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GloryDayz 11-12-2015 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by patteeu (Post 11877863)
LMAO Now, that's unfortunate timing.

Wiat for it, WAIT for it..... "What other choice did they have?"



Well they had/have a lot of choices, but this is funny...

Reaper16 11-12-2015 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Jerm (Post 11877861)
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All white unis for the BYU game...humph....

I do adore how excited everyone is to see Harold Brantley. That was cute.

DJ's left nut 11-12-2015 02:51 PM

Interim President Mike Middleton:

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He also helped found the Legion of Black Collegians, a student group involved in the current protest, and himself participated in previous campus protests for civil rights and against the Vietnam War.

In that role, he was credited with turning women’s studies and black studies programs into their own departments.
"Okay! We put a hyper-liberal minority in charge, are you happy now?"

Yeah...never saw that one coming.

petegz28 11-12-2015 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 11878371)
Interim President Mike Middleton:



"Okay! We put a hyper-liberal minority in charge, are you happy now?"

Yeah...never saw that one coming.

As long as it isn't a "Safe Space" violating Asian...

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/A8UTj8lQJhY" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

ChiTown 11-12-2015 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 11878473)
As long as it isn't a "Safe Space" violating Asian...

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/A8UTj8lQJhY" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

ROFL - LOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

ChiTown 11-12-2015 04:17 PM

The execution performed by the Concerned Student 1950 Crowd summed up in 1 GIF:

https://media.giphy.com/media/H6MxVAi7wu15m/giphy.gif

Reaper16 11-12-2015 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 11878473)
As long as it isn't a "Safe Space" violating Asian...

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/A8UTj8lQJhY" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Part of the deal with discussions of racism is that people use the term to mean different things. Precisely, I'm differentiating between two major definitions. There's an older definition of racism as the belief that a race of people is superior to another race of people because of certain characteristics or etc. In this sense, the lady in this video is correct. Black Americans can hold those prejudices.

Other people use the definition of racism that has evolved over the last half century to mean that which creates, upholds, or reinforces a power system that seeks to unequally distribute rights, resources, and privileges among racial groups. (Increasingly, too, scholarship is coming to agree that race itself is a socially constructed category, meaning the concept of racism came before/created the concept of race rather than racism being some unavoidable byproduct of having different races live together). Importantly, this definition doesn't erase the concepts of prejudice or bigotry.

So if someone barges into a discussion saying "[insert non-white ethnic group here] can be racist too, not just white people!" Well, depending on which definition of racism the discussion group holds to, that comment is going to be met with derision or some "yeah, duh"s.

ChiTown 11-12-2015 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 11878537)
Part of the deal with discussions of racism is that people use the term to mean different things. Precisely, I'm differentiating between two major definitions. There's an older definition of racism as the belief that a race of people is superior to another race of people because of certain characteristics or etc. In this sense, the lady in this video is correct. Black Americans can hold those prejudices.

Other people use the definition of racism that has evolved over the last half century to mean that which creates, upholds, or reinforces a power system that seeks to unequally distribute rights, resources, and privileges among racial groups. (Increasingly, too, scholarship is coming to agree that race itself is a socially constructed category, meaning the concept of racism came before/created the concept of race rather than racism being some unavoidable byproduct of having different races live together). Importantly, this definition doesn't erase the concepts of prejudice or bigotry.

So if someone barges into a discussion saying "[insert non-white ethnic group here] can be racist too, not just white people!" Well, depending on which definition of racism the discussion group holds to, that comment is going to be met with derision or some "yeah, duh"s.

https://media.giphy.com/media/qxtxlL4sFFle/giphy.gif

Reaper16 11-12-2015 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiTown (Post 11878548)

I mean, you know how to embed a gif, so you're clearly intelligent enough to grasp the concept of the suffix "-ism" referring to systems or structures of power. (if what you're confused about is my parenthetical about racism creating race, well, that is admittedly less easy to grasp. But I could explain that too)

Since these tensions are happening on college campuses, it's relevant to realize how the word racism is used ON college campuses. And has been for decades.

ChiTown 11-12-2015 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 11878555)
I mean, you know how to embed a gif, so you're clearly intelligent enough to grasp the concept of the suffix "-ism" referring to systems or structures of power. (if what you're confused about is my parenthetical about racism creating race, well, that is admittedly less easy to grasp. But I could explain that too)

Since these tensions are happening on college campuses, it's relevant to realize how the word racism is used ON college campuses. And has been for decades.


Just, all of it:clap:

What I meant to say is, just all of it sounds like a load of crap. But hey, I'm OBVIOUSLY not an "intellectual" like you, so........

petegz28 11-12-2015 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiTown (Post 11878566)
Just, all of it:clap:

What I meant to say is, just all of it sounds like a load of crap. But hey, I'm OBVIOUSLY not an "intellectual" like you, so........

