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DJ's left nut 01-22-2025 10:53 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 17928116)
The issue here is that Allen had 40 drop backs when we played back in November and we didn’t sack him once. Given how good they’ve been at protecting the QB this season, I’d expect that trend to continue. So there’s a good chance Coleman could become an issue in his return.
I don't think we'll play the same style of defense we played in November. At all.

I don't think we'll play the style of defense everyone else has used against Allen. I think we'll be more aggressive.

It's time to come home with your shield or on it -- Spags isn't going to go down watching Allen smile and dial for 5 seconds every time he drops back. He's going to bring heat. And we're going to go out there with more man coverages that force the WRs to win their individual matchups.

And then we're going to hope the LBs are able to keep Allen from having a field day when he sees the DBs backs are turned and tries to get upfield. And maybe force a fumble in there.

I expect Spags is going to make Allen execute. He's going to give him chances by playing a more aggressive style, but he's going to make Allen prove he can get the job done with them. Repeatedly.

We'll give up some big plays to Allen on the ground, IMO. But we're going to make him keep proving that he can do it. I don't expect us to just let him dissect us with a contain rush like we did last time.

Because lets not forget that despite all that, we were literally 3 inches away from Karlaftis forcing a game altering fumble. And that's when we rarely dialed anything up.

Do it often and we'll get to him a time or two. And that may be all it takes.

staylor26 01-22-2025 10:53 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 17928116)
The issue here is that Allen had 40 drop backs when we played back in November and we didn’t sack him once. Given how good they’ve been at protecting the QB this season, I’d expect that trend to continue. So there’s a good chance Coleman could become an issue in his return.



Yeah, those types of receivers don’t seem to do well with us. Coleman’s nearest comp to recent Chiefs receivers is basically Hopkins. He’s been good for us in spot duty but I’m not sure even prime D Hop would put up elite numbers here.



I bring up stats, you say I’m box score watching. I say he passes my eye test and you say you don’t believe I’ve actually watched him.

What’s the point of this conversation?



Their ceiling is irrelevant in this discussion. We’re comparing them right now.



Idk, man. Maybe you didn’t watch the Bills much this year.

He’s looked pretty good. Great at the contested catch, strong enough to run through arm tackles for RAC, fast enough to be a legitimate threat, obvious big play ability, big body receiver ideal for quick slants, works to get open after the QB breaks from the pocket..

You don’t just average nearly 20 YPR for no reason. This season will likely be an obvious statistical outlier in that regard, but that’s incredible for a rookie. Any rookie.

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I brought it up because I was talking in terms of production. Worthy's ceiling jsut this year was clearly 1,000 yards and 10 TDs with all the missed opportunities. Coleman overachieved in terms of production. I don't see that guy ever having 1,000 yards and Worthy should've legit been 1,000 yard guy this year. That's the point.

smithandrew051 01-22-2025 10:54 AM
Who knows? Coleman may well be a great player going forward, but that doesn’t matter for this week.

He clearly has been held in check for a few months now. Maybe an injury? Maybe tape?

Whatever it is, plenty of teams have made him a nonfactor recently.

RunKC 01-22-2025 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 17927869)
Nick Jacobs says we didn’t deploy a spy a single time in the November matchup.

Uhhh. Did Spags pull another 2022 Cincy card where he did absolutely nothing in the regular season matchup that he knew they’d use in the playoffs? Effectively rendering it a mostly useless tape?
Yes and most of us watching that game knew they would. I knew from the moment they weren’t putting a spy on Allen that Spags was running things vanilla.

Everyone keeps fearing Josh Allen running. If it’s 3rd and 3 or more Spags is going to put McDuffie on Shakir, Watson on ours we their WR2 is and blitz the shit out of Allen to clog those running lanes and force him to hurry against us.

As much as people hate Nazeeh Johnson, he’s a force on those blitzes bc he’s the second fastest DB on the team running a 4.38. Also a very good tackler.

This is the type of game I think you’ll see the corner blitzes

staylor26 01-22-2025 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 17928122)
Coleman has one big play since October. Otherwise, he has done jack shit since the Bills played the Seahawks on 10/27.

After missing 4 games, he has 9 catches for 149 yards and 1 TD over 6 games. 64 of those yards came on his one big play against whatever was left of Detroit’s defense.

If he has a big game it will be the exception to what he’s been recently.
Yea, shocker that a lot of his earlier production wasn't sustainable. That's exactly the point I'm trying to make.

smithandrew051 01-22-2025 10:56 AM
I think the intangible side of being 1 game away from the Super Bowl is important this week.

I’m sure Jones and Kelce coast at times throughout the year, and I don’t blame them for it.

Those guys are going to be locked in this week. Every snap. Every detail. They know what awaits.

smithandrew051 01-22-2025 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 17928134)
Yea, shocker that a lot of his earlier production wasn't sustainable. That's exactly the point I'm trying to make.
He may well be dealing with an injury or something, but who cares?

