Montreal Royals.

https://www.bizjournals.com/kansasci...ium=trueAnthem

This seems fair. I've long proposed they take over the TBones Park until they can clear .500 three seasons in a row.

Frank White LMAO... Loved him as a Royal, but the Chiefs have way more leverage an would never settle for 3/16ths, that's why they sandbagged this in the first place.

IDK, when you think about it. The only reason the Chiefs want some tax money for the cost of renovation is that Jackson County is the owner of the Truman Sports Complex.

Chiefs will stay at Arrowhead if another tax is approved or if they take over ownership from County at a reasonable price.

Chiefs make so much money that they could privately finance and fully own any new stadium if they get a sweetheart deal on land at an ideal location.

So for the Chiefs and maybe even for the Royals, the idea will be public should help pay for improvements or construction if the stadium is not owned by team.

If public does not want to pitch in on renovations, then give up ownership or team will build new with own money or team will sell a monorail to some rubes elsewhere and county can own a piece of history and figure it out.

I think the next vote for Arrowhead could be extend the current tax for the term of the new lease or have County give up ownership of Truman Sports Complex to the teams or one team if the other team does not extend lease.

That should be the questions put to voters or elected officials. pitch in if teams are not the owners, or give up ownership if no pitch in on renovations.

When you think about it, Royals could build new in Kansas City with TIF and fully own with tax breaks for a long time. The piss and moan about tax breaks to the rich for TIF will sound stupid when the same people campaigned against a proposal to have public pitch in to renovate or build a stadium that the Royals do not own.

Chiefs will stay at Arrowhead as owners or with a new Jackson County tax or Kansas City tax if Chiefs are not owners.

Royals will build new and get a whole lot more in tax breaks on a stadium and real estate development they fully own than they ever would have gotten from a sales tax to help pay for a publicly owned stadium.

Let the games begin

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Good luck trying to delineate between the implications of extending the sales tax to benefit billionaires versus tax breaks which benefit billionaires to thousands of <90 IQs.

I bet she's fun to live with.

I was a STL Ram season ticket holder before they left. The very next year I became a Chiefs season ticket holder. I live 3 1/2 hours from KC. I was shocked how inexpensive it was to be a season ticket holder for the Chiefs. No PSL! I paid 10,000 for 2 seats in STL. Of course that was before Mahomes so there were plenty available. I really hope they get this figured out. Ive experienced a team leaving when a lot of people said they never would. Thanks

It'll be extremely telling if the Chiefs won't engage separately with Jackson County and announce plans elsewhere before giving them a chance.

I would be shocked if they did re-engage. Jackson county will have to come up with a plan to approach them, and 3/16 cent proposed by Frank isn't going to do it...

Eh. It's a possibility but it would sure make the Chiefs appear to be operating in bad faith if they won't even make a proposal without the Royals being involved.

As for the Royals, they gone. For whatever reason East Village seems to be a no go and Crossroads just got shit on. Only question is does another county foot the bill.

You'll read alot of articles like these the next coming year or so. MO isn't going to lose 2 NFL teams

What is the Chiefs motivation there? They're being courted now. The honus is on Jackson county/Missouri/KCMO.

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Chiefs want to stay at Arrowhead, the are hosting the World Cup and will have to do a lot of work to increase size of field for soccer and they want to do it in a way that replaces the seats for football. And I think the idea is to do it in a way that they could always remove the seats for important soccer events.

Chiefs will only move if shit goes really backwards and it will not be great for fans to learn what it is like to have to buy a PSL to be able to buy season tickets.

You do not appreciate what Arrowhead means to the Hunts, the players and the fans.

To recommend the Chiefs to act like crybaby ass bitches and piss away tenancy or possible ownership of Arrowhead has to be some completely thoughtless shit.

Chiefs move should be deal with the County and start talking about taking over ownership if the Jackson County Legislature and Executive are not going to fully back pitch in on renovations to extend lease.

You posted some stuff I have disagreed with, but nothing as thoughtless as just plain give on Arrowhead right ****ing now over some poorly presented ballot question. I voted yes for the stupid ass thing, but it is very easy to figure out why people voted no.

