Speaking generally, it seems a lot of people think any mistake on the field from a unit stems from coaching.

I think players make plays.

There are certain decisions that can certainly be blamed on the coaches, but like 90% of the issues I saw yesterday, I wouldn't blame on Toub.

I don't blame Toub for the surprise onside kick that no one expects, giving up some long returns to one of the best returners in the league, Butker missing a PAT, or Fortson fumbling.

If it were one game, sure.

But whats the saying? "You're either coaching it or you're letting it happen.

Exactly. Nobody even notices coaching if the players execute. Coaching is so overrated sometimes.

A surprise onside kick like that is extremely rare and not something that'll show up on film/tendencies.

At that point, you'd literally need to say "hey, watch out for the onside!" on every single kickoff. Players just need to know it could come at any time.

Uhh, why wouldn't you blame him for the returns? Butker can easily kick it out of the end zone for a touchback, yet we're kicking it to just outside the goal line and forcing returns. You think that isn't Toub instructing him to do that?

Do you think Butler was intentionally kicking it short because Toub told him to? Come on, man.

Uhh, yes? He's placing it JUST outside the goal line to force returns.

Yeah, but Toub might get his pick of, what, like three or four players on the entire roster? A lot of what a special teams coach does is working with what he's given.

And when dudes are consistently missing PATs, muffing punts, fumbling on kickoffs fighting for an extra 2 yards with 5 seconds until half.. I mean, idk. He simply doesn't have a large enough pool of players to bench guys for ****ing up.

I'm not absolving him of all blame, by the way. I'm specifically talking about yesterday's game.

Our kick coverage is pretty good. I have no issue with trying to pin a bad offense deep into their own territory.

I'd have given up on that plan before Toub did yesterday, but giving them an extra 5, 10, 15 yards of field position a few times wasn't a game breaking issue, IMO.

It's been a continuing problem all year, not just a one off.

By that thought process, nothing is a coaches fault. He's not making said play or dropping said ball etc.

Didn't you know that Spags is also personally responsible for every blown coverage and missed tackle as if he designed the defense that way?

Yea. Jax did it to us several times as well.

Butker recently commented on the change he made to his kickoffs. He is now using a five step approach rather than his previous ten step, in order to keep from reinjuring his ankle. He is not generating as much power and therefore kicking it shorter. You can thank the AZ shitass field for that

Still managed to kick it deep into the end zone every kick in the 2nd half. Because Toub finally adjusted.

HC beat me to it.

Butler, in his own words, adjusted his start to avoid reinjuring his ankle. No ankle injury, no short kickoffs. It's that simple.