The Chiefs should shut him down like every other team has recently.

htismaqe 01-22-2025 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by SHOWTIME (Post 17928123)
My biggest worry is even if we blanket their receivers, who is going to spy Allen? He constanly gets key first downs with his legs and it's annoying...
They're not going to spy Allen as much as you might think. They have to defend the entire running game, not just Allen. Using a spy too often just opens the defense up to getting burned by RPO's.

BWillie 01-22-2025 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 17927869)
Nick Jacobs says we didn’t deploy a spy a single time in the November matchup.

Uhhh. Did Spags pull another 2022 Cincy card where he did absolutely nothing in the regular season matchup that he knew they’d use in the playoffs? Effectively rendering it a mostly useless tape?
Yes. Absolutely.

DJ's left nut 01-22-2025 10:59 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 17928136)
I think the intangible side of being 1 game away from the Super Bowl is important this week.

I’m sure Jones and Kelce coast at times throughout the year, and I don’t blame them for it.

Those guys are going to be locked in this week. Every snap. Every detail. They know what awaits.
Jones health is of some concern to me.

I'm guessing the broadcast showed it, but I saw him on the table a couple of times last game having his hammy/calf worked on. If that things still bothering him, it could easily act up on him at any time.

RunKC 01-22-2025 11:11 AM
For everyone bitching about us flopping and utilizing the refs, the Bills did exactly that last time.

They are gonna go after Jawaan and try to take a dive and throw their hands up and get a holding call. It worked last time

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Land Clark fell for it hook line and sinker. Ed Oliver gets his hands inside on Jawaan Taylor’s framework. Once he sees Mahomes is about to get by him, he drops the right knee and reaches out his right arm to create a hold called. <a href="https://t.co/YFMxqKvbundle of sticks">pic.twitter.com/YFMxqKvbundle of sticks</a></p>&mdash; Nick Jacobs (@Jacobs71) <a href="https://twitter.com/Jacobs71/status/1858959183493669060?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 19, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

crispystl 01-22-2025 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 17928136)
I think the intangible side of being 1 game away from the Super Bowl is important this week.

I’m sure Jones and Kelce coast at times throughout the year, and I don’t blame them for it.

Those guys are going to be locked in this week. Every snap. Every detail. They know what awaits.
MORE MORE MORE!

ChiTown 01-22-2025 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 17928117)
Assuming the Chiefs can bottle up the run, the Bills passing game is going to be where this game is decided.

Cooper -- Shakir -- Coleman -- Samuel -- Kincaid -- Knox

vs

McDuffie -- Watson -- Williams -- Johnson -- Reid -- Conner

Our linebackers keying on Cook and Ty Johnson. Spags strategically sending blitzes.

It's a tall, tall order. We're as equipped as anyone to deal with it. But it's a tall, tall order.
Of those 6 receivers - you can only play 4 at a time unless you are going empty. And honestly, the only WR that scares me is Shakir, and the only TE that bothers me is Kincaid. The rest of them are no better than what you see every Sunday. I'm not sure what you are spazzing over here. The running game is the key, IMO. You stop that, and you are in tall cotton.

DJ's left nut 01-22-2025 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17928155)
For everyone bitching about us flopping and utilizing the refs, the Bills did exactly that last time.

They are gonna go after Jawaan and try to take a dive and throw their hands up and get a holding call. It worked last time
Taylor gets ****ed on calls more than any player in the league and it's not even close.

I've seen at least 2 and I believe I recall 3 absolutely perfect pancake blocks (yours being one of them) flagged as holds against him. And a couple of those false start/illegal formation penalties called on him that just flat weren't.

I'll forever hate Collinsworth for this bullshit. It's ENTIRELY on him. And if/when they start letting people take liberties with Mahomes because Aikman is a ****ing ****, he'll be buried just as deeply on my shit list.

These broadcasters whining about the game are just so bad for the sport. I don't understand how the NFL hasn't laid into the networks for it.

Monticore 01-22-2025 11:23 AM
I fear the RB in the passing game more than anything , bad matchup for our LB and we are notorious for not cover g the flat, their quick wr screen game is something we have defended well in the past . 50/50 and Allen scrambling will happen but this open backs out if the back field are annoying as hell.

staylor26 01-22-2025 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17928163)
Taylor gets ****ed on calls more than any player in the league and it's not even close.

I've seen at least 2 and I believe I recall 3 absolutely perfect pancake blocks (yours being one of them) flagged as holds against him. And a couple of those false start/illegal formation penalties called on him that just flat weren't.

I'll forever hate Collinsworth for this bullshit. It's ENTIRELY on him. And if/when they start letting people take liberties with Mahomes because Aikman is a ****ing ****, he'll be buried just as deeply on my shit list.