Chiefs just sell the idea of a ballot question were voters understand the only option for Chiefs to play at Arrowhead after current lease is sell the place to the team or public pitch in on renovations if Chiefs extend lease and county keeps ownership.

I do not know how you expect the Chiefs to give up on Arrowhead that easy. Are you sure you are not a Raiders fan?

Right. I'm saying if they refuse to even negotiate with Jackson separately. If they ultimately get a better offer elsewhere that's fair, but if something is announced imminently it would further drive home that Clark has been done with Arrowhead despite what he says publicly.

The modifications for Arrowhead for soccer all get taken out after 26.

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The motivation is the idea on last year's Super Bowl Rings that Arrowhead is the Greatest Place on Earth.

Do you know anything about the Kansas City Chiefs?

It already has lost two.

The fans, myself included, love Arrowhead. But I think it’s well within reason that Hunt is indifferent about it at this point for various reasons.

At this point, for Hunt it’s basically like Love It or List It from HGTV. He’s got a list of things he absolutely needs to stay at Arrowhead and a list of things he really wants but can likely only get with a new location. At some point, no matter how much you love your old house, there are going to be issues or things you desire that the old house just can’t deliver so you move on.

St Louis has had 4 NFL teams in their history.

Where do you get that from?

The team has said that soccer matches in Club World Cup or international friendlies will be played in 2025 on the FIFA configuration and that almost all of the removed seats will be back in for any Chiefs games and will be taken out for 2026 World Cup matches and put back in for chiefs 2026 games.

I think the idea is make a partial grandstand that can be used for football and taken out for soccer.

Do you want to bet some money on how this turns out?

Still trying to remain hopeful, but this & the Rice ordeal leaves me in a bad way. Someone please fire up the SR/bat signal… I need help.

That just sounds awful.

Meh. Given it's an open secret the NFL wants to expand to 40 relatively soon I sincerely doubt the Chiefs are going anywhere except maybe over the state line. Royals, different story. Unless Hunt and the Chiefs are for some reason adamant they're a package deal every county involved will be full court press on the Chiefs with the Royals on the back burner.

Yeah. It wasn't the money, at least not for anyone I know, and everyone I know was dead set against it.

It was a shit plan with no real parameters, lots of talk, but nothing on paper other than the footprint of the actual stadium. It was bonkers.

I absolutely appreciate Arrowhead as a STM and hope they don't move. However, I am also keen enough to realize they knew this would fail, giving them tremendous leverage moving forward. They will now be courted without public backlash from 2-3 other entities and Jackson county may end up with a larger commitment than before to the Chiefs if they stay. If Clark wants to stay at Arrowhead, the divorce from the Royals will allow him to do more. If not, we will have a new stadium, most likely in Kansas, and this isn't my choice.

I say that Chiefs kick off 2032 season with a new sales tax helping pay for the renovations that incentivized them extending lease with Jackson County or Jackson County gives up ownership of all or part of Truman Sports Complex to the Chiefs or to Kansas City, Missouri, and there is a lease with Kansas City and a new tax in Kansas City that applies everywhere in Kansas City, Missouri, no matter what county.

There are plenty of KC tenant types out there that fed into that side of things.

It was just so hamfisted and smug with a real 'give us your $ dummies' vibe

that's actually a really good analogy...

Honus Wagner?

I'm just taking a wild stab at it : shrug:

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Please change thread title to Stadium Watch 2024 -Jackson County Residents: Nice Meltdown, Red Dawg

With the improvement plan put forth by the Chiefs, the age of the stadium, and not being able to host a super bowl (which seems like a goal for the Hunt family imo), what makes you say that the Chiefs want to stay at Arrowhead? Nostalgia?

Without reading through this thread, what has officially happened?

Chiefs moving to Texas. Royals to Nashville.

Or Jackson county said they wouldn't fund the plans put forth by both teams leaving but teams able to negotiate with other areas/cities.

The vote got slammed down like 65/35 (or something) that would have built a new stadium downtown for the Royals, renovated Arrowhead, extended the Royals lease by 40 years, and extended the Chiefs lease by 25 (with 3 five year options to extend to 40 max).

So, they either all come back in a year or two with a better plan together or figure it out on their own... but they're both in KC for the next 7 years minimum while they figure it out.

Perhaps nothing. But maybe everything. You should panic if you aren't already doing so. Or chill out.