Hey, you and me? We're just simple folk that don't know what it's like to suffer the oppression of attending an upper tier school like MU.

Reaper16 11-12-2015 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiTown (Post 11878566)
Just, all of it:clap:

What I meant to say is, just all of it sounds like a load of crap. But hey, I'm OBVIOUSLY not an "intellectual" like you, so........

That's fine if you feel that way. I'm not any more intelligent than you are; I've just been in that kind of academic environment recently. I pointed it out to lend context to the video pete posted. That group wasn't like "oh, you need to go" to the Asian student because they don't think black persons are capable of racial prejudice. They were like "oh, you need to go" to the Asian student because they think "no, black people can't be racist 'too' because black people don't control the power systems creating racial inequalities." Really and truly, that was the reaction in that video. And I'm not sure that everyone realizes how scholars, students, and politicians (admittedly, most often politicians on the left) use the word racism in contrast to how they may have learned the word in school.

petegz28 11-12-2015 04:57 PM

All I am saying is, when I was in pre-school we learned this catchy little tune that went:

Sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me


Today we are coddling college level kids with "safe spaces" free from "microagressions"

bunch of bullshit

Reaper16 11-12-2015 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 11878583)
All I am saying is, when I was in pre-school we learned this catchy little tune that went:

Sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me


Today we are coddling college level kids with "safe spaces" free from "microagressions"

bunch of bullshit

The thing is though that words DO hurt, and it's arguably worse to collectively pretend that they don't.

And the thing about safe spaces that people ought to realize is that no one lives in a safe space. It's basically about having a therapeutic place -- a regular meeting, say -- where you can share your feelings with people who have similar experiences as you. Outside of a "safe space," people get mocked or belittled for sharing those feelings. People get confronted with "you're lying" or "that didn't happen" or "I don't believe you" or etc etc. by people who lack empathy or sympathy for those experiences. And to some degree that's fine. These students are in college after all, and they should expect their academic or political ideas to be questioned. But for certain disadvantaged groups (often we're talking about ethnic groups or LGBTQIA+ groups) they get A LOT more scrutiny than others, to the point of bullying and erasure. The idea of a safe space is to have a place where they can share without the constant challenging they get outside of the safe space. BY NO MEANS is an entire campus supposed to be a safe space; that's a misunderstanding of the concept.

"Microaggressions" shouldn't be a controversial term either. There's certain ways people get treated that aren't super confrontational but still serve to put down others, to treat them as lesser-than. Misgendering a person you know to be trans, for example. Or people walking across the street, clutching their purse, when a black person gets near. Or campus security letting white students walk into a building without checking ID but suddenly needing the young latina to produce a campus ID. These things aren't often blatantly hateful, but they wear on the people who experience them. I'd be surprised if anyone here doubts that these little prejudices happen in day to day life. Microaggressions is simply the word that's been decided upon to categorize these behaviors.

People are free to think that students these days are mentally weaker than in past generations because of their desire for these kinds of spaces and terms. I do think there's something to your guys' refrain that seeing oneself in constant victimhood can hold one back from the opportunities that ARE present. But I also think the same people suggesting that aren't being empathetic enough to the minority experience. It's simply emotionally harder to endure small daily prejudices than a lot of white Americans give it credit for. Ask your wives sometime about catcalling, and how much that wears down on them as women -- that's a thing that men can't fully understand too, because it simply doesn't happen to them. Similar thing.

petegz28 11-12-2015 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 11878612)
The thing is though that words DO hurt, and it's arguably worse to collectively pretend that they don't.

And the thing about safe spaces that people ought to realize is that no one lives in a safe space. It's basically about having a therapeutic place -- a regular meeting, say -- where you can share your feelings with people who have similar experiences as you. Outside of a "safe space," people get mocked or belittled for sharing those feelings. People get confronted with "you're lying" or "that didn't happen" or "I don't believe you" or etc etc. by people who lack empathy or sympathy for those experiences. And to some degree that's fine. These students are in college after all, and they should expect their academic or political ideas to be questioned. But for certain disadvantaged groups (often we're talking about ethnic groups or LGBTQIA+ groups) they get A LOT more scrutiny than others, to the point of bullying and erasure. The idea of a safe space is to have a place where they can share without the constant challenging they get outside of the safe space. BY NO MEANS is an entire campus supposed to be a safe space; that's a misunderstanding of the concept.

"Microaggressions" shouldn't be a controversial term either. There's certain ways people get treated that aren't super confrontational but still serve to put down others, to treat them as lesser-than. Misgendering a person you know to be trans, for example. Or people walking across the street, clutching their purse, when a black person gets near. Or campus security letting white students walk into a building without checking ID but suddenly needing the young latina to produce a campus ID. These things aren't often blatantly hateful, but they wear on the people who experience them. I'd be surprised if anyone here doubts that these little prejudices happen in day to day life. Microaggressions is simply the word that's been decided upon to categorize these behaviors.

What are you, 5?


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