These broadcasters whining about the game are just so bad for the sport. I don't understand how the NFL hasn't laid into the networks for it.
What's hilarious is that all the reeruns on Twitter and other platforms use Taylor as an example of how the refs favor the Chiefs.

You heard that right.

smithandrew051 01-22-2025 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17928163)
These broadcasters whining about the game are just so bad for the sport. I don't understand how the NFL hasn't laid into the networks for it.
I think fans trick themselves into believing in their teams every year. We all know there are only a few real contenders every season, but fans still tune in.

Blaming the refs gives the fans an excuse for their team sucking and makes it easier to believe “next time will be different if the refs don’t **** us”.

There are very few actually unbiased fans out there. I think the NFL likes playing into this a bit.

It’s kinda like protecting a babyface who loses in pro wrestling. He’ll almost always have an out, so he won’t be weakened in the eyes of the fan.

Same deal here.

*tinfoil hat off now*

htismaqe 01-22-2025 11:28 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17928163)
Taylor gets ****ed on calls more than any player in the league and it's not even close.

I've seen at least 2 and I believe I recall 3 absolutely perfect pancake blocks (yours being one of them) flagged as holds against him. And a couple of those false start/illegal formation penalties called on him that just flat weren't.

I'll forever hate Collinsworth for this bullshit. It's ENTIRELY on him. And if/when they start letting people take liberties with Mahomes because Aikman is a ****ing ****, he'll be buried just as deeply on my shit list.

These broadcasters whining about the game are just so bad for the sport. I don't understand how the NFL hasn't laid into the networks for it.
****ing Aikman. You know damn well Mr "get back to me when he has 1/3 of my rings" is worried that by the end of all this, he will be the one with 1/3 of Mahomes' rings.

DJ's left nut 01-22-2025 11:31 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 17928181)
****ing Aikman. You know damn well Mr "get back to me when he has 1/3 of my rings" is worried that by the end of all this, he will be the one with 1/3 of Mahomes' rings.
Like I said at the time - Mahomes has already put Aikman firmly in his rearview. There is NOBODY that will put Aikman on the same level as Mahomes historically (except for, oddly, Clay).

Troy needs to get over that shit. The argument is over - go home.

If Brady wanted to do that sort of thing I'd understand it. But NOBODY considers you Mahomes peer anymore, Troy. And nothing you say in that booth will change that.

brdempsey69 01-22-2025 11:33 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17928163)
I don't understand how the NFL hasn't laid into the networks for it.
This might provide somewhat of an explanation:

Quote:
I saved an article (1998) from the Pittsburgh Post Gazette on the 10th anniversary of Art Rooney’s death. The article cover the history of art Rooney and the Steelers. the following statement is the excerpt from the article:

If anything, Rooney is remembered more fondly. He represented a kinder, gentler Pittsburgh, certainly a more innocent time in the professional sports world. He came long before before talk of Plan B, PNC Park, personal seat licenses, $17.6 billion television contracts, $25 million contracts for players and $2 million salaries for coaches.

"I don't think he'd be too thrilled about what's going on today," said Dan Rooney, who has run the Steelers since his father's death. "I can remember him telling me, 'You'll rue the day you take all that money from the networks. It won't be our game as much anymore. It'll be their game.' "

"He even told us late in his life that it would be OK if we ever decided to sell the team," Rooney Jr. said. "He reminded us we weren't big-money people . . .

Hammock Parties 01-22-2025 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17928187)
There is NOBODY that will put Aikman on the same level as Mahomes historically (except for, oddly, Clay).
I have never done that. I do defend Aikman, because he was a damn good QB. He was not a game manager.

New World Order 01-22-2025 11:37 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 17928194)
I have never done that. I do defend Aikman, because he was a damn good QB. He was not a game manager.
I don’t know Clayster, those numbers are very game managerish

Aikman was good, and could have probably carried the franchise, but hard to ignore those numbers

Hammock Parties 01-22-2025 11:42 AM
OH SHIT

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Christian Benford in concussion protocol. He will be limited today. <br><br>Taylor Rapp will NOT practice. He&#39;s day to day. <br><br>Matt Milano is limited with hamstring soreness.</p>&mdash; Matthew Bové (@Matt_Bove) <a href="https://twitter.com/Matt_Bove/status/1882112206084702317?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 22, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

St. Patty's Fire 01-22-2025 11:43 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by New World Order (Post 17928196)
I don’t know Clayster, those numbers are very game managerish

Aikman was good, and could have probably carried the franchise, but hard to ignore those numbers
he did put up elite numbers in their sb runs

Hammock Parties 01-22-2025 11:43 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by New World Order (Post 17928196)
I don’t know Clayster, those numbers are very game managerish

Aikman was good, and could have probably carried the franchise, but hard to ignore those numbers
Those numbers don't indicate anything. It was a different era, and the Cowboys had one wide receiver worth writing home about.