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A few DC tards showed up 1 got booted, a bunch of people who don't live in KC told everyone how they should vote, the rest of us are putting the pieces together post vote

That's the really nasty part. That's plenty of time to plan a move.

It's almost like Clark wanted people to vote no...

FELONY

oops wrong thread

TULSA

Chiefs fans after putting all the pieces together...

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Why would an NFL team put a poison pill in the co-...oooOOOOOOOH....

At least it's consistent with some people's narratives.

You got booted?

Geez more overreaction planet BS.

Now that I am not at work I was able to search and find out that the voters voted against the tax extension.
I also now know that there are 7 more years before the leases expire.

another election is a year out and that's a risk with the beat down this vote was and if it failed again, you would be up against a pretty tight deadline to get something in place for 2031. Chiefs just gained all the leverage and will use it with impunity because of this NO vote.

Deal will have to be in place long before that. In the next two years they will have the moving plan.

Who ever put this up for vote, couldn't get a try out. For the Denver Broncos QB position even if related to John Elway

Yeah the solution might be Jackson County giving the stadium to the Chief's/Hunt. Promise not to move for “X” number of years, it’s yours for free.

Nah. This is easy. This vote allows the Chiefs to finally get out of the shithole that is JaCo. They will be in KS in 7 years where they can develop an area away from shitsville.

Sad for Arrowhead, but most likely true.

Trouble is the politicos do what they do and screw everything up.

Crossroads was KC politicians choice. Granted it's probably the best choice, but East Village was ready to go.

Royals biggest problem has been they have been trying to please everyone. You can't do that. You got to tell a bunch of them to **** off.

East Village had some hurdles with MoDot. EC worked because Cordish was on board. Still think the Royals don't see the ballot again and get private funding+ state & local. Chiefs go on the ballot and pass easily

LMAO

Billay spends more per month on hand lotion and Kleenex and Discuss Thrower spends more per week on therapy for his clinical depression.

Ron Ryckman is not a real name lmao

Let the meltdowns re-commence. Royals will follow suit and play at the T-Bones stadium. /s

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What's with the $1200 a month sign?
Also, how is this related to black power/Black Lives Matter?

I think they believe 1200 is an astronomical rent rate.

And it’s a group full of people that believe they are fighting systematic inequalities or something along those lines. I think one of the people chained themselves to a door at the courthouse once to really shake up the system

LMAO

They don't understand that landlords aren't getting rich... They cash flow and their expenses have gone drastically up. Didn't KCMO assessments go up by 30%. Well, the landlords taxes went up by 30% as well. Along with increases in utilities, snow removal, trash removal and general maintenance. Now calculate in the change in interest rates when they need to up their 5 year note on the property... Clueless people.

You cant get anything for that in Florida. Not even a room in a bad neighborhood.

I heard on 610 on the way home that the vote was 58/42.

That is correct.

There's a word for those who believe that it should be a crime to profit in providing housing.

I think that is a strong possibility. And that makes me wonder what this will do to us season ticket holders. If they move, will the stadium still hold 80k? Will I even be able to get the same level of quality of seats and for the same price? Will my seats be much more expensive? Will there be BS such as luxury licenses like other organizations in the NFL have done? So many questions. But alas, none of it matters as of now. not for 7 years, at least.

They have unrealistic ideals. You could get a decent 2br apartment in KC proper in 2019 for 1000/month. You could also buy a decent house in a nice neighborhood for 250k

Yes assessments went up dramatically and since Covid this market is nothing but an investor hotbed looking to extract maximum value out of a previously stable and very affordable area.

Which means you need to make a $1000 a week to make sure you can get by.

The sad part is a new stadium won't have the same steep grade as Arrowhead, so you'll feel like you're two miles from the field.

$1200 does seem a little high to me but then, I lived in some real crappy places when I was young and poor. It is not high for a place in KC. And especially not with the inflation we've had over the past few years.

Squatters? :D

Well, that's good and bad, I suppose. I mean, it feels like I need a sherpa to get to my seats some days. LMAO

Rent is normally calculated as one percent of the property value. So a home that is valued at $120,000 would rent for $1200.

Yes at least

I had no idea the A’s might be moving to Las Vegas.