

You can hate me now, (Q.B.) but I won't stop now (real playas)
Cause I can't stop now, (ravens) you can hate me now (c'mon)
But I won't stop now, cause I can't stop now
You can hate me now, you can hate me now

It's a thin line between winner and lose
Fins and bills, nine man fronts and fourty-sixes
Hell or the pearly gates, I was destined to win
Predicted, blame Veach, he saw talent in droves
Second to none, turn your wife into a widow
Shoot through wintry breeze, the desolate one
Took a little time to claim my spot
MVP of the league until this game stop, and I side with the Lord
Ride for the cause while drivin' linemen blitzed at my doors
Plottin' I'm sure to catch me with they three deep to my jaws
Tried sackin’ me up but I flipped on these ducks
Instead of me, ambulances were picking them up
NFL fans fear what they don't understand, hate what they can't conquer
Guess it's just the theory of man
Became a monster, on top of the world, never fallin'
I'm as real as they come from day one, forever ballin'
C'mon

You can hate me now, (Q.B.) but I won't stop now (real playas)
Cause I can't stop now, (ravens) you can hate me now (c'mon)
But I won't stop now, cause I can't stop now
You can hate me now, you can hate me now

Raiderhater 01-24-2024 08:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnny8 (Post 17359902)
I actually think I've been really balanced here, so unsure where this is coming from. But yeah, is it irritating that all AA QBs are stereotyped as the same? Sure is. So when I see the same nonsense, I'm going to call it out, because that's what it is.

I can still have normal cross-talk and share objective opinions are also call out bullshit. Those two don't impact one another.

Inferring a specific racial bias towards black QBs to a fan base who’s QB is himself black is not “calling out bullshit”, it IS bullshit.

St. Patty's Fire 01-24-2024 08:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnny8 (Post 17359902)
I actually think I've been really balanced here, so unsure where this is coming from. But yeah, is it irritating that all AA QBs are stereotyped as the same? Sure is. So when I see the same nonsense, I'm going to call it out, because that's what it is.

I can still have normal cross-talk and share objective opinions are also call out bullshit. Those two don't impact one another.

mahomes is black and isnt considered a running qb last i checked

RunKC 01-24-2024 08:50 AM

The Ravens defense is very vulnerable to TE's. Kittle had one of his best games against them. 126 yards.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/-R7I1NOQxM4?si=g2H-fwHpf1BtS151" title="YouTube video player" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share" allowfullscreen></iframe>

One of my favorite young TE's Trey McBride also had 95 yards on them with Josh Dobbs as his QB.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/dfcElCck01M?si=DRc7NwcpFH9HvjgW" title="YouTube video player" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share" allowfullscreen></iframe>

The Ravens defense isn't as scary as it looks

Kiimo 01-24-2024 08:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnny8 (Post 17359963)
Totally fair to feel that way. I won't, to be clear, gloat whatsoever if we win (if I comment at all - I don't want it to seen as rubbing it in). And if we lose I'll be back here, will just need to pull myself out of my depression first. I get a lot of opposing fans come in and are over the top in homerism or just assholes. I don't think I'm that at all.


Well right on man if you're over here after a Ravens loss people will respect that.


This board is very tongue in cheek and full of bloated hot takes for humor sake. Fans come over and are SHOCKED I TELL YOU at the unreal viewpoints and miss the subtlety that most are hyperbole or obvious statements like I hope the Kansas City Chiefs win because ______ fans should drink antifreeze and then get 40 likes.

Lots of running jokes that you have to be here for a while to get.

UChieffyBugger 01-24-2024 08:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17359983)
The Ravens defense is very vulnerable to TE's. Kittle had one of his best games against them. 126 yards.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/-R7I1NOQxM4?si=g2H-fwHpf1BtS151" title="YouTube video player" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share" allowfullscreen></iframe>

One of my favorite young TE's Trey McBride also had 95 yards on them with Josh Dobbs as his QB.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/dfcElCck01M?si=DRc7NwcpFH9HvjgW" title="YouTube video player" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share" allowfullscreen></iframe>

The Ravens defense isn't as scary as it looks

Plus terrible against the run and on 3rd down.

Raiderhater 01-24-2024 08:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiTown (Post 17359950)
We’ve had this conversation every year with a different fan base for the last 6 years. Don’t believe me? Go back into the archives and pull them up.

Opposing Fan:
“Hi, Joe Fan Here from X. Just wanted to stop by and wish you guys luck and a great game Saturday/Sunday. Should be fun…”
(Reads board, can’t believe how confident Chiefs Fans are on a Chiefs MB)

“Have you guys even looked at our stats and who we played and beat? I mean, this team is different…”
(Reads replies and can’t believe the amount of disrespect he’s seeing)

“You know, Mahomes hasn’t faced a player like X or a Defense like ours. This isn’t going to be some BS D like the X that you faced in he Divisional Round.
(Reads replies and can’t believe he’s being ignored. The butthurt intensifies)

“Wow, I can’t believe you guys are so confident and arrogant! Do you even watch football outside of KC? Have you seen these stats? (Links numerous worthless stats that we’ve all seen before and waits for people to be impressed. No one is impressed)

“What the f is wrong with Chiefs Fans? You have NEVER faced an opponent like our Team! This is going to be Mahomes greatest challenge ever. He’ll have to have the Strength of Thor and the Wisdom of Solomon to even have a small chance of victory. You are doomed!” (Reads replies that everyone is now laughing at him. People have now stopped replying. He’s incensed)

“**** you, you bunch of inbred Missouri hillbillies! KC is a shithole and YOUR BBQ sucks!!! I hope our D rips Mahomes head off and shits down his neck. **** you!!! (Account deleted).

*RINSE. REPEAT. EVERY YEAR

Absolutely perfect encapsulation of the process.

Johnny8 01-24-2024 08:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raiderhater (Post 17359980)
Inferring a specific racial bias towards black QBs to a fan base who’s QB is himself black is not “calling out bullshit”, it IS bullshit.

It wasn’t a blanket inference to the whole fan base, just to that one poster. And yes, it is bullshit. Sorry you’re offended, but that wasn’t at you.

duncan_idaho 01-24-2024 08:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PurpleOrange (Post 17359959)
Fair point, besides personnel what is this years D doing that is different and/or better?

They have a better and deeper defensive line. Chris Jones is still Chris Jones (and has continued to show he can move around the line and win different ways, even from DE). Charles Omenihu is the best #2 DL mate Jones has had since Justin Houston in 2018. George Karlaftis took a large step this year and is relentles. Mike Danna improved. They're very deep in pass rushers. The NT spot is still nothing special, but it's fine. Some speculation KC may elevate Buggs this week for this matchup specifically, since he held up so well against the Ravens interior linemen for another team earlier this year.