Applying 2024 analysis to 1993 football is about as dumb as it gets.

Mecca 01-22-2025 11:44 AM
Aikman was a good QB on a great team, he wasn't the best QB of his era or really even close.

St. Patty's Fire 01-22-2025 11:44 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 17928199)
OH SHIT

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Christian Benford in concussion protocol. He will be limited today. <br><br>Taylor Rapp will NOT practice. He&#39;s day to day. <br><br>Matt Milano is limited with hamstring soreness.</p>&mdash; Matthew Bové (@Matt_Bove) <a href="https://twitter.com/Matt_Bove/status/1882112206084702317?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 22, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
milano will play and prob wont even look injured unless he aggravates it during the game

benford being out forbthem would be tough though

Hammock Parties 01-22-2025 11:45 AM
If you don't think Milano can't aggravate a hamstring during a game, you ain't watched Matt Milano.

If he's not 100% this could be huge for Mahomes rushing and Kelce over the middle.

Hammock Parties 01-22-2025 11:47 AM
#AFCChampionship Injury Watch:

(1) Taron Johnson (BUF, CB) - Video suggests partial shoulder dislocation. Likely playing w/o major dip, but re-injury risk = high

(2) Taylor Rapp (BUF, S) - High risk of sitting. Hip injury. Video suggests sprain +/- labrum. Suspect he attempts to play w/injection. Practice reports will give clarity

(3) Christian Benford (BUF, CB) - Concussion. Possible to clear, but most players would miss 1 game

(4) Matt Milano (BUF, LB) - Missed part of last drive. Reportedly hamstring. Lean towards playing but practice reports = key

ThaVirus 01-22-2025 11:49 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17928129)
I don't think we'll play the same style of defense we played in November. At all.

I don't think we'll play the style of defense everyone else has used against Allen. I think we'll be more aggressive.

It's time to come home with your shield or on it -- Spags isn't going to go down watching Allen smile and dial for 5 seconds every time he drops back. He's going to bring heat. And we're going to go out there with more man coverages that force the WRs to win their individual matchups.

And then we're going to hope the LBs are able to keep Allen from having a field day when he sees the DBs backs are turned and tries to get upfield. And maybe force a fumble in there.

I expect Spags is going to make Allen execute. He's going to give him chances by playing a more aggressive style, but he's going to make Allen prove he can get the job done with them. Repeatedly.

We'll give up some big plays to Allen on the ground, IMO. But we're going to make him keep proving that he can do it. I don't expect us to just let him dissect us with a contain rush like we did last time.

Because lets not forget that despite all that, we were literally 3 inches away from Karlaftis forcing a game altering fumble. And that's when we rarely dialed anything up.

Do it often and we'll get to him a time or two. And that may be all it takes.
At this point I’ve given up assuming we’ll come out with anything that can stop Allen. That dude hasn’t had what I’d consider a bad game against us since 2020. And that’s basically a lifetime ago by NFL standards.

Quote:
Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 17928131)
I brought it up because I was talking in terms of production. Worthy's ceiling jsut this year was clearly 1,000 yards and 10 TDs with all the missed opportunities. Coleman overachieved in terms of production. I don't see that guy ever having 1,000 yards and Worthy should've legit been 1,000 yard guy this year. That's the point.
Yeah, I know how your homer brain works. You’re mentally calculating the Mahomes overthrows and missed reads for Worthy and not doing the same for Coleman.

TwistedChief 01-22-2025 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 17928199)
OH SHIT

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Christian Benford in concussion protocol. He will be limited today. <br><br>Taylor Rapp will NOT practice. He&#39;s day to day. <br><br>Matt Milano is limited with hamstring soreness.</p>&mdash; Matthew Bové (@Matt_Bove) <a href="https://twitter.com/Matt_Bove/status/1882112206084702317?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 22, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
The fact that Benford is limited is actually a positive for them if anything.

staylor26 01-22-2025 11:55 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 17928215)
At this point I’ve given up assuming we’ll come out with anything that can stop Allen. That dude hasn’t had what I’d consider a bad game against us since 2020. And that’s basically a lifetime ago by NFL standards.



Yeah, I know how your homer brain works. You’re mentally calculating the Mahomes overthrows and missed reads for Worthy and not doing the same for Coleman.
Wait, are you honestly trying to say that Coleman and Allen have anywhere near the missed wide open opportunities that Worthy and Mahomes had? Allen has been as bad as Mahomes with the deep ball this year? News to me! Must be an entire highlight reel of near misses out there then. Let's see it!

Even if Allen misses Coleman deep, he's not running wide open like Worthy. You understand that, right? Coleman "wins" deep, it's still usually a 50/50 ball. If Worthy wins deep, it's typically not contested barring a bad throw.