The biggest change, though, is how good the back 7 is compared to the Kansas City defenses the Ravens have recently seen. Lajerius Sneed has made a season out of flat-out erasing #1 WRs with his physicality and stickiness. He gets some penalties for it (which is why his PFF grade and the Chiefs' PFF coverage grade in general is bad, further proving that Collinsworth's little project is a sham), but he has completely eliminated Justin Jefferson, Stafon Diggs, Davante Adams, and everyone he has followed. Literally the only TD he has given up occurred in the divisional round, and that took a plus-plus play from Allen (rolling to his left, putting a throw exactly on the money with huge velocity) and a plus-plus catch by the receiver (Shakir made an incredibly difficult, all-hands catch to scoop the pass up). Trent McDuffie has been just as dynamic and dominant in the slot. If the Chiefs decide to go with man coverage at points in this game, those 2 are great bets to handle Flowers and Beckham. And I know Bateman has good separation numbers and is dangerous on the backside. But Jaylen Watson and Joshua Williams are both good matchups with him (big, sticky, can run, physical, tackle well).

This is the best and deepest LB group KC has had. It has relied on Dan Sorenson and Ben Niemann in coverage spots over the past several years, and that was always an exploitable matchup. No longer the case. Nick Bolton (thanks, Ravens) is an excellent downhill MLB with great instincts and a lot of pop as a tackler. He's not awesome in space and can be exploited a bit there, but he's really smart and particularly effective coming downhill against zone read plays. Willie Gay, if he can play, is crazy fast and strong. He was a real key in limiting Allen's running ability in the first matchup with them and was a big loss in the divisional round. If he can go Sunday, he'll be important. Also is really good coming downhill. Drue Tranquill has been the real step-up for KC, though. He gives them a really reliable backup for Bolton and also a premium coverage LB they have not had before. And Leo Chenal is similar to Gay -big, fast, and strong. He's a good SLB when they're in base sets anticipating run, and has made some steps in coverage.

And KC is still really strong at S. Justin Reid is a physical guy who does what he is supposed to do, consistently. He's not a big playmaker like, say, Kyle Hamilton, but KC doesn't use him that way (playmaking opportunities have shifted to Sneed and McDuffie). I think Reid and Marcus Williams are similar type of guys. Steady, smart veterans who fill their roles really well. Mike Edwards has been really strong as the second safety and effective as the deep man. Hopefully he clears concussion protocol and is good to go for Sunday. The big surprise at S has been rookie Chamarri Conner, who was pressed into full-time action Sunday because of Edwards' early injury. The rookie 4th rounder looks like the latest Day 3 steal by KC's scouting staff. He runs well and is versatile - good tackler, can handle deep responsibilities, has good instincts.

That's a lot of words, but you asked.

To sum it up, this Chiefs' D is better at all 3 levels than it has been in any previous years. There are no glaring weak spots or exploitable matchups/holes.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 17359891)
I was just looking a bit and a couple things that popped up were the Ravens being 12th highest ever after 13 weeks and then 3rd highest ever after 16 weeks (didn't go digging for week to week).... the 49ers game was in there of course, but demoralizing the Dolphins was a huge push as well and we all know how overrated they were this year, too.

And then when you put up almost 30ppg against the Browns fraud "best defense", I'm sure that goes a long way, too.

There's probably some kind of fraud multiplier effect... Dolphins put up 70 on the Broncos and beat them by 50, then the Ravens put up 50+ on the Dolphins, and ohhh boy, the Ravens must be amazing!

Stats that are so fluid after 13+ games is concerning though... blow out one team and jump 10 spots on the highest ever list. :shrug:

Yeah, that's interesting for sure.

I've done a lot of work with stats, both for fun and for work, and worked with some pretty cutting edge statisticians. Which leads me to what I would argue from a semi-educated position is the biggest issue with DVOA: The sample size of a season is SO small. 17 games is a miniscule data point. Outliers can really mess with it. In situations like that, you kind of need to control the level of the outlier. Maybe DVOA has some things under the hood, behind the scenes, to do that. But it sure suggests it does not when the Miami game skewed things that much.

Quote:

Originally Posted by OneWinningDrive (Post 17359881)
This is a reasoned take that I agree with overall. Seen some of your earlier posts in this thread and think you’re being fair.

DVOA isn’t perfect, but it’s one of the few metrics we have to adjust for a team’s situational success and quality of opponents. But like you’re alluding to, real-world considerations like matchups, scheme, and raw talent can upend the expectations DVOA would have you believe.

I do think that in this case, there won’t be a dismantling of the Ravens the way the Chiefs did to the Bills. Both because the Chiefs don’t have the same personnel as then (Tyreek) and the Ravens are just flat better than the Bills.

Agree that DVOA is useful if not perfect. I think it's easy to say the Ravens are "flat better than the Bills" but the 20 and 21 Bills had some edges, too.

The Chiefs' O is also different. KC took a blowtorch to those Bills' Ds and did whatever it wanted. Could have named its score. I don't expect that on Sunday.

KC's O also is much less required to do that than they were then.

Kiimo 01-24-2024 08:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raiderhater (Post 17359989)
Absolutely perfect encapsulation of the process.

he did forget WHAT IS THERE TO DO IN MISSOURI FLYOVER STATE HAVE YOU BEEN THERE I SAW IT FROM I-70 AS I DROVE THROUGH AND THERE WAS NOTHING GOING ON FROM MY VIEW ON THE HIGHWAY TEXAS BBQ IS BETTER

Raiderhater 01-24-2024 08:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnny8 (Post 17359991)
It wasn’t a blanket inference to the whole fan base, just to that one poster. And yes, it is bullshit. Sorry you’re offended, but that wasn’t at you.

Oh, I’m not offended, not in the least. I’m just pointing out how ridiculous of a comment it actually was/is.

pugsnotdrugs19 01-24-2024 08:59 AM

The blowout predictions are still a little mind-boggling even if you’re picking the Ravens.

In this season in which the Chiefs were just so vulnerable and not nearly as good as we are used to, they lost a whopping one (1) game by two scores. And it was the October game in Denver that was randomly cold as **** while Mahomes was battling the flu.

And that’s the regular season team I’m talking about — one that isn’t recognizable compared to the Chiefs we’ve seen in the playoffs.

Ebolapox 01-24-2024 08:59 AM

hahaha, it's not the missouri city chiefs! (wait, that's some of our fanbase too)

Raiderhater 01-24-2024 09:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kiimo (Post 17359995)
he did forget WHAT IS THERE TO DO IN MISSOURI FLYOVER STATE HAVE YOU BEEN THERE I SAW IT FROM I-70 AS I DROVE THROUGH AND THERE WAS NOTHING GOING ON FROM MY VIEW ON THE HIGHWAY TEXAS BBQ IS BETTER

I feel like, even though not specifically said, all of that fits within the frame of the final stage described in the last paragraph.

Bearcat 01-24-2024 09:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 17359972)
Not only because it’s historically what Andy does, but because he told everyone Sunday night lol.

He said they had more plays in the Bills game plan than they’ve ever had, and didn’t have to use near as much as they expected to.

The funny thing is not even all Chiefs fans believe it... it's just part of the overarching "flip of the switch" come playoff time.

duncan_idaho 01-24-2024 09:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnny8 (Post 17359902)
I actually think I've been really balanced here, so unsure where this is coming from. But yeah, is it irritating that all AA QBs are stereotyped as the same? Sure is. So when I see the same nonsense, I'm going to call it out, because that's what it is.

I can still have normal cross-talk and share objective opinions are also call out bullshit. Those two don't impact one another.

I get where you're coming from and understand how stereotypes of your QB can be annoying.

There are still analysts who try to act like Mahomes is all playground football with no ability to do anything but improvise and work outside structure, and that he'll get figured out. Some of these morons are even on TV and try to act like Josh Allen is BETTER than Mahomes (see: O'Hara, Shaun).

BUT

I don't think it's a stereotype when guys here who watch a lot of other football (Most of us) and nerd out looking at what teams are doing and not just outcomes (guilty, as are a few others) say "Jackson still is not outstanding at throwing outside the numbers in short and intermediate areas." It doesn't show up on his tape from this year.

I don't think it's a stereotype when we say "Jackson still is inconsistent with his mechanics and accuracy when he has to move and throw." He is and you can see it.

I don't think it's a stereotype, either, to compare Jackson to another dynamic dual threat QB like Jalen Hurts. 2023 Hurts had an absolutely phenomenal season and was dynamic in the run game and passing game. Yes, they are different styles of runners, with Hurts being more of a power runner with good speed (like Allen) and Jackson being more of a dynamic, explosive playmaker in space with make-you-miss abilities. But still. Dual threats. Big-time threats with their legs, who are able to be more effective as passers because of their running threats than they otherwise would.

pugsnotdrugs19 01-24-2024 09:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 17360003)
The funny thing is not even all Chiefs fans believe it... it's just part of the overarching "flip of the switch" come playoff time.

Shit, I’m over regular season games for the most part myself. They’re fun, they’re entertaining and better than anything else I could watch on TV, but they just don’t move me emotionally anymore outside of a handful of games each year. I’m largely unbothered after losses, certainly after an hour or so.

So if I feel that way, I can only imagine how ready the team was to fast-forward to the games that actually determine if they’re going to forever write their name in history as a repeat Super Bowl champions. That’s all these guys have been thinking about re: football since last February.

duncan_idaho 01-24-2024 09:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 17360003)
The funny thing is not even all Chiefs fans believe it... it's just part of the overarching "flip of the switch" come playoff time.

Right. It's driven some by local sports media, who may or may not believe it but certainly are driving some engagement by going doom-and-gloom.

Other than 2018, when KC's talent was so overwhelming and the scheme with Mahomes at the helm and that talent was set up to just torch the most common defensive schemes prevalent at the time, the Chiefs have always had stuff in the wings waiting for the playoffs. More crisp execution. More aggression. Better performance in the red zone. Exotic looks they hadn't shown, and new wrinkles of looks they HAD shown.

And yet people continue to be surprised...

Quote:

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 17359999)
The blowout predictions are still a little mind-boggling even if you’re picking the Ravens.

In this season in which the Chiefs were just so vulnerable and not nearly as good as we are used to, they lost a whopping one (1) game by two scores. And it was the October game in Denver that was randomly cold as **** while Mahomes was battling the flu.

And that’s the regular season team I’m talking about — one that isn’t recognizable compared to the Chiefs we’ve seen in the playoffs.

Yeah, it's pretty wild. And that Denver game also required what, 5 Chiefs turnovers, including a muffed punt late while still down by a single score, that gave Denver the ball inside the 5? And a receiver who dropped a perfectly thrown pass in the end zone, on a miraculous play by Mahomes that still hit him in both hands, that would have tied it up?

Bearcat 01-24-2024 09:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 17360007)
Shit, I’m over regular season games for the most part myself. They’re fun, they’re entertaining and better than anything else I could watch on TV, but they just don’t move me emotionally anymore outside of a handful of games each year. I’m largely unbothered after losses, certainly after an hour or so.

So if I feel that way, I can only imagine how ready the team was to fast-forward to the games that actually determine if they’re going to forever write their name in history as a repeat Super Bowl champions. That’s all these guys have been thinking about re: football since last February.

Yep, Kelce's been pretty vocal about it in the past, how after the first SB, all the team wanted to do is get back to January. And with how much they were using Skyy and others this season, it was clear to me it's just one long preseason to save guys for when the games matter.

pugsnotdrugs19 01-24-2024 09:21 AM

In the range of outcomes for Sunday, even the most likely one, and the spread backs up this thought… the Baltimore Ravens are gonna have to make a stop against Patrick Mahomes late in the fourth quarter to win the game. Are you ready for that?

You can wish it weren’t true, but the odds of it are extremely high and that’s IF the Chiefs aren’t the ones leading.

pugsnotdrugs19 01-24-2024 09:26 AM

In a bit of a win/win or lose/lose regarding Mike Edwards.

On one hand, you’d love to have his experience and knack for playmaking in a game like this. On the other, Conner balled out and his speed could also prove very useful in a full time role Sunday.

Coochie liquor 01-24-2024 09:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OneWinningDrive (Post 17359704)
Was there anything notable about those Bengals/Titans teams? They were fine teams, but that's it. They didn't go all the way, they didn't put up historic numbers during the regular season, and they weren't full of guys who will be remembered of all-time greats.

Compare to this Ravens team, which has the most victories over teams with winning records in NFL history--including the playoffs (proof: youtube.com/watch?v=vrAyCa9CDtc). They also have the most wins of 14+ points versus teams with winning records in NFL history (proof: twitter.com/FrontOfficeNFL/status/1741592576506069308). And they have at least three guys who are more likely than not to make the Hall of Fame (Harbaugh, Tucker, and Lamar) and two more who are young and already stack all pros (Kyle Hamilton and Roquan Smith).

And again, the Ravens as a franchise have more championship-level pedigree than the Titans, Bills, Bengals, and Eagles all put together.