OnTheWarpath15 01-22-2025 11:55 AM
Early week injury designations mean nothing.

And for what it's worth, I'd rather Buffalo be full strength. I want no excuses when we beat them.

staylor26 01-22-2025 11:57 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 17928216)
The fact that Benford is limited is actually a positive for them if anything.
Like I said, this will be the second week in a row that a player passes protocol for them in less than a week. How convenient! :rolleyes:

ThaVirus 01-22-2025 12:01 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 17928132)
Who knows? Coleman may well be a great player going forward, but that doesn’t matter for this week.

He clearly has been held in check for a few months now. Maybe an injury? Maybe tape?

Whatever it is, plenty of teams have made him a nonfactor recently.
Sure, that could easily be the case. I never even suggested any different, just that his addition is a big change compared to the last time we played.

This was the post I originally made that dipshit Staylor took offense to:

Quote:
Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 17927936)
Shit, I didn’t realize that..

So it’s basically like us getting back Jawaan Taylor, Noah Gray, Xavier Worthy, and Nick Bolton for them.

While we actually get back Hollywood, Jaylen Watson and Pacheco.

Those are some big movers and shakers on each side. I wouldn’t be surprised if this game looks completely different than the one earlier this year.
Anyone with a brain can see the parallels there.

They get back their starting RT. What would that look like for KC? Getting back Taylor.

They get back their starting MLB. Would be like us getting back Bolton.

They get back their backup TE. By golly, that’s kind like us getting Gray back from injury.

They get back their rookie WR who is coincidentally their second-leading receiver? Hmm. Wonder what’s the closest analog for KC…

Dude’s just an insecure weirdo who thought I was comparing their talent or something. He’s confused. I think he has low T.

DJ's left nut 01-22-2025 12:01 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15 (Post 17928221)
Early week injury designations mean nothing.

And for what it's worth, I'd rather Buffalo be full strength. I want no excuses when we beat them.
Especially come playoff time.

If someone is a DNP on Friday, that MIGHT matter. Probably still won't.

I'll assume every last one of them is going to play on Sunday.

Direckshun 01-22-2025 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17928163)
Taylor gets ****ed on calls more than any player in the league and it's not even close.

I've seen at least 2 and I believe I recall 3 absolutely perfect pancake blocks (yours being one of them) flagged as holds against him. And a couple of those false start/illegal formation penalties called on him that just flat weren't.

I'll forever hate Collinsworth for this bullshit. It's ENTIRELY on him. And if/when they start letting people take liberties with Mahomes because Aikman is a ****ing ****, he'll be buried just as deeply on my shit list.

These broadcasters whining about the game are just so bad for the sport. I don't understand how the NFL hasn't laid into the networks for it.
lmao this isn't super relevant, but remember when the Chiefs called Snow Globe against the Raiders and Humphrey so utterly devastated his linebacker that the refs threw a flag.

It was like the scene from Semi-Pro where the ref had no idea what a dunk was so he just called it a foul.

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The play, because Creed Humphrey is a national treasure:

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staylor26 01-22-2025 12:02 PM
https://i.imgur.com/gcb2R5s.png

RedinTexas 01-22-2025 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15 (Post 17928221)

I want no excuses when we beat them.
Yeah. I think you need to keep your hopes based within reason.

OnTheWarpath15 01-22-2025 12:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17928227)
Especially come playoff time.

If someone is a DNP on Friday, that MIGHT matter. Probably still won't.

I'll assume every last one of them is going to play on Sunday.
Exactly.

IIRC, Mixon's status was downgraded twice last week, finishing with a DNP.

Then dude proceeded to run all over us.

Hammock Parties 01-22-2025 12:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17928227)
Especially come playoff time.

If someone is a DNP on Friday, that MIGHT matter. Probably still won't.

I'll assume every last one of them is going to play on Sunday.
There's no way Rapp plays with that injury.

Bills fans already think Milano is slow, weak and old, and if his hamstring is acting up that could be something that hugely shifts the game in our favor.

staylor26 01-22-2025 12:06 PM
Yea, Milano playing with 6 days rest with an injured hamstring just screams re-injury.

pugsnotdrugs19 01-22-2025 12:17 PM
Milano can play IDGAF. The Benford one is sus but whatever.

We are beating ass again. A fourth time actually. It is what it is.

Hammock Parties 01-22-2025 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 17928241)
Yea, Milano playing with 6 days rest with an injured hamstring just screams re-injury.
All he gotta do is chase Mahomes out of the pocket once. ROFL

Reid should get Mahomes moving EARLY in this game.

ThaVirus 01-22-2025 12:23 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 17928220)
Wait, are you honestly trying to say that Coleman and Allen have anywhere near the missed wide open opportunities that Worthy and Mahomes had? Allen has been as bad as Mahomes with the deep ball this year? News to me! Must be an entire highlight reel of near misses out there then. Let's see it!