All I'm saying is that if Ravens fans are confident, they have good reason to be. The only team with more of a right to be confident is... the Chiefs :thumb:

Holy shit, this knuckle dragger is high as a kite on that purple drank!! Put the sizzurp down kid. Lamar a HOFer?? LMAOLMAOLMAOLMAO

Your team hasn’t proved shit THIS postseason. Beat a team who drafted number 2 last year. So now you’re in here banging your chest, and straight talking ridiculousness! You say those other teams didn’t win the SB or make it to the SB. Neither has this version of the Ravens. Beating the Texans means shit. Most those teams didn’t make the SB, because Patrick vanquished them to Cancun. Same thing that’s gonna be happening on Sunday. We’re not worried about you, or your team. KC gonna come into your house, repeatedly punch your team in the mouth, and leave with another Lamar Hunt trophy.

FloridaMan88 01-24-2024 09:39 AM

No way the Chiefs bring Skyy or Toney back for this game, right?

St. Patty's Fire 01-24-2024 09:40 AM

baltimores weapon group is really not that impressive. they’re gonna struggle to get separation against our secondary. even with andrews back, are the ravens catch passers even as good as the bills collectively?

its gonna be all about how much they can run the ball

Hammock Parties 01-24-2024 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88 (Post 17360054)
No way the Chiefs bring Skyy or Toney back for this game, right?

Toney doesn't fumble.

Put him in.

We need the boost.

Hardman is giving you less than nothing on offense now. Toney might give us 2 for 30 and a tuddie.

KC Shox 01-24-2024 09:41 AM

We were fortunate to face two teams that were decimated on defense by injuries. Baltimore’s D is healthy and our D is a bit banged up. It’s supposed to rain in Baltimore and our wide receivers who can’t catch passes when it’s dry, are going to really struggle when it’s raining. A rainy day is going to favor the run and Lamar is simply a more dynamic runner than Pat. It’ll take a perfect game by the Chiefs and some fortuitous errors by Baltimore to escape with a win. We lose 37 to 20 because we kick FGs and they’ll score TDs.

Hammock Parties 01-24-2024 09:42 AM

if it's raining....advantage KC

straight ahead power running and all-weather mahomes

you think lamure wants a wet ball LMAO

Jerm 01-24-2024 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC Shox (Post 17360060)
We were fortunate to face two teams that were decimated on defense by injuries. Baltimore’s D is healthy and our D is a bit banged up. It’s supposed to rain in Baltimore and our wide receivers who can’t catch passes when it’s dry, are going to really struggle when it’s raining. A rainy day is going to favor the run and Lamar is simply a more dynamic runner than Pat. It’ll take a perfect game by the Chiefs and some fortuitous errors by Baltimore to escape with a win. We lose 37 to 20 because we kick FGs and they’ll score TDs.

Get the **** outta here...

Wallcrawler 01-24-2024 09:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 17359999)
The blowout predictions are still a little mind-boggling even if you’re picking the Ravens.

In this season in which the Chiefs were just so vulnerable and not nearly as good as we are used to, they lost a whopping one (1) game by two scores. And it was the October game in Denver that was randomly cold as **** while Mahomes was battling the flu.

And that’s the regular season team I’m talking about — one that isn’t recognizable compared to the Chiefs we’ve seen in the playoffs.

The blowout takes are valid. This Chiefs team, all season, struggled to even reach 20 points. They've beaten up on some depleted defenses these past 2 games, and still gave horrendous redzone gaffes that keep them from putting up 7.

Baltimore has literally destroyed teams with winning records this year, including treating the assholes of the Lions and Niners like heads of lettuce and two thumb tearing them apart.

For all intents and purposes, this week is the superbowl for the Ravens.

Mahomes is the one thing standing between them and cruising to a title.

The past 4 meetings with the Chiefs, the Ravens have scored 30+ in 3/4, the one exception being a 34-20 win in Baltimore in covid year.

This is the best defense Spags has ever had, but it's tge worst offense Andy has had in the Mahomes era.

If we cashed the redzone, or made less mistakes from the sideline, the talk would be different.

We need a perfect game from the sidelines with no dumbass personnel choices and cute bullshit, and we need the personnel on field to execute at the level they're capable of.

We need Playoff Travis.
We need AFCCG MVS
We need Rice to continue to beast.
We need to feed Pacheco all game.
We need the Grim Reaper.

If we can get one classic Mahomes era offense performance of 30+, Spags and that defense will handle the rbqb.

Rainbarrel 01-24-2024 09:46 AM

Toney is probably practice Lamar. He may hurt

pugsnotdrugs19 01-24-2024 09:48 AM

There’s a track record of games in which Spagnolo challenges his defense and says if we stop the run, we can win this game — if we don’t, there’s no way. Last year’s Super Bowl he said that happened. The Derrick Henry AFC championship game. The 49ers Super Bowl.

I’ll bet this is one of those weeks too. He couldn’t really say it last week, Josh Allen is good enough that even if they didn’t run the ball that well, they could’ve still beat us. But if you put Lamar consistently in second and third and long? I’ll take our chances every single time.

There’s simply no chance he plays it safe like last week and says we can’t let Lamar have explosive plays with his arm. They’re going to challenge him to do that and make running the football difficult.

RunKC 01-24-2024 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 17360062)
if it's raining....advantage KC

straight ahead power running and all-weather mahomes

you think lamure wants a wet ball LMAO

Lamar threw for 3 TD's and 300+ yards on the Rams in the rain.

duncan_idaho 01-24-2024 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OneWinningDrive (Post 17359704)
Was there anything notable about those Bengals/Titans teams? They were fine teams, but that's it. They didn't go all the way, they didn't put up historic numbers during the regular season, and they weren't full of guys who will be remembered of all-time greats.

Compare to this Ravens team, which has the most victories over teams with winning records in NFL history--including the playoffs (proof: youtube.com/watch?v=vrAyCa9CDtc). They also have the most wins of 14+ points versus teams with winning records in NFL history (proof: twitter.com/FrontOfficeNFL/status/1741592576506069308). And they have at least three guys who are more likely than not to make the Hall of Fame (Harbaugh, Tucker, and Lamar) and two more who are young and already stack all pros (Kyle Hamilton and Roquan Smith).

And again, the Ravens as a franchise have more championship-level pedigree than the Titans, Bills, Bengals, and Eagles all put together.

All I'm saying is that if Ravens fans are confident, they have good reason to be. The only team with more of a right to be confident is... the Chiefs :thumb:


You’re placing a lot of pride and credit on beating a lot of teams with winning records and DVOA. I get it. Those accomplishments point to consistency, good coaching and a strong roster.

But despite all that, the Ravens haven’t faced down and dominated an elite QB. The best thing they faced was an already-injured Joe Burrow.