Even if Allen misses Coleman deep, he's not running wide open like Worthy. You understand that, right? Coleman "wins" deep, it's still usually a 50/50 ball. If Worthy wins deep, it's typically not contested barring a bad throw.
No, I’m saying I recognize that you’re being extremely gracious in extending Worthy the benefit of the doubt and failing to give Coleman the same treatment.

For one thing, we can’t just assume Worthy would have made all of the catches he was overthrown this season. He was 42nd in targets this season, 55th is catches, yet tied for 13th in drops. It’s not like the dude is prime Larry Fitzgerald with the hands. He’s also clearly got an issue with getting his feet down in bounds.

In addition to that, you have no idea how many yards were potentially left on the field for Coleman. You’re just ignoring that aspect completely because it doesn’t fit your narrative (a narrative you basically created out of thin air by the way).

Hammock Parties 01-22-2025 12:25 PM
Groin, hamstring, knee LMAO

Dude is going to be flayed after a possession.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">He did hit Lamar Jackson on the final play and their right legs collided but didn’t fit the mechanism for a hamstring. He didn’t appear to pull up indicating the hamstring got tight either.<br><br>He did have the groin issue a few wks ago which could tie back into all of this. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Bills?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Bills</a> <a href="https://t.co/D0BX36T8bh">https://t.co/D0BX36T8bh</a></p>&mdash; Banged Up Bills (@BangedUpBills) <a href="https://twitter.com/BangedUpBills/status/1882116159425929327?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 22, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Hammock Parties 01-22-2025 12:27 PM
DUST THEM Andy

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Ronnie Stanley is all of us <a href="https://t.co/o4p9c4EEG0">pic.twitter.com/o4p9c4EEG0</a></p>&mdash; Nate Tice (@Nate_Tice) <a href="https://twitter.com/Nate_Tice/status/1882131558104195305?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 22, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

St. Patty's Fire 01-22-2025 12:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15 (Post 17928235)
Exactly.

IIRC, Mixon's status was downgraded twice last week, finishing with a DNP.

Then dude proceeded to run all over us.
yeah for most of these injuries theyll just inject them w a pain suppressant and they wont even feel it

St. Patty's Fire 01-22-2025 12:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 17928261)
Groin, hamstring, knee LMAO

Dude is going to be flayed after a possession.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">He did hit Lamar Jackson on the final play and their right legs collided but didn’t fit the mechanism for a hamstring. He didn’t appear to pull up indicating the hamstring got tight either.<br><br>He did have the groin issue a few wks ago which could tie back into all of this. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Bills?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Bills</a> <a href="https://t.co/D0BX36T8bh">https://t.co/D0BX36T8bh</a></p>&mdash; Banged Up Bills (@BangedUpBills) <a href="https://twitter.com/BangedUpBills/status/1882116159425929327?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 22, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
groin would be worse than hammy for sure

now a groin injury could def affect how he plays

Bl00dyBizkitz 01-22-2025 12:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 17928263)
DUST THEM Andy

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Ronnie Stanley is all of us <a href="https://t.co/o4p9c4EEG0">pic.twitter.com/o4p9c4EEG0</a></p>&mdash; Nate Tice (@Nate_Tice) <a href="https://twitter.com/Nate_Tice/status/1882131558104195305?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 22, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Oh my god thats painful to watch

staylor26 01-22-2025 12:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 17928259)
No, I’m saying I recognize that you’re being extremely gracious in extending Worthy the benefit of the doubt and failing to give Coleman the same treatment.

For one thing, we can’t just assume Worthy would have made all of the catches he was overthrown this season. He was 42nd in targets this season, 55th is catches, yet tied for 13th in drops. It’s not like the dude is prime Larry Fitzgerald with the hands. He’s also clearly got an issue with getting his feet down in bounds.

In addition to that, you have no idea how many yards were potentially left on the field for Coleman. You’re just ignoring that aspect completely because it doesn’t fit your narrative (a narrative you basically created out of thin air by the way).
Anybody with half a brain can see all the times Mahomes missed a wide open Worthy and know that is extremely rare and an anomaly considering how good Mahomes usually is.

But the stats support this as well:


https://i.imgur.com/gcb2R5s.png

Most of those guys are on that list becuase of garbage QB play.

Like I said, Allen got the absolute most out of Coleman, whereas Mahomes left so much on the bone that Worthy could've easily had another 400 yards and 3 TDs.

Monticore 01-22-2025 12:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15 (Post 17928235)
Exactly.

IIRC, Mixon's status was downgraded twice last week, finishing with a DNP.

Then dude proceeded to run all over us.
Probably more gamesmanship cone playoff time .

MahomesMagic 01-22-2025 12:59 PM
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ThyKingdomCome15 01-22-2025 01:03 PM
The hype train on Buffalo had a lot more steam last year.

philfree 01-22-2025 01:14 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 17928241)
Yea, Milano playing with 6 days rest with an injured hamstring just screams re-injury.
You're talking this week? We have an extra day because we played on Saturday. The Bills played on Sunday so they have a regular week.

RunKC 01-22-2025 01:19 PM
Good Christ they are asking Mahomes at his presser about refs. GTFO of here with that bullshit

staylor26 01-22-2025 01:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by philfree (Post 17928354)
You're talking this week? We have an extra day because we played on Saturday. The Bills played on Sunday so they have a regular week.
Yes, the Bills have a regular week, which means 6 days of rest (Mon-Sat). Typically guys miss ay least a week even for minor hamstring injuries, because the chance of re-injury is pretty high.

staylor26 01-22-2025 01:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17928359)
Good Christ they are asking Mahomes at his presser about refs. GTFO of here with that bullshit
KC media can go **** itself. Shame on them for giving this shit any time in a PC.

philfree 01-22-2025 01:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 17928360)
Yes, the Bills have a regular week, which means 6 days of rest (Mon-Sat). Typically guys misss a week even for minor hamstring injuries, because the chance of re-injury is pretty high.
You were kind of making it sound like a short week but okay.

Rainbarrel 01-22-2025 01:29 PM
Buffalo reporters are probably there. There was some Josh fluffing questions

ptlyon 01-22-2025 01:33 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17928359)
Good Christ they are asking Mahomes at his presser about refs. GTFO of here with that bullshit
Accidental down thumb

Bob Dole 01-22-2025 02:14 PM
87 wears yellow cleats, KC wins.

DJ's left nut 01-22-2025 02:23 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 17928263)
DUST THEM Andy

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Ronnie Stanley is all of us <a href="https://t.co/o4p9c4EEG0">pic.twitter.com/o4p9c4EEG0</a></p>&mdash; Nate Tice (@Nate_Tice) <a href="https://twitter.com/Nate_Tice/status/1882131558104195305?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 22, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
I am still just gobsmacked by the number of easy throws Lamar Jackson gets every single game.

I mean he has 6-8 throws every game where there's just nobody anywhere near his pass catcher. It HAS to be because so many teams use a spy on him.

For all the "Man, how does Kelce always get that wide open?" stuff I just cannot help but wonder how EVERYONE gets so wide open on the Ravens. And look at the 'effort' from his OL on that play. For the last second, nobody is even TRYING to block anyone.

Defenses do the weirdest shit against Jackson and Allen, man. And they just make things so easy for them.

(And while that was clearly a drop on Henry, Jackson should've put more on that ball. Those floaters that are running out of gas as they get to you can be harder to catch than a piss missile. Just sayin'...)

ThyKingdomCome15 01-22-2025 02:47 PM
We got this. Patrick rewatched the pick he threw on the second play of the game and is motivated bigly. Worthy too.

New World Order 01-22-2025 02:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 17928363)
KC media can go **** itself. Shame on them for giving this shit any time in a PC.
I hate them

Hammock Parties 01-22-2025 02:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ThyKingdomCome15 (Post 17928489)
We got this. Patrick rewatched the pick he threw on the second play of the game and is motivated bigly. Worthy too.
Start of the game is no time for heroics.

dlphg9 01-22-2025 03:44 PM
This Bills defense is a paper tiger. They've been propped up by an over abundance of turnovers. Their D has gotten 35 turnovers in 19 games.

They've allowed the 3rd most first downs and their pass D is bad. They're 24th in pass yards and 24th in pass TDs allowed.

The turnovers have allowed them to be 11th in points allowed, but really should be much lower.

If we don't turn the ball over multiple times, then there is no way we don't win this game and I don't think it will be particularly close.

duncan_idaho 01-22-2025 03:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17928443)
I am still just gobsmacked by the number of easy throws Lamar Jackson gets every single game.

I mean he has 6-8 throws every game where there's just nobody anywhere near his pass catcher. It HAS to be because so many teams use a spy on him.

For all the "Man, how does Kelce always get that wide open?" stuff I just cannot help but wonder how EVERYONE gets so wide open on the Ravens. And look at the 'effort' from his OL on that play. For the last second, nobody is even TRYING to block anyone.

Defenses do the weirdest shit against Jackson and Allen, man. And they just make things so easy for them.

(And while that was clearly a drop on Henry, Jackson should've put more on that ball. Those floaters that are running out of gas as they get to you can be harder to catch than a piss missile. Just sayin'...)
What really blows me away watching Lamar Jackson play is how consistently he has a great pocket and an easy throw and then... just doesn't maximize the throw. He makes the completionm but leaves meat on the bone because the ball placement isn't great or even good.

htismaqe 01-22-2025 03:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dlphg9 (Post 17928575)
This Bills defense is a paper tiger. They've been propped up by an over abundance of turnovers. Their D has gotten 35 turnovers in 19 games.