If the Ravens win and win in convincing fashion against KC, that’s strong support for them being as good as the numbers suggest.

Re: the 21 Bengals, they had an elite scoring defense, elite QB, and the best trip of WR weapons in the NFL. That 19 Titans team had Derrick Henry at his peak, all sorts of “hot momentum” and a really strong OL. And good coaching all around on both, with no major or fatal flaws.

Kman34 01-24-2024 09:51 AM

Watched the game from a couple of years ago.. After two INTs Lamar was really good.. We moved the ball at will and the MEH fumbled the game away.. Their defense is much better and so is ours.. Our offense isn’t as good as that 2021 team.. Lamar is a dynamic runner and we won’t stop him from getting his yards.. low scoring game… 17-14… Patrick finds a way to win it…

St. Patty's Fire 01-24-2024 09:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rainbarrel (Post 17360070)
Toney is probably practice Lamar. He may hurt

what

RunKC 01-24-2024 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 17360074)
There’s a track record of games in which Spagnolo challenges his defense and says if we stop the run, we can win this game — if we don’t, there’s no way. Last year’s Super Bowl he said that happened. The Derrick Henry AFC championship game. The 49ers Super Bowl.

I’ll bet this is one of those weeks too. He couldn’t really say it last week, Josh Allen is good enough that even if they didn’t run the ball that well, they could’ve still beat us. But if you put Lamar consistently in second and third and long? I’ll take our chances every single time.

There’s simply no chance he plays it safe like last week and says we can’t let Lamar have explosive plays with his arm. They’re going to challenge him to do that and make running the football difficult.

Spags was very conservative in the Bills game until the very end. Chris Jones wasn't even rushing most of the game so they could force Josh to stay in the pocket.

It feels like now is the time to put Sneed/Trent on islands and bust out the blitz packages like he did to Burrow last year.

Speed up Lamar and he'll crack. Especially since he isn't making the throws outside the numbers.

Sassy Squatch 01-24-2024 09:55 AM

The game may very well be decided in the first half. The Ravens absolutely thrive on being ahead and are all but crippled when being behind.

If they jump on us early it allows them to run Jackson a lot more and let their defense pin the ears back and try to force mistakes that ultimately snowball into the blowouts we've seen them put on other top contenders.

If it goes the other way and we're up early they may be forced into relying on the arm of Jackson more than they'd like to and their defense, while still very good, is relatively vulnerable.

staylor26 01-24-2024 09:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by St. Patty's Fire (Post 17360086)
what

I think he's trying to say that the Chiefs will have Toney (former QB) play Lamar on scout team offense.

DJ's left nut 01-24-2024 09:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coochie liquor (Post 17360040)
Holy shit, this knuckle dragger is high as a kite on that purple drank!! Put the sizzurp down kid. Lamar a HOFer?? LMAOLMAOLMAOLMAO

Your team hasn’t proved shit THIS postseason. Beat a team who drafted number 2 last year. So now you’re in here banging your chest, and straight talking ridiculousness! You say those other teams didn’t win the SB or make it to the SB. Neither has this version of the Ravens. Beating the Texans means shit. Most those teams didn’t make the SB, because Patrick vanquished them to Cancun. Same thing that’s gonna be happening on Sunday. We’re not worried about you, or your team. KC gonna come into your house, repeatedly punch your team in the mouth, and leave with another Lamar Hunt trophy.

If Lamar gets a SB ring, he's going to the HoF.

I can't think of anybody 2 time MVPs with a championship who aren't in there. Hell, are there any 2 time MVPs WITHOUT a ring that didn't make it?

Lamar's a unique player - doesn't fit any conventional mold. But as an offensive weapon, he's dangerous as hell. He does things that nobody else has. That'll get him in the Hall.

Would I trade Mahomes for him? Not in a million years. I wouldn't trade rosters with Baltimore even if I think Baltimore has a better team at present. Because our guy is easier to build around and will last longer. He's the key ingredient and will be for another decade.

I don't think you can say that about Jackson. He has 3-5 years left at a high level - tops.

smithandrew051 01-24-2024 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch (Post 17360090)
The game may very well be decided in the first half. The Ravens absolutely thrive on being ahead and are all but crippled when being behind.

If they jump on us early it allows them to run Jackson a lot more and let their defense pin the ears back and try to force mistakes that ultimately snowball into the blowouts we've seen them put on other top contenders.

If it goes the other way and we're up early they may be forced into relying on the arm of Jackson more than they'd like to and their defense, while still very good, is relatively vulnerable.

It sounds so cliche, but this is still true.

Lamar had 148 rushing attempts this year. 6th all time for a season.

Of the top 15 on that list, 5 are Lamar Jackson. The rest of the list is a group of QBs that we don’t believe can win it all (without a ton of help) with their arms:

Hurts, Fields, Jackson, Murray, Cam Newton, and a few old timers.

Is Lamar Jackson actually Russell Westbrook or is he Steph Curry?

Is he an incredible athlete who puts up crazy stats in the regular season that don’t translate to postseason wins?

Or is he the guy who breaks the mold and proves you can win in a different way?

History says he’s Russell Westbrook, but we’ll see if that changes.

PurpleOrange 01-24-2024 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17360089)
Spags was very conservative in the Bills game until the very end. Chris Jones wasn't even rushing most of the game so they could force Josh to stay in the pocket.

It feels like now is the time to put Sneed/Trent on islands and bust out the blitz packages like he did to Burrow last year.

Speed up Lamar and he'll crack. Especially since he isn't making the throws outside the numbers.

Against the blitz on Saturday, Lamar was 13 for 18 for with 120 yards and 2 TD's

O.city 01-24-2024 10:05 AM

Lamar is dangerous, really electric. Almost boogeyman like...

Sassy Squatch 01-24-2024 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PurpleOrange (Post 17360097)
Against the blitz on Saturday, Lamar was 13 for 18 for with 120 yards and 2 TD's

LMAO It was the ****ing Texans. There are two very good pieces in that unit but by and large they still need a massive infusion of talent.

smithandrew051 01-24-2024 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PurpleOrange (Post 17360097)
Against the blitz on Saturday, Lamar was 13 for 18 for with 120 yards and 2 TD's

Texans allowed the third worst yards per attempt in the league this year.

They also allowed among the most passing yards and highest completion percentages.

That pass defense sucks.

Whogotitbetter 01-24-2024 10:09 AM

There might just not be a way to actually defend lamar especially with andrews coming back, he can beat the blitz, the 49ers have a better pass rush they tried to contain and it didn't work, make him beat you with his arm and he does what he did against the lions, guy is on his way to the hall of fame for a reason. Tough matchup

PurpleOrange 01-24-2024 10:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch (Post 17360100)
LMAO It was the ****ing Texans. There are two very good pieces in that unit but by and large they still need a massive infusion of talent.