They've allowed the 3rd most first downs and their pass D is bad. They're 24th in pass yards and 24th in pass TDs allowed.

The turnovers have allowed them to be 11th in points allowed, but really should be much lower.

If we don't turn the ball over multiple times, then there is no way we don't win this game and I don't think it will be particularly close.
Petro said something yesterday. They looked up total fumbles and passes that were turnover worthy (a defender had a chance to pick it off) and then looked at how many of them were actually turnovers.

The league average is right around 50%. The Chiefs were at 53%.

The Bills this year? 24 of 29. 83%.

duncan_idaho 01-22-2025 03:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 17928583)
Petro said something yesterday. They looked up total fumbles and INTs and then looked at how many of them were actually turnovers.

The league average is right around 50%. The Chiefs were at 53%.

The Bills this year? 24 of 29. 83%.
Wow. That is a CRAZY outlier.

htismaqe 01-22-2025 03:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15 (Post 17928221)
Early week injury designations mean nothing.

And for what it's worth, I'd rather Buffalo be full strength. I want no excuses when we beat them.
Forget it. It won't matter how many they have injured. When the Chiefs win, it will be because of the refs. No other excuse will be accepted.

New World Order 01-22-2025 03:57 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 17928586)
Forget it. It won't matter how many they have injured. When the Chiefs win, it will be because of the refs. No other excuse will be accepted.
Ya idc.

We don’t have Rice, our best receiver. We’re not healthy.

Don’t give a damn how healthy or unhealthy they are. Bills fans nor the public will ever believe we won fair and square anyway.

duncan_idaho 01-22-2025 03:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 17928586)
Forget it. It won't matter how many they have injured. When the Chiefs win, it will be because of the refs. No other excuse will be accepted.
Yeah. Never mind that each of the Bills' last two wins against the Chiefs have been ones with significant penalty decisisions that went the Bills' way (the Toney offsides negating a TD; the Bills' offensive PI being allowed to go and lead to a wide, wide, wide open TD).

BWillie 01-22-2025 04:02 PM
I have decided we are going to roll the Bills. It will be a two possession game. It won't be as close as previous year. Buffalos success this year is Josh not turning the ball over (fine) and them forcing a ridiculous amount of turnovers on defense. Forcing turnovers from year to year IS a fluke stat. Yes some teams are better at it than normal but having an extremely high or extremely low total is LUCK.

Tribal Warfare 01-22-2025 04:03 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Buffalo Bills&#39; Dion Dawkins misses practice with illness ahead of Chiefs matchup<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/BillsMafia?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#BillsMafia</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/GoBills?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#GoBills</a> 👇 <a href="https://t.co/LjIuK3eWvz">https://t.co/LjIuK3eWvz</a></p>&mdash; Rochester, NY Buffalo Bills Backers (@BillsBackersROC) <a href="https://twitter.com/BillsBackersROC/status/1882179150724857948?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 22, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Direckshun 01-22-2025 04:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 17928583)
Petro said something yesterday. They looked up total fumbles and INTs and then looked at how many of them were actually turnovers.

The league average is right around 50%. The Chiefs were at 53%.

The Bills this year? 24 of 29. 83%.
I don't fully understand this. "Actually turnovers"?

htismaqe 01-22-2025 04:10 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 17928610)
I don't fully understand this. "Actually turnovers"?
It's the number of fumbles and turnover worthy plays that actually resulted in a turnover as opposed to being an incomplete pass or a recovery by the fumbling team.

The Chiefs had like 24 turnover worthy plays and like 14 of them actually turned out positive for the Chiefs.

The Bills had 29. But the outcome for them was positive 83% of the time. 30% higher than the Chiefs and 35% higher than the league average.

That kind of statistical outlier goes beyond opportunity. It's at least partially dumb luck.

Rainbarrel 01-22-2025 04:10 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 17928604)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Buffalo Bills&#39; Dion Dawkins misses practice with illness ahead of Chiefs matchup<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/BillsMafia?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#BillsMafia</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/GoBills?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#GoBills</a> 👇 <a href="https://t.co/LjIuK3eWvz">https://t.co/LjIuK3eWvz</a></p>&mdash; Rochester, NY Buffalo Bills Backers (@BillsBackersROC) <a href="https://twitter.com/BillsBackersROC/status/1882179150724857948?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 22, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
The Bills will want to arrive early in the week to pass the germs

smithandrew051 01-22-2025 04:15 PM
Seth Keysor just said on 810 the Chiefs should use Jaden Hicks as a spy on Allen.

Which one of you is Seth?

pugsnotdrugs19 01-22-2025 04:16 PM
This is going to be Jordan and the '98 Bulls vs. Utah.

The weight of what this team is accomplishing will finally get the respect and admiration it deserves Sunday night after what they do.


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