A blitz is a blitz is it not, should he be penalized because of the team that was blitzing him?

There is a good read right now on PFF about the improvements in Lamar's numbers this year against the blitz and what KC may do to try and slow him down. I would link to it, but apparently as a new poster I don't have that ability.

Hammock Parties 01-24-2024 10:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Whogotitbetter (Post 17360105)
There might just not be a way to actually defend lamar especially with andrews coming back, he can beat the blitz, the 49ers have a better pass rush they tried to contain and it didn't work, make him beat you with his arm and he does what he did against the lions, guy is on his way to the hall of fame for a reason. Tough matchup

pump the brakes inner harbor, joe flacco has a better case right now

IowaHawkeyeChief 01-24-2024 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PurpleOrange (Post 17360097)
Against the blitz on Saturday, Lamar was 13 for 18 for with 120 yards and 2 TD's

Sneed and McDuffie say hello...

Whogotitbetter 01-24-2024 10:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 17360108)
pump the brakes inner harbor, joe flacco has a better case right now

anyone who has 2 mvps is in the hall of fame, that's what he's about to have, not first ballot but he's getting in, this is why this is a legacy game for pat, on the road against the team who has the #1 defense and a hall of famer at qb.

Sassy Squatch 01-24-2024 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PurpleOrange (Post 17360106)
A blitz is a blitz is it not, should he be penalized because of the team that was blitzing him?

There is a good read right now on PFF about the improvements in Lamar's numbers this year against the blitz and what KC may do to try and slow him down. I would link to it, but apparently as a new poster I don't have that ability.

Wut? A blitz is not just a blitz. There's a metric ****ton of variables, personnel on the field, where exactly the pressure is coming from, how many blitzers, etc.

smithandrew051 01-24-2024 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Whogotitbetter (Post 17360105)
There might just not be a way to actually defend lamar especially with andrews coming back, he can beat the blitz, the 49ers have a better pass rush they tried to contain and it didn't work, make him beat you with his arm and he does what he did against the lions, guy is on his way to the hall of fame for a reason. Tough matchup

All of your TD drives against the 49ers came off of Purdy picks and/or good field position.

53 yards, 44 yards, and 9 yards.

Not sure that’s a great comparison.

Coochie liquor 01-24-2024 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnny8 (Post 17359820)
If we lost that game I could say it was because we spotted you 7 points on the first play. But guess what, he did fumble, and you lost. Mahomes is amazing, best QB statistically in the game not only right now but [one of the best] all time.

With that said, Ravens win 34-20.

LMAOROFL this ain’t the Ravens defense… we haven’t given up that many points all year. Won’t happen again on Sunday. Make sure you stop back by and tel us good game after it’s over, and we’re preparing for our second straight SB.

Bearcat 01-24-2024 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Whogotitbetter (Post 17360112)
this is why this is a legacy game for pat, on the road against the team who has the #1 defense and a hall of famer at qb.

Quote:

Originally Posted by PurpleOrange (Post 17360106)
A blitz is a blitz is it not, should he be penalized because of the team that was blitzing him?

Yikes.

That first one is funny though. It was supposed to be funny... right?

DaFace 01-24-2024 10:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Whogotitbetter (Post 17360112)
anyone who has 2 mvps is in the hall of fame, that's what he's about to have, not first ballot but he's getting in, this is why this is a legacy game for pat, on the road against the team who has the #1 defense and a hall of famer at qb.

Someday? Maybe. Today? Nah. How many QBs are in the HOF who don't have a single Super Bowl appearance? Pretty sure it's just Fran Tarkenton. He's gotta win when it counts to get there.

Hammock Parties 01-24-2024 10:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Whogotitbetter (Post 17360112)
anyone who has 2 mvps is in the hall of fame

he would only be the second multiple MVP award winner without a lombardi if he gets in

ironically, the other is a running back from the 60s ROFL

don't count your chickens, his career passing stats blow

PurpleOrange 01-24-2024 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 17360122)
Yikes.

That first one is funny though. It was supposed to be funny... right?

KC fans say Lamar can't handle the Blitz

I say here's what he did against the Blitz on Saturday

KC fans say yeah but that doesn't count because Houston isn't good.

So what else can I say? I guess we will see on Sunday.

DJ's left nut 01-24-2024 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17360099)
Lamar is dangerous, really electric. Almost boogeyman like...

You see, Pat isn't exactly the boogeyman...

https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qi...29f76f750-pjlq

(I do appreciate you setting this one for me)

O.city 01-24-2024 10:22 AM

Congrats dude. You have a HOF' QB.

You have no clue what's coming.

RunKC 01-24-2024 10:23 AM

1 Attachment(s)
Yeah Demeco Ryans was an idiot for not putting Christian Harris as a QB spy on Lamar. These types of stupid defensive decisions gave Lamar everything he wanted multiple times.

Spags isn't gonna do that

O.city 01-24-2024 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17360132)
You see, Pat isn't exactly the boogeyman...

https://twitter.com/i/status/9101397076941127688

(I do appreciate you setting this one for me)

I was trying to tee it up for someone.

O.city 01-24-2024 10:25 AM

https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/db5f726...5-1aa5788a3d81

ChiTown 01-24-2024 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 17360124)
Someday? Maybe. Today? Nah. How many QBs are in the HOF who don't have a single Super Bowl appearance? Pretty sure it's just Fran Tarkenton. He's gotta win when it counts to get there.

Tark played in 3 Super Bowls (74, 75, 77)

Fouts and Warren Moon never played in a single SB

RavensMania 01-24-2024 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 17360124)
Someday? Maybe. Today? Nah. How many QBs are in the HOF who don't have a single Super Bowl appearance? Pretty sure it's just Fran Tarkenton. He's gotta win when it counts to get there.

Dan Fouts is in the HOF and never played in the Super bowl and neither did Warren Moon.

Fran Tarkenton went to the SB 3 times, he never won though.

Jim Kelly went 4 times and never won.

So are you saying never won or not showing up to the SB.

RunKC 01-24-2024 10:28 AM

Yeesh. Dalton Shultz had 43 yards on 5 targets not counting the 20 yards critical pass he dropped that hit him in both hands wide open.

Ravens are very susceptible to TE's. Kelce might have a career game

RavensMania 01-24-2024 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coochie liquor (Post 17360121)
LMAOROFL this ain’t the Ravens defense… we haven’t given up that many points all year. Won’t happen again on Sunday. Make sure you stop back by and tel us good game after it’s over, and we’re preparing for our second straight SB.

I will as well. But make sure you stop by purpleflock and do the same for us when we do win.

smithandrew051 01-24-2024 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17360134)
Yeah Demeco Ryans was an idiot for not putting Christian Harris as a QB spy on Lamar. These types of stupid defensive decisions gave Lamar everything he wanted multiple times.

Spags isn't gonna do that

Wasn’t Christian Harris having a really good game then got hurt and left for a bit?

If I remember correctly, that’s about the time the Texans fell apart.

Bearcat 01-24-2024 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PurpleOrange (Post 17360127)
KC fans say Lamar can't handle the Blitz

I say here's what he did against the Blitz on Saturday

KC fans say yeah but that doesn't count because Houston isn't good.

So what else can I say? I guess we will see on Sunday.

The Chiefs offense has looked off this season.

The Chiefs scored 41 against the Bears and sat out starters in the 4th quarter... guess that means the Chiefs are good at scoring 40, so you all better watch out. And more recently? Well, 9 yards per play most of the game against the Bills.

What more can I say?

RavensMania 01-24-2024 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by St. Patty's Fire (Post 17359982)
mahomes is black and isnt considered a running qb last i checked

Lamar is a pocket passer who played in a pro style offense in college EP Scheme. He's always keeping his eyes downfield and only goes if there isn't anything open. Yes he has the ability to run better than anyone, but he's also running a lot less this year. He's had a lot less designed runs this season.

DJ's left nut 01-24-2024 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief (Post 17360111)
Sneed and McDuffie say hello...

I think showing blitz is smart, but blitzing him may not be. If he gets under or around your blitzer, you're in trouble. That leaves a lot of green in front of him and you're now 2 guys short in covering the space.

Now that all said, blitz numbers against other teams don't translate as well against the Chiefs as people think because our coverage stuff is pretty damn unique.

Not necessarily in the "Man, our coverage is so much better than theirs" sense (though as a general rule it is). But rather in a "Holy hell, these guys are absolutely beating the shit out of us as we try to get off the line" sense.

It's HARD to beat a blitz when your guys can't get into their routes. McDuffie is sticky in the slot so that's a tough hot read, especially when he's such a sure tackler. And Sneed...well that dude just spends entire games physically assaulting whatever poor bastard he's lined up against. If this were in Arrowhead, OBJ would absolutely end up with a personal foul call against him at some point for shoving Sneed after a play. In Baltimore he may be able to keep it under control. Watson and Williams are plenty physical in their own right.

But beating a blitz is about having a guy short you can hit quickly. Likely is talented as hell - but does he know the offense well enough to be the hot? Does it matter if he does and Gay is healthy? Can the Baltimore WRs get off the jam well enough to give Lamar someone to throw to anyway?

The Chiefs blitz is a slightly different animal because of how physical their corners are at the line. I almost wonder if the better answer isn't to drop back deep (like Mahomes will do sometimes) and huck a YOLO ball out there in the hopes that Flowers or OBJ won the battle at the line, can win on a shot play and now you force the DBs to be a little less aggressive.

Then again, I'm not sure 'less aggressive' is a club that Playoff Spags has in his bag. Dude's a lunatic in the post-season.

Coochie liquor 01-24-2024 10:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OneWinningDrive (Post 17359886)
The difference in DVOA between the Ravens and Chiefs is the same as the difference between the Chiefs and Jets.

The difference between Mahomes and Lamar is like comparing steak and a big, to oatmeal on a cold morning.

RavensMania 01-24-2024 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger (Post 17359832)
So the question is which is the better team we've faced? The Eagles team we saw in the superbowl or this Ravens?

Qb= Hurts and Lamar are literally the same imo. Both can kill you running and can have good days throwing but usually that's not their strength.

Ol= Eagles easily

WR= Eagles had AJ and Smith so imo that's easily Eagles again

TE= tough one. Andrews and Dallas are the same but Likely perhaps gives Bal the edge

RB= Sanders, Scott, Gainwell etc were better imo so Eagles

DL= Eagles easily and their sack record proved it

LB= Bal easily here no debate

Secondary= both teams have good individual talent so it's possibly a tie here imo.

Coaching= may be a tie too considering the Eagles guys are now head coaches. Though granted Harbough has win a ring but he doesn't call plays.

Eagles also had the tush push which Bal doesn't do. So who's the better roster? Imo I'd say the Eagles were probably the better team and had the same number one seed, had a top defense and a QB playing at an MVP level. They had a feared run game with two number one receivers that HAD to be respected.

So we've been here before on an even bigger stage just a year ago ya'll. And I think that experience against the Eagles will be huge for us going into Sunday.

Hurts and Lamar are nowhere near the same QB.

smithandrew051 01-24-2024 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RavensMania (Post 17360157)
Lamar is a pocket passer who played in a pro style offense in college EP Scheme. He's always keeping his eyes downfield and only goes if there isn't anything open. Yes he has the ability to run better than anyone, but he's also running a lot less this year. He's had a lot less designed runs this season.

6th most rushing attempts by a QB in a season in league history this year.

No, he’s not running a lot less this year.

Averaging just over 9 attempts per game. His career average is just over 10 attempts per game.

So he’s pretty much in line with what he’s been.

Curious how you’ll spin this given your comment. If he’s a pocket passer then why run so much? Can’t these weapons get open?

Or are these designed runs, which you said there are a lot less of this year?

Bearcat 01-24-2024 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RavensMania (Post 17360163)
Hurts and Lamar are nowhere near the same QB.

He does have "Village Idiot" under his username for a reason, just fyi...

carcosa 01-24-2024 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiTown (Post 17359950)
We’ve had this conversation every year with a different fan base for the last 6 years. Don’t believe me? Go back into the archives and pull them up.

Opposing Fan:
“Hi, Joe Fan Here from X. Just wanted to stop by and wish you guys luck and a great game Saturday/Sunday. Should be fun…”
(Reads board, can’t believe how confident Chiefs Fans are on a Chiefs MB)

“Have you guys even looked at our stats and who we played and beat? I mean, this team is different…”
(Reads replies and can’t believe the amount of disrespect he’s seeing)

“You know, Mahomes hasn’t faced a player like X or a Defense like ours. This isn’t going to be some BS D like the X that you faced in he Divisional Round.
(Reads replies and can’t believe he’s being ignored. The butthurt intensifies)

“Wow, I can’t believe you guys are so confident and arrogant! Do you even watch football outside of KC? Have you seen these stats? (Links numerous worthless stats that we’ve all seen before and waits for people to be impressed. No one is impressed)

“What the f is wrong with Chiefs Fans? You have NEVER faced an opponent like our Team! This is going to be Mahomes greatest challenge ever. He’ll have to have the Strength of Thor and the Wisdom of Solomon to even have a small chance of victory. You are doomed!” (Reads replies that everyone is now laughing at him. People have now stopped replying. He’s incensed)

“**** you, you bunch of inbred Missouri hillbillies! KC is a shithole and YOUR BBQ sucks!!! I hope our D rips Mahomes head off and shits down his neck. **** you!!! (Account deleted).

*RINSE. REPEAT. EVERY YEAR

Perfect except you forgot the part where the Chiefs win

duncan_idaho 01-24-2024 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PurpleOrange (Post 17360106)
A blitz is a blitz is it not, should he be penalized because of the team that was blitzing him?

There is a good read right now on PFF about the improvements in Lamar's numbers this year against the blitz and what KC may do to try and slow him down. I would link to it, but apparently as a new poster I don't have that ability.

A blitz is not a blitz. Not every team that is blitzing is the same.

There are some QBs you can just blitz and they don't have an answer for it, period. Jackson isn't one of those now (and never had ZERO answers against the blitz).

But there are so many factors that separate teams as blitzers. There's the design and timing (where it comes from, how it is disguised, the effectiveness of the blitzer at timing the blitz, how it works with what the DL is doing).

There's also the matter of what's done behind the blitz. When you have a really effective back 7 that covers well AND is disciplined in getting to its responsibilities, it separates the blitz. In previous Chiefs years, you could try to beat the blitz by picking on a weak CB or LB or S in coverage. Those weak spots aren't really there now. The Chiefs have 2 excellent cover corners, 2 good cover corners behind them, good coverage skills at LB, and strong S play.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Whogotitbetter (Post 17360105)
There might just not be a way to actually defend lamar especially with andrews coming back, he can beat the blitz, the 49ers have a better pass rush they tried to contain and it didn't work, make him beat you with his arm and he does what he did against the lions, guy is on his way to the hall of fame for a reason. Tough matchup

Do the 49ers have a better pass rush? They have bigger names. Nick Bosa is great. Chase Young was a top pick and has never quite lived up to the billing of that. Erik Armstead is a steady player but not a world beater as a pass rusher.

The Chiefs racked up more sacks (18.8% more, or about a 1/2 sack/game). Chris Jones is just as elite a defensive lineman as Nick Bosa. Charles Omenihu had as many sacks in 11 games as the 49ers' #2 pass rusher did in 16, and we haven't even got to George Karlaftis yet, who had as many sacks as Bosa and Jones.

The 49ers' DL has bigger names, but the Chiefs' DL has been better this year (and showed incredible discipline against the Bills, sacrificing pass rush wins/pressure to do the slow pocket push and try to keep Allen in the pocket).

The Lions have a pretty awful pass defense. They gave up almost 8 yards per attempt on the season - only the Bengals were worse. The Texans were just a shade better.

So none of the stuff you referenced about the 49ers or Lions has any relevance to how the Ravens and Jackson will fare against the Chiefs, actually.

digger 01-24-2024 10:48 AM

I want to be the first to congratulate the Lamar Jackson lead Ravens on being the first team to win a Super Bowl before wining a Championship game...


Good job Team...

Coochie liquor 01-24-2024 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ebolapox (Post 17359978)
let's bury this here, why not...

Hate Me Now (originally Nas-- changed for Mahomes)

Playoff Season has returned
It's been a long time, been a long time comin'
Looks like the death of the bills
But you know, there's no turning back now
This is what makes me, championships are what I am

You can hate me now, (Q.B.) but I won't stop now (real playas)
Cause I can't stop now, (ravens) you can hate me now (c'mon)
But I won't stop now, cause I can't stop now
You can hate me now, you can hate me now

Don't hate me, hate the blitzes I see, passes I throw
rings that I win, make you spin, close your eyes
Picture me throwin', sixes, money stackin'
Bitches, accounts that swollen to riches, Chiefs get in ya
Most critically acclaimed most valuable player
Best defense reader, improv narrator, my style's greater
play maker, big threat to a lot of you haters
Commentators sideline try watchin' my paper
bout half a decade, quite impressive
Most of the best is in the essence
For this football shit that I stand for
Expandin' more to the big screen, state farm dreams
But it seems you'd rather see me on sidelines while we on D
Want me off the scene fast, but good things last
Like your favorite QB still makin' some mean cash
First qb to bring a platinum plaque back to Whitehouse TX
But you still wanna hate, be my guest, I suggest

You can hate me now, (Q.B.) but I won't stop now (real playas)
Cause I can't stop now, (ravens) you can hate me now (c'mon)
But I won't stop now, cause I can't stop now
You can hate me now, you can hate me now

You wanna hate me then hate me, what can I do
But keep throwin’ tuddies, funny I was just like you
I had to hustle hard, never give up, until I made it
Now y'all sayin' "that's a clever playa, nothin' to play with"
Hate on me, I blew but I'm the same QB
People warn me, when you're on top, there's envy
Took my WRs out the hood, but you doubt on us
Sayin' we forgot how to play but can't get it out of us
My bad, skip the pro bowl, then hand it to you?
Here's my o-line and my TE room, you can throw to them too
Criticize when I throw for the streets, hate my chiefs hat
nike this, reebok that, what you expect, ho?
Nickname showtime, took this game to its threshold
Best throw, I bet the whole U.S. know
Try to make it like you the realest, but who the best?
Think we all know the answer to that, cause y’all feel this right

You can hate me now, (Q.B.) but I won't stop now (real playas)
Cause I can't stop now, (ravens) you can hate me now (c'mon)
But I won't stop now, cause I can't stop now
You can hate me now, you can hate me now

It's a thin line between winner and lose
Fins and bills, nine man fronts and fourty-sixes
Hell or the pearly gates, I was destined to win
Predicted, blame Veach, he saw talent in droves
Second to none, turn your wife into a widow
Shoot through wintry breeze, the desolate one
Took a little time to claim my spot
MVP of the league until this game stop, and I side with the Lord
Ride for the cause while drivin' linemen blitzed at my doors
Plottin' I'm sure to catch me with they three deep to my jaws
Tried sackin’ me up but I flipped on these ducks
Instead of me, ambulances were picking them up
NFL fans fear what they don't understand, hate what they can't conquer
Guess it's just the theory of man
Became a monster, on top of the world, never fallin'
I'm as real as they come from day one, forever ballin'
C'mon

You can hate me now, (Q.B.) but I won't stop now (real playas)
Cause I can't stop now, (ravens) you can hate me now (c'mon)
But I won't stop now, cause I can't stop now
You can hate me now, you can hate me now

Oh shit! Didn’t know you were gifted like that. I’m about to drop a song before the game. Not as cool as yours though. We should do a Chiefs freestyle battle!


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 01:14